To BONG or not to BONG, that is the question

[eldar]

It appears we are unable to mark the start of the implementation of Brexit without political interference, bickering, farce and indecision.

Inspires confidence in our esteemed leaders and negotiators.

[Dont like rolls]

eldar said:

It appears we are unable to mark the start of the implementation of Brexit without political interference, bickering, farce and indecision.

Inspires confidence in our esteemed leaders and negotiators.

Who is to blame, Keep-Moaners ?

[eldar]

Dont like rolls said:

Who is to blame, Keep-Moaners ?

Don’t care, it’s great comedy. Carry on Brexit.

https://youtu.be/h6BJJe9JV_A

[Pan Pan Pan]

Brooking10 said:

Pan Pan Pan said:

If you could just provide evidence that the 2016 referendum was not the greatest voter turn out in UK political history, that would be nice. Just you saying `No it wasn't' doesn't really cut it.

Allow me

https://fullfact.org/europe/eu-referendum-not-larg...

Thank you I stand corrected.
The voter turnout for the 1992 general election was 72.3% of the electorate eligible to vote, whilst in 2016 it was only 72 .2 % of the electorate.
Nevertheless The leave vote won by well over 1 million votes, so it turned out alright in the end didn't it!

[crankedup]

Back to the bong, I shall be investing in. few fireworks, I do have a bottle or two just begging to be opened. Low key just to say I’ve been there.

[Murph7355]

MDMetal said:

? Seriously? if the reason is "we don't want to pay for it" then crowdfunding is 100% sensible. The reason here is nothing to do with cost, those in charge are clearly not happy to do it even if it was free. If cost is the only blocking issue then surely the public donating is a great idea?

I'm not sure it is.

Frankly I'm also not sure the amount can be justified for what it will give...

Is there a limit to what should/could be crowd funded? Does that not, for example, start to alter who sets the priority agenda?

I'm all for new ways of doing things, but I think it often pays to think through things more fully rather than reacting on emotion (unless buying cars of course ).

[ATG]

s2art said:

ATG said:

The paranoid defeatism of the leavers who claim that the UK was held back, oppressed and in some kind of brow-beaten depression tells us far more about them than it tells us about the UK. I wonder what they'll blame next once the EU bogeyman is no longer a viable scapegoat for their own sense of grievance and inadequacy?

Dont worry, blame on the EU may last for a long time. Just look at how long certain people consider Mrs Thatcher.

Good point

[Stay in Bed Instead]

crankedup said:

Back to the bong, I shall be investing in. few fireworks, I do have a bottle or two just begging to be opened. Low key just to say I’ve been there.

No fireworks after 11 pm though.

[JagLover]

Murph7355 said:

MDMetal said:

? Seriously? if the reason is "we don't want to pay for it" then crowdfunding is 100% sensible. The reason here is nothing to do with cost, those in charge are clearly not happy to do it even if it was free. If cost is the only blocking issue then surely the public donating is a great idea?

I'm not sure it is.

Frankly I'm also not sure the amount can be justified for what it will give...

Is there a limit to what should/could be crowd funded? Does that not, for example, start to alter who sets the priority agenda?

I'm all for new ways of doing things, but I think it often pays to think through things more fully rather than reacting on emotion (unless buying cars of course ).

Hospitals already sometimes accept donations for equipment so it is not as if there isn't already examples of state activities that are funded through private donations. You also have a similar situation with academy schools.

I am not bothered either way but if people want to pay the true costs privately then let them get on with it in my view. The only reason why the authorities wouldn't is if they wanted to make clear they still regard leavers as vermin, no matter what the result at the ballot box.

[Dont like rolls]

ATG said:

s2art said:

ATG said:

The paranoid defeatism of the leavers who claim that the UK was held back, oppressed and in some kind of brow-beaten depression tells us far more about them than it tells us about the UK. I wonder what they'll blame next once the EU bogeyman is no longer a viable scapegoat for their own sense of grievance and inadequacy?

Dont worry, blame on the EU may last for a long time. Just look at how long certain people consider Mrs Thatcher.

