2020 Retailers in trouble thread
Discussion
Saweep said:
jammy-git said:
snuffy said:
Robertj21a said:
60m ? - all kids getting £500 too ?
That was the proposal, yes. But £250 for kids I believe.egor110 said:
Are the jobs even out there , regardless of age ?
we don't hear much amount companies employing just people getting made redundant or people retiring and the company not replacing them.
There are a shedload of warehouse and similar jobs going round here. A lot of the temporary East European workers went home when they realised lockdown was coming, and now the warehouses (TK Maxx, H&M) are coming back on stream again with non-essential shops working, they're hiring again.we don't hear much amount companies employing just people getting made redundant or people retiring and the company not replacing them.
There are also two new warehouses about to come on line as well - one is DHL, not sure about the other.
anonymoususer said:
Somewhere in a parallel universe another version of England has a conservative government that is not trying to outdo the maddest of Mad labour policies and is managing the economy with a firm hand
I feel that. I voted for these f
kwits and I'm rather starting to wish I'd not.
snuffy said:
anonymoususer said:
Somewhere in a parallel universe another version of England has a conservative government that is not trying to outdo the maddest of Mad labour policies and is managing the economy with a firm hand
I feel that. I voted for these fkwits and I'm rather starting to wish I'd not.Planned profligacy from the outset with tens of billions pledged on ideas of zero value vs spending to avert a total economic disaster
Labour election policies were trite vote winning ideas like £50 billion to the pension women to get their votes or for ideological reasons. How does that compare with an extremely narrow subsidy for hospitality for a limited period of time on restricted days, an incentive for firms not to do redundancies that will at least stagger job losses over time so that there is ssome prospect of them entering the job market as it is starting to pick up or not at all potentially, or a cut in VAT to encourage consumer spending so that retailers do not have to shed jobs. Honestly.
jakesmith said:
What utter stupidity from both of you
Planned profligacy from the outset with tens of billions pledged on ideas of zero value vs spending to avert a total economic disaster
Labour election policies were trite vote winning ideas like £50 billion to the pension women to get their votes or for ideological reasons. How does that compare with an extremely narrow subsidy for hospitality for a limited period of time on restricted days, an incentive for firms not to do redundancies that will at least stagger job losses over time so that there is ssome prospect of them entering the job market as it is starting to pick up or not at all potentially, or a cut in VAT to encourage consumer spending so that retailers do not have to shed jobs. Honestly.
Just one slight problem with that; these policies will not avert total economic disaster. Planned profligacy from the outset with tens of billions pledged on ideas of zero value vs spending to avert a total economic disaster
Labour election policies were trite vote winning ideas like £50 billion to the pension women to get their votes or for ideological reasons. How does that compare with an extremely narrow subsidy for hospitality for a limited period of time on restricted days, an incentive for firms not to do redundancies that will at least stagger job losses over time so that there is ssome prospect of them entering the job market as it is starting to pick up or not at all potentially, or a cut in VAT to encourage consumer spending so that retailers do not have to shed jobs. Honestly.
Fear is what is causing total economic disaster, and that fear has not gone away because of mission creep in government policy.
jammy-git said:
I don't think Corbyn and his government would be managing the economy that much better, though I do think they'd be doing a much better job at handling the pandemic as a whole.
I do rue the fact, however, that Kier Starmer seems to have come along about 2 years too late!
Oh that's good for a laugh isn't it. A much better job you say. Luckily we don't have to find out and for that I am incredibly grateful. I do rue the fact, however, that Kier Starmer seems to have come along about 2 years too late!
I'd actually love to have seen Starmer manage the situation & see if he did any better. I wouldn't bet on it.
They were hardly nice clear easy choices to make throughout with perfect information and no balancing act to speak of between health ./ the economy. In fact I'm sure all the loud anti Boris crew on here would have done better themselves*
- with hindsight
I really don't care which colour of government gets the job and I also think it's pointless saying X would do a better job, because as you say, we'll never ever find out.
