To BONG or not to BONG, that is the question

[gooner1]

Digga said:

Brooking10 said:

Digga said:

Brooking10 said:

gooner1 said:

Re Greece, how did it manage to pass Goldman Sachs pre EU joining accountancy?

Greece’s entry in 1981 was likely swung by strategic as opposed to economic factors given its proximity to the Balkans.

Debt warehousing. The Greeks were by no means the only ones playing this game, even the Germans dabbled in it too.

In 1981 ??????!!!!!

Sorry, no, both later, prior to the Euro. Both involved Goldman's.

My apologies, my post should have read Euro joining not EU joining.
Were GS even involved in the latter?

[Dont like rolls]

Brooking10 said:

I’m going disguised as Don’t Look Rolls - you’ll recognise me as I’ll change outfits and ask you to call me by a different name on several occasions throughout the evening”s festivities - but only because I want a look at Crankie’s very nice Fiat Coupe

Will you get in if you call everybody there a ?

[anonymous-user]

Dont like rolls said:

Will you get in if you call everybody there a ?

You have been using that word an awful lot recently.

My apologies for spelling your name wrong, autocorrect really is a **** sometimes

[anonymous-user]

gooner1 said:

My apologies, my post should have read Euro joining not EU joining.
Were GS even involved in the latter?

Goldman’s were very much involved in Greece become an EZ member.

They didn’t cover themselves in glory........

[Dont like rolls]

Brooking10 said:

You have been using that word an awful lot recently.

My apologies for spelling your name wrong, autocorrect really is a **** sometimes

I note you have never retracted your use of it, just making sure you remember being so rude and petulant.

[anonymous-user]

Dont like rolls said:

I note you have never retracted your use of it, just making sure you remember being so rude and petulant.

Ok chief - keep on keeping on with the bait.

Chatting about the EU, global economics and indeed Crankie’s prospective shindig is immeasurably more interesting though.

[Digga]

Brooking10 said:

gooner1 said:

My apologies, my post should have read Euro joining not EU joining.
Were GS even involved in the latter?

Goldman’s were very much involved in Greece become an EZ member.

They didn’t cover themselves in glory........

And they also provided a little bit of opaque assistance to Germany too.

Hence, why there is understandable concern at the apparent interchangability of roles between ECB, IMF and Goldman.

[crankedup]

Brooking10 said:

crankedup said:

Bring a bottle, remainers are not welcome, unless they promise not to moan
Fireworks, short time display but packed with colour and explosions, start 10.59pm, party ends when drinks run out.


Coco is pre order only.

I’m going disguised as Don’t Like Rolls - you’ll recognise me as I’ll change outfits and ask you to call me by a different name on several occasions throughout the evening”s festivities - but only because I want a look at Crankie’s very nice Fiat Coupe

Edited by Brooking10 on Monday 20th January 16:20

only if I get to dribble and drool of your mclaren, I promise to mop up afterwards.

No worries on the name(s) likely I will be slightly ‘tanked up’

[anonymous-user]

Digga said:

And they also provided a little bit of opaque assistance to Germany too.

Hence, why there is understandable concern at the apparent interchangability of roles between ECB, IMF and Goldman.

Granted GS is few people’s idea of a transparent corporate citizen

[amusingduck]

Brooking10 said:

gooner1 said:

My apologies, my post should have read Euro joining not EU joining.
Were GS even involved in the latter?

Goldman’s were very much involved in Greece become an EZ member.

They didn’t cover themselves in glory........

Seems like they did an absolutely fantastic job to me? Mission accomplished, it was legal, and they made millions to boot. What more could you ask for?

[Rewe]

crankedup said:

Brooking10 said:

crankedup said:

Bring a bottle, remainers are not welcome, unless they promise not to moan
Fireworks, short time display but packed with colour and explosions, start 10.59pm, party ends when drinks run out.


Coco is pre order only.

I’m going disguised as Don’t Like Rolls - you’ll recognise me as I’ll change outfits and ask you to call me by a different name on several occasions throughout the evening”s festivities - but only because I want a look at Crankie’s very nice Fiat Coupe

Edited by Brooking10 on Monday 20th January 16:20

only if I get to dribble and drool of your mclaren, I promise to mop up afterwards.

No worries on the name(s) likely I will be slightly ‘tanked up’

Off topic:
You have a McLaren now? Crikey, you have done well for yourself. It seems like only yesterday that you had a Brera which didn’t like being filled up!

Moderately back on topic:
One of our big challenges now is going to be to heal as a nation (and repair the rifts with Europe). What message would we advise Boris to convey?

[anonymous-user]

Rewe said:

Off topic:
You have a McLaren now? Crikey, you have done well for yourself. It seems like only yesterday that you had a Brera which didn’t like being filled up!

Moderately back on topic:
One of our big challenges now is going to be to heal as a nation (and repair the rifts with Europe). What message would we advise Boris to convey?

Off topic reply - you have a cracking memory ! The Brera was 2007 !! Dreadful car, but strangely likeable too.

On topic reply - I do think he needs to use slightly less bombast and a little more on the language of cohesion.