Good point

Not really when you consider the "types" who still go on about Maggie in a negative light.

[dai1983]

Dont like rolls said:

ATG said:

s2art said:

ATG said:

The paranoid defeatism of the leavers who claim that the UK was held back, oppressed and in some kind of brow-beaten depression tells us far more about them than it tells us about the UK. I wonder what they'll blame next once the EU bogeyman is no longer a viable scapegoat for their own sense of grievance and inadequacy?

Dont worry, blame on the EU may last for a long time. Just look at how long certain people consider Mrs Thatcher.

Good point

Not really when you consider the "types" who still go on about Maggie in a negative light.

Working class people from ex mining communities?

[Dont like rolls]

dai1983 said:

Working class people from ex mining communities?

Labour middle class politicians pretending to be representative of them who constantly drip on about Maggie because everything they ever do/have done is a failure and they need to blame/divide ?

[dai1983]

Dont like rolls said:

Labour middle class politicians pretending to be representative of them who constantly drip on about Maggie because everything they ever do/have done is a failure and they need to blame/divide ?

Got any examples with quotes as I’ve seen plenty of mine having grown up in the South Wales valleys. I could walk into any other local pubs and have an anti Maggie chat with loads of people and their young adult kids.

Anything from what you describe within the last couple of years?

Edited by dai1983 on Saturday 18th January 08:43

[ATG]

Dont like rolls said:

ATG said:

s2art said:

ATG said:

The paranoid defeatism of the leavers who claim that the UK was held back, oppressed and in some kind of brow-beaten depression tells us far more about them than it tells us about the UK. I wonder what they'll blame next once the EU bogeyman is no longer a viable scapegoat for their own sense of grievance and inadequacy?

Dont worry, blame on the EU may last for a long time. Just look at how long certain people consider Mrs Thatcher.

Good point

Not really when you consider the "types" who still go on about Maggie in a negative light.

I really don't think you've thought that through.

[Dont like rolls]

why ?

[bitchstewie]

In fairness to him I think Boris has just about got the balance right on this one.

The idea of some massive celebration in Parliament Square with Big Ben chiming and fireworks going off wouldn't be the best look.

[Zirconia]

Boris could have kept mum on the idea but Boris is Boris (and Cummings probably having a giggle). Now looks like a countdown clock projected on No10 and a special speech from Boris. No change there.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-51149538

Meaning someone with a loud hailer in the temporary flat roof pub shouting "BONG!"

[Dont like rolls]

Zirconia said:

Meaning someone with a loud hailer in the temporary flat roof pub shouting "BONG!"

I know just the guy for the Job !

[Digga]

Zirconia said:

Boris could have kept mum on the idea but Boris is Boris (and Cummings probably having a giggle). Now looks like a countdown clock projected on No10 and a special speech from Boris. No change there.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-51149538

Meaning someone with a loud hailer in the temporary flat roof pub shouting "BONG!"

They are keeping the main surprise well under wraps though.

Project Bazalgette will turn the channel tunnel into an enormous, one way, sewer at midnight. Into it will be pumped all of the UK's floodwaters and waste. The fountain in Calais will be visible from the White Cliffs.

You heard it here first.

[DeepEnd]

Digga said:

They are keeping the main surprise well under wraps though.

Project Bazalgette will turn the channel tunnel into an enormous, one way, sewer at midnight. Into it will be pumped all of the UK's floodwaters and waste. The fountain in Calais will be visible from the White Cliffs.

You heard it here first.

The Big Ben bong thing has really exposed the "feelings" at play here has it not?

It's a fitting epitaph for the whole brexit idea.

- waste of money
- pointless, no benefit to anyone's lives or the nation (in fact probably detrimental - imagine any Europeans reading your sewer idea)
- massively important to some for irrational reasons & pursued doggedly with an almost religious fervour despite any cogent arguments / facts
- government reluctantly goes along with it sort of to keep the followers happy whilst wondering "How the fck are we going to keep doing things sensibly, and deal with this nonsense at the same time?"