What I do know is that if I was in Boris' situation, I wouldn't have been going on national TV several weeks into the pandemic saying that I'd just been to a hospital, not worn any PPE and shaken everyone's hands.
It's been pretty clear which countries are handling the pandemic well and which aren't. The UK is in the latter camp.
What I do know is that if I was in Boris' situation, I wouldn't have been going on national TV several weeks into the pandemic saying that I'd just been to a hospital, not worn any PPE and shaken everyone's hands.
It's been pretty clear which countries are handling the pandemic well and which aren't. The UK is in the latter camp.
jammy-git said:
I really don't care which colour of government gets the job and I also think it's pointless saying X would do a better job, because as you say, we'll never ever find out.
What I do know is that if I was in Boris' situation, I wouldn't have been going on national TV several weeks into the pandemic saying that I'd just been to a hospital, not worn any PPE and shaken everyone's hands.
It's been pretty clear which countries are handling the pandemic well and which aren't. The UK is in the latter camp.
Thanks for that.What I do know is that if I was in Boris' situation, I wouldn't have been going on national TV several weeks into the pandemic saying that I'd just been to a hospital, not worn any PPE and shaken everyone's hands.
It's been pretty clear which countries are handling the pandemic well and which aren't. The UK is in the latter camp.
And which retailers in trouble would you like to discuss?
jakesmith said:
What utter stupidity from both of you
Planned profligacy from the outset with tens of billions pledged on ideas of zero value vs spending to avert a total economic disaster
Labour election policies were trite vote winning ideas like £50 billion to the pension women to get their votes or for ideological reasons. How does that compare with an extremely narrow subsidy for hospitality for a limited period of time on restricted days, an incentive for firms not to do redundancies that will at least stagger job losses over time so that there is ssome prospect of them entering the job market as it is starting to pick up or not at all potentially, or a cut in VAT to encourage consumer spending so that retailers do not have to shed jobs. Honestly.
My simple point was that this government are IMO not responding too well to the situation. I doubt that giving out discounts for people is going to encourage masses back out to eat out.Planned profligacy from the outset with tens of billions pledged on ideas of zero value vs spending to avert a total economic disaster
Labour election policies were trite vote winning ideas like £50 billion to the pension women to get their votes or for ideological reasons. How does that compare with an extremely narrow subsidy for hospitality for a limited period of time on restricted days, an incentive for firms not to do redundancies that will at least stagger job losses over time so that there is ssome prospect of them entering the job market as it is starting to pick up or not at all potentially, or a cut in VAT to encourage consumer spending so that retailers do not have to shed jobs. Honestly.
The green discount thingey will just go the same way as a few years back with all the bellers and door knockers with the free boiler free lofty stuff.the result will be lots of inferior s
te jobs being done and some crap boilers that last 3 years at most.This government are now into the magic money tree area and they are much less in a position to criticise any future opposition plans
jammy-git said:
What I do know is that if I was in Boris' situation, I wouldn't have been going on national TV several weeks into the pandemic saying that I'd just been to a hospital, not worn any PPE and shaken everyone's hands.
He claimed he'd shaken hands with a COVID patient, too. Whilst it would have been grimly amusing if that's how he caught it, it turns out it was another lie as there weren't any COVID patients in KGH at the time.You can tell when Boris lies. He opens his mouth and words come out.
anonymoususer said:
jakesmith said:
What utter stupidity from both of you
Planned profligacy from the outset with tens of billions pledged on ideas of zero value vs spending to avert a total economic disaster
Labour election policies were trite vote winning ideas like £50 billion to the pension women to get their votes or for ideological reasons. How does that compare with an extremely narrow subsidy for hospitality for a limited period of time on restricted days, an incentive for firms not to do redundancies that will at least stagger job losses over time so that there is ssome prospect of them entering the job market as it is starting to pick up or not at all potentially, or a cut in VAT to encourage consumer spending so that retailers do not have to shed jobs. Honestly.
