To BONG or not to BONG, that is the question

To BONG or not to BONG, that is the question

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JuanCarlosFandango

7,800 posts

71 months

Sunday 19th January 2020
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So are you here to educate us or just sneer?

I would say the ludicrous hyperbole of the radical remainers over the last few years has made Stockholm Syndrome look like a curious quirk and the term EUSSR seem more relevant than ever.

https://www.nytimes.com/1990/01/12/world/upheaval-...

Interesting reading

anonymous-user

54 months

Sunday 19th January 2020
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JuanCarlosFandango said:
So are you here to educate us or just sneer?

I would say the ludicrous hyperbole of the radical remainers over the last few years has made Stockholm Syndrome look like a curious quirk and the term EUSSR seem more relevant than ever.

https://www.nytimes.com/1990/01/12/world/upheaval-...

Interesting reading
I’m here for neither and / or whatever you choose

Yep it is an interesting read.

Spent much time in Lithuania ?









Dont like rolls

Original Poster:

3,798 posts

54 months

Sunday 19th January 2020
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Brooking10 said:
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Rude "person" keeps trolling people by being rude, change the record.


anonymous-user

54 months

Sunday 19th January 2020
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Dont like rolls said:
Rude "person" keeps trolling people by being rude, change the record.
Give it up Flatty or whomever you were

Your tedious attempts to try and provoke a transgression per the recently stated rules are pathetically transparent and the very essence of trolling.

Have you spent much time in Lithuania ? What’s your view on how the former Soviet states fared post the fall ?



JuanCarlosFandango

7,800 posts

71 months

Sunday 19th January 2020
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Brooking10 said:
I’m here for neither and / or whatever you choose

Yep it is an interesting read.

Spent much time in Lithuania ?
Never set foot there.


Dont like rolls

Original Poster:

3,798 posts

54 months

Sunday 19th January 2020
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Brooking10 said:
Give it up Flatty or whomever you were

Your tedious attempts to try and provoke a transgression per the recently stated rules are pathetically transparent and the very essence of trolling.

Have you spent much time in Lithuania ? What’s your view on how the former Soviet states fared post the fall ?
Just calling out your endlessly tedious, repetitive insulting and swearing, it is very very boring.

As for your question, why on earth do you think anybody would wish to converse with you at all ? You will just come back with "idiot, stupid or "

Grow up ffs and try to be normal.



Edited by Dont like rolls on Sunday 19th January 19:08

DeepEnd

4,240 posts

66 months

Sunday 19th January 2020
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JuanCarlosFandango said:
So are you here to educate us or just sneer?

I would say the ludicrous hyperbole of the radical remainers over the last few years has made Stockholm Syndrome look like a curious quirk and the term EUSSR seem more relevant than ever.

https://www.nytimes.com/1990/01/12/world/upheaval-...

Interesting reading
Crikey, you really think it's actually like the USSR.

JuanCarlosFandango

7,800 posts

71 months

Sunday 19th January 2020
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DeepEnd said:
Crikey, you really think it's actually like the USSR.

In the ways mentioned by Bukowski. You know better?

anonymous-user

54 months

Sunday 19th January 2020
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JuanCarlosFandango said:
Never set foot there.
It’s a fascinating place

I spent three years working there as an advisor to the Central Bank when a Russian Oligarch plundered the largest indigenous bank which he had been using as a personal piggy bank and fled, ultimately, and with suspected state support, to Moscow defying a UK extradition order and international AW.

The country was on the verge of economic collapse as a result. As my pal Stongle will tell you such events don’t come along that often but when they do they are truly “stare into the abyss moments”. The EU and ECB played a pivotal role in ensuring many ordinary Lithuanian citizens (more than 1 in 3) didn’t lose their money and in putting the economy back on the rails.

None of that is a reason to say “oh ok then we shouldn’t leave the EU” but it is, in my experience, a strong reason as to why those states are best off distancing themselves from Soviet/former influence and why the EU proved a safe(r) haven.


Edited by anonymous-user on Sunday 19th January 20:02

Stay in Bed Instead

22,362 posts

157 months

Monday 20th January 2020
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crankedup said:
Getting back to the thread subject, my fireworks are two packs of multi shot cakes and four monster rockets.The display will only last for two minutes so start at 10.59pm and risk prosecution for breaking the law ignoring the 11.00pm firework curfew hehe Yes I know, there’s still rebellion in the old fart smile Bottle of champ’s and beers with the music from Pet Shop Boys (not live obviously;)
Go West.
Have a sneaking feeling. that I’m the only brexiteer in our road! anyhow inviting brexiteer pals and family.
Not my daughter and hubby though as they were staunch remainers and I don’t want to offend them
so it’s a little awkwood.

As for the bongs, must have a recording of Jules Holland’s Hootenanny somewhere and I can edit down the bonging number. We will not fly the Union flag just in case Emily four bellies is around, she doesn’t like that sought of thing apparently.
Start as you mean to go on huh, break the law for your own self gratification.

Wont somebody think of the children and animals.

biggrin

Digga

40,329 posts

283 months

Monday 20th January 2020
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Brooking10 said:
Digga said:
Worked out nicely for Greece hasn't it?

Sure, they are culpable on many levels, but that was a train wreck even I could see happening, right from the heady days of 'free money' just after the millennium. The arc was clear, everyone within the EU shares responsibility for that stupidity.

The enormous danger within top-down regimes is groupthink. Watching the (excellent) Chernobyl series over Xmas really reminded me of this effect. Concentration of power is very dangerous.
Greece is not reflective of Soviet era thinking.