I happen to think he is most definitely moving on in that regard and is certainly forward looking as opposed to soaking in victory and it’s some of our chums on here are laggards in the whole “we won, suck it up” stakes.

[DeepEnd]

Brooking10 said:

What meaningful examples would you give ?

Any with specific reference to how they have curtailed your own freedoms, beliefs or opportunity ?

The EU made him drive a Lada - there is no wonder he is so angry at everything.

[JuanCarlosFandango]

Brooking10 said:

Your para two is exactly my point

The USSR exacted a terrible price upon almost all of the countries it annexed. A price which when compared to the EUSSR claim is at best hyperbole.

The EU does indeed exhibit a degree of inflexibility and yet we, and others, managed for years to cut side deals and pick and choose certain aspects. Now of course we are going our own and way and others may follow in time.

It’s a comparison I understand but don’t endorse.

Lastly my Lithuania story was in direct rebuttal to the suggestion that that country specifically, and others more generally, might have been better remaining under the control of a post Glasnost / Perestroika Russia as opposed to the EU.

Ok.

Not something I suggested (Lithuania being better off under Russian rule) so I must have misread it.

What I would say is that getting into a power game between Russia and Germany is unlikely to be in Britain's interests. It has been going on a long time and won't go away easily.

As the EU becomes ever more of a political entity it can't help but do the bidding of its largest and most powerful member to some degree and it will draw us in.

What I would like to see from "Europe" is a far looser coalition, more of a set of agreements that would enable countries like Lithuania to be Lithuanian. They could cover trade, travel, defence etc but without being so all encompassing and letting countries opt out of much more, more easily.

Something that was simply never on offer from the Treaty of Rome onwards when it became a new nation.

[Pan Pan Pan]

Brooking10 said:

Pan Pan Pan said:

Forgive me I am a mere punter on a motoring forum, and I don't know the answer to that question.
Please enlighten me. What do you think should have happened to the ex soviet basket case economies, and who do you think should have paid for what happened to them,
Why, when it was the UK which allowed the EU and a free Europe to exist now, and has already paid much in doing so, .do you feel the UK should pay so much towards other countries, many of whom do not have, and never have had the UK`s interests at heart?.

Before we go any further could you elaborate on this gem ?

“It was the UK which allowed the EU and a free Europe to exist now”

I suggest you go away and do as much reading as you can about WW2, and while you are at it, perhaps you might explain how the US was going launch a D-Day from the Eastern seaboard of the United States. Perhaps you too have the memory of a goldfish?

[Dont like rolls]

Dont like rolls said:

Pan Pan Pan said:

I suggest you go away and do as much reading as you can about WW2, and while you are at it, perhaps you might explain how the US was going launch a D-Day from the Eastern seaboard of the United States. Perhaps you too have the memory of a goldfish?

That is what TORCH was about, "Just in case" and relatively easy extraction if it went Tits up

(With the added benefit of splitting the German defences in the West if OVERLORD worked out Ok or Dragging reserves away to allow it to work)

Edited by Dont like rolls on Monday 20th January 19:42

[anonymous-user]

Pan Pan Pan said:

I suggest you go away and do as much reading as you can about WW2, and while you are at it, perhaps you might explain how the US was going launch a D-Day from the Eastern seaboard of the United States. Perhaps you too have the memory of a goldfish?

I will confess I can’t actually remember 1944 despite being fully cognisant of what happened in WW2.

This is entirely down to the fact that I wasn’t born then.

What was it like ?

[Pan Pan Pan]

Brooking10 said:

Pan Pan Pan said:

I suggest you go away and do as much reading as you can about WW2, and while you are at it, perhaps you might explain how the US was going launch a D-Day from the Eastern seaboard of the United States. Perhaps you too have the memory of a goldfish?

I will confess I can’t actually remember 1944 despite being fully cognisant of what happened in WW2.

This is entirely down to the fact that I wasn’t born then.

What was it like ?

It wasn't very nice, and several of my family died in the blitz, and the subsequent V2 rocket attacks on London, My Dad was shot down twice in the war, and luckily for me and my siblings survived both incidents.
But you are a poor dear. I bet your mum was angry with your school, when you came home with another failed history exam report, saying it was unfair and not your fault because they kept asking you questions about things that happened before you were born!

[DeepEnd]

Pan Pan Pan said:

I suggest you go away and do as much reading as you can about WW2, and while you are at it, perhaps you might explain how the US was going launch a D-Day from the Eastern seaboard of the United States. Perhaps you too have the memory of a goldfish?

You might want to read up on Operation Baytown, Avalanche and Dragoon.

[Pan Pan Pan]

DeepEnd said:

Pan Pan Pan said:

I suggest you go away and do as much reading as you can about WW2, and while you are at it, perhaps you might explain how the US was going launch a D-Day from the Eastern seaboard of the United States. Perhaps you too have the memory of a goldfish?

You might want to read up on Operation Baytown, Avalanche and Dragoon.

You might want to explain how the US was going to be able to launch a successful D-Day from the Eastern seaboard of the United States.