My simple point was that this government are IMO not responding too well to the situation. I doubt that giving out discounts for people is going to encourage masses back out to eat out.Planned profligacy from the outset with tens of billions pledged on ideas of zero value vs spending to avert a total economic disaster
Labour election policies were trite vote winning ideas like £50 billion to the pension women to get their votes or for ideological reasons. How does that compare with an extremely narrow subsidy for hospitality for a limited period of time on restricted days, an incentive for firms not to do redundancies that will at least stagger job losses over time so that there is ssome prospect of them entering the job market as it is starting to pick up or not at all potentially, or a cut in VAT to encourage consumer spending so that retailers do not have to shed jobs. Honestly.
The green discount thingey will just go the same way as a few years back with all the bellers and door knockers with the free boiler free lofty stuff.the result will be lots of inferior s
te jobs being done and some crap boilers that last 3 years at most.This government are now into the magic money tree area and they are much less in a position to criticise any future opposition plans
Flumpo said:
You are right there is a lot of manipulation going on. At the beginning of lockdown the local Facebook groups were awash with ‘local farm’ veg and fruit boxes. I’m not sure where in Yorkshire they grow bananas, oranges or the out of season veg. But all from ‘local farmers’ and ‘support local’.
The mother in law brought some of her amazing local farm eggs round. I wasn’t impressed and had a look at the box. The code showed they were those furnished cage eggs or whatever the latest fluffy name is. She outright still refuses to believe they are not From wild running, pampered birds as they are from the farm shop.
There is a farm shop near me that only sells 3 types of veg and it’s badly packed. So I give them the benefit of the doubt. Not sure they particularly advertise were their meat is from though. But I’ve never seen any animals in the fields outside.
I saw "New Cheshire Potatos, picked from our field just behind the van" at a 'farm stall' in a lay-bye on the A580 at lunchtime. As far as I am aware, the "East Lancs Road" as the A580 is known, might not be in Cheshire. Also, no way I'd eat anything grown on a Lowton Slag Heap / ex landfill site.The mother in law brought some of her amazing local farm eggs round. I wasn’t impressed and had a look at the box. The code showed they were those furnished cage eggs or whatever the latest fluffy name is. She outright still refuses to believe they are not From wild running, pampered birds as they are from the farm shop.
There is a farm shop near me that only sells 3 types of veg and it’s badly packed. So I give them the benefit of the doubt. Not sure they particularly advertise were their meat is from though. But I’ve never seen any animals in the fields outside.
At least our farm shop does have some "UK packaged pork". I'd hate for local animals to be sent abroad to be killed and packages and then sent back here.
jakesmith said:
Well said. Now, which retailers would you say are in trouble, and, apart from 'The Torys', what is the cause etc
Most bricks and mortar retailers (apart from essential ones like supermarkets) are struggling unless they have a good online presence.The reason for that is many people still don't want to mix with crowds of others.
The reason for that is that 100-odd people a day are still dying from COVID.
The reason for that is ... ah damn,
sim72 said:
jakesmith said:
Well said. Now, which retailers would you say are in trouble, and, apart from 'The Torys', what is the cause etc
Most bricks and mortar retailers (apart from essential ones like supermarkets) are struggling unless they have a good online presence.The reason for that is many people still don't want to mix with crowds of others.
The reason for that is that 100-odd people a day are still dying from COVID.
The reason for that is ... ah damn,
There's no such thing as a free market in Europe; there are regulated markets. When regulated markets fail (as the UK retail environment has assuredly failed), it is as much a failure of regulation as of anything else.The "magic of property" is the underlying problem across the board; it has been "the gift that kept on giving" as far as the UK economy is concerned, almost entirely disconnected from reality. Just see all the bleating about pensions being impacted if we dare to imagine retail rents dropping down to sensible levels (sensible being defined as a level sufficient to allow a retailer to make a decent profit). The entire thing is broken; successive administrations just keep on trying to come up with new "elastoplast" fixes.
</rant> sorry
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