If anything it’s reflective of unrestrained opportunistic capitalism.
I have family living there, I can assure you, there's nothing laissez faire about setting up and running an SME in Greece.

crankedup

25,764 posts

243 months

Monday 20th January 2020
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Stay in Bed Instead said:
crankedup said:
Getting back to the thread subject, my fireworks are two packs of multi shot cakes and four monster rockets.The display will only last for two minutes so start at 10.59pm and risk prosecution for breaking the law ignoring the 11.00pm firework curfew hehe Yes I know, there’s still rebellion in the old fart smile Bottle of champ’s and beers with the music from Pet Shop Boys (not live obviously;)
Go West.
Have a sneaking feeling. that I’m the only brexiteer in our road! anyhow inviting brexiteer pals and family.
Not my daughter and hubby though as they were staunch remainers and I don’t want to offend them
so it’s a little awkwood.

As for the bongs, must have a recording of Jules Holland’s Hootenanny somewhere and I can edit down the bonging number. We will not fly the Union flag just in case Emily four bellies is around, she doesn’t like that sought of thing apparently.
Start as you mean to go on huh, break the law for your own self gratification.

Wont somebody think of the children and animals.

biggrin
Not just my enjoyment, friends and family are joining my little ‘knees up’. Do you think the police will arrest us all, or perhaps just a telling off ?

anonymous-user

54 months

Monday 20th January 2020
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Digga said:
Brooking10 said:
Digga said:
Worked out nicely for Greece hasn't it?

Sure, they are culpable on many levels, but that was a train wreck even I could see happening, right from the heady days of 'free money' just after the millennium. The arc was clear, everyone within the EU shares responsibility for that stupidity.

The enormous danger within top-down regimes is groupthink. Watching the (excellent) Chernobyl series over Xmas really reminded me of this effect. Concentration of power is very dangerous.
Greece is not reflective of Soviet era thinking.

If anything it’s reflective of unrestrained opportunistic capitalism.
I have family living there, I can assure you, there's nothing laissez faire about setting up and running an SME in Greece.
I don’t doubt that and I think we are talking at cross purposes

I was referring to how the international banks exploited Greece’s feckless behaviour when the inevitable meltdown came.

Digga

40,329 posts

283 months

Monday 20th January 2020
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Brooking10 said:
Digga said:
Brooking10 said:
Digga said:
Worked out nicely for Greece hasn't it?

Sure, they are culpable on many levels, but that was a train wreck even I could see happening, right from the heady days of 'free money' just after the millennium. The arc was clear, everyone within the EU shares responsibility for that stupidity.

The enormous danger within top-down regimes is groupthink. Watching the (excellent) Chernobyl series over Xmas really reminded me of this effect. Concentration of power is very dangerous.
Greece is not reflective of Soviet era thinking.

If anything it’s reflective of unrestrained opportunistic capitalism.
I have family living there, I can assure you, there's nothing laissez faire about setting up and running an SME in Greece.
I don’t doubt that and I think we are talking at cross purposes

I was referring to how the international banks exploited Greece’s feckless behaviour when the inevitable meltdown came.
The meltdown was inevitable because no one took the steps to prepare the Greek economy, either fiscally, or commercially, for success. anyone could have seen the flaws, had they the least curiosity to investigate.

anonymous-user

54 months

Monday 20th January 2020
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Digga said:
The meltdown was inevitable because no one took the steps to prepare the Greek economy, either fiscally, or commercially, for success. anyone could have seen the flaws, had they the least curiosity to investigate.
I’m not sure what point you are trying to make and why it is any way reflective of a Soviet style behaviour on behalf of the EU.

Greece was on everybody’s watchlist for ages. It was not a surprise that came about because nobody investigated.



Edited by anonymous-user on Monday 20th January 12:00

Dont like rolls

Original Poster:

3,798 posts

54 months

Monday 20th January 2020
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Brooking10 said:
I’m not sure what point you are trying to make and why it is any way reflective of a Soviet style behaviour on behalf of the EU.

Greece was on everybody’s watchlist for ages. It was t a surprise that cane about because nobody investigated.
It is the EU "political structure" that is close to the Soviet style. Concentrate power at the top, diminish national government to increasingly minor choices etc etc.

anonymous-user

54 months

Monday 20th January 2020
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Dont like rolls said:
It is the EU "political structure" that is close to the Soviet style. Concentrate power at the top, diminish national government to increasingly minor choices etc etc.
What meaningful examples would you give ?

Any with specific reference to how they have curtailed your own freedoms, beliefs or opportunity ?


Digga

40,329 posts

283 months

Monday 20th January 2020
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Brooking10 said:
Digga said:
The meltdown was inevitable because no one took the steps to prepare the Greek economy, either fiscally, or commercially, for success. anyone could have seen the flaws, had they the least curiosity to investigate.
I’m not sure what point you are trying to make and why it is any way reflective of a Soviet style behaviour on behalf of the EU.

Greece was on everybody’s watchlist for ages. It was not a surprise that came about because nobody investigated.
One size fits all, fk all.

That's the approach from the EU. The whole idea of hoovering up nations to add to their dominion, with no regard to the actual implications to those nations is very cynical.

anonymous-user

54 months

Monday 20th January 2020
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Digga said:
One size fits all, fk all.

That's the approach from the EU. The whole idea of hoovering up nations to add to their dominion, with no regard to the actual implications to those nations is very cynical.
It’s a point of view .....

It’s not one I agree with entirely

No country has been forced to join the EU by the EU so the underlying suggestion of annexation is hyperbole.

Indeed one country, as well we know has unilaterally decided to exit the model.





Edited by anonymous-user on Monday 20th January 12:29

gooner1

10,223 posts

179 months

Monday 20th January 2020
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Re Greece, how did it manage to pass Goldman Sachs pre EU joining accountancy?