To BONG or not to BONG, that is the question
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Dont like rolls said:
Dont like rolls said:
citizensm1th said:
some on here would have us believe the EU is the third reich/ussr which kind of makes all the effort of ww2 a bit silly really.
almost as silly as what ifs about events 70 years ago
Some always push to the extreme example to gain traction (in their heads).almost as silly as what ifs about events 70 years ago
The accusations is from me (not worth much other than my single vote) is that the structure of a centralised Eu system is developing towards (has already) Federation with a pyramid type structure. So yes much like that of the Soviet union. Add to that the more active "Socialist" political parties active and in power in many countries within the Eu and the stench becomes to much for many, if it smells like a pig now, it will be a pig later.
Dont like rolls said:
catweasle said:
Dont like rolls said:
We do, we know you know and you really should know that we know and that you know
ah yeh but we don't know what we don't know do we?Do you have a spare main brain fuse I can borrow ? One of mine has got a dry joint.
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Pan Pan Pan said:
ATG said:
Pan Pan Pan said:
OK, I will ask the question again. With the technology that was available at the time, how was the US goin .... Blah ... successful attack on Nazi controlled Europe, from the Eastern Seaboard of the United States?
So what? What has that got to do with the topic being discussed?How about if Matilda had whooped Stephen's arse good and proper? Would that change whether temporarily rebuilding a floor in a building under restoration in order to ring a bell to mark an occasion that damn nearly half the country think is an act of idiocy at a cost of a few 100k is ... or is, perhaps, not ... a brilliant idea?
Justice and democracy prevail who could ask for more than that?
Pan Pan Pan said:
The problem is that you don't seem to appreciate the pivotal nature of the UK in the last war. You don't seem to realize that if it had not been for the UK The EU would not even exist now. You don't seem to realize that what happened years ago has a direct effect on what can, and does happen now. Just because something happened 70 odd years ago does not mean it is no longer relevant today.
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Listen, I f.
kING do...hint: Read my POSTS above.
I understand more than you do and I understand that protective commitment is still maintained ffs.
NATO is basically the ALLIES with the liberated continental countries sprinkled about a bit (if any of their equipment worked, other than the French)
Pan Pan Pan said:
The problem is that you don't seem to appreciate the pivotal nature of the UK in the last war. You don't seem to realize that if it had not been for the UK The EU would not even exist now. You don't seem to realize that what happened years ago has a direct effect on what can, and does happen now. Just because something happened 70 odd years ago does not mean it is no longer relevant today.
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So it's our fault the EU exists..
Damn ....
So now there's a pro EU banner crowdfund but we can't have a completely (neutral I assume big ben isn't going to bong out Morse code?!) crowd fund being acted out? I don't seek out bias but sometimes you look around and just think "wtf".
PS like many I'd be find with a pro Europe banner just not a pro EU one.
PS like many I'd be find with a pro Europe banner just not a pro EU one.
MDMetal said:
So now there's a pro EU banner crowdfund but we can't have a completely (neutral I assume big ben isn't going to bong out Morse code?!) crowd fund being acted out? I don't seek out bias but sometimes you look around and just think "wtf".
PS like many I'd be find with a pro Europe banner just not a pro EU one.
I'm not bothered whether the bell rings one way or the other, in principle. But having seen the pictures of the bell as it is you can see that to ring the bell it needs someone to shuffle along a beam, undo some bolts and slide a couple of beams out of the way so the bell can swing. Then it needs a pulley rigging to the temporary structures that are already there.PS like many I'd be find with a pro Europe banner just not a pro EU one.
The idea that it costs half a million quid and a new floor first is utter rubbish. It's this attitude I'd like to see defeated if that means ringing the bell, then I'd like the bell to ring.
paulrockliffe said:
I'm not bothered whether the bell rings one way or the other, in principle. But having seen the pictures of the bell as it is you can see that to ring the bell it needs someone to shuffle along a beam, undo some bolts and slide a couple of beams out of the way so the bell can swing. Then it needs a pulley rigging to the temporary structures that are already there.
The idea that it costs half a million quid and a new floor first is utter rubbish. It's this attitude I'd like to see defeated if that means ringing the bell, then I'd like the bell to ring.
How much would it cost to reinstate the bell then return the works to the project?The idea that it costs half a million quid and a new floor first is utter rubbish. It's this attitude I'd like to see defeated if that means ringing the bell, then I'd like the bell to ring.
Zirconia said:
How much would it cost to reinstate the bell then return the works to the project?
Up to 400k. Already covered. The contract apparently allowed for temp reinstatement for 3x annual events. Not this. So you're then into post contract negotiation for delays. Which always cost.
It's not worth getting pissy about IMO (an arch Leaver, I guess).
Edited to add "up to". I believe the estimate for everything was 320k-500k...
Zirconia said:
paulrockliffe said:
I'm not bothered whether the bell rings one way or the other, in principle. But having seen the pictures of the bell as it is you can see that to ring the bell it needs someone to shuffle along a beam, undo some bolts and slide a couple of beams out of the way so the bell can swing. Then it needs a pulley rigging to the temporary structures that are already there.
The idea that it costs half a million quid and a new floor first is utter rubbish. It's this attitude I'd like to see defeated if that means ringing the bell, then I'd like the bell to ring.
How much would it cost to reinstate the bell then return the works to the project?The idea that it costs half a million quid and a new floor first is utter rubbish. It's this attitude I'd like to see defeated if that means ringing the bell, then I'd like the bell to ring.
Zirconia said:
paulrockliffe said:
I'm not bothered whether the bell rings one way or the other, in principle. But having seen the pictures of the bell as it is you can see that to ring the bell it needs someone to shuffle along a beam, undo some bolts and slide a couple of beams out of the way so the bell can swing. Then it needs a pulley rigging to the temporary structures that are already there.
The idea that it costs half a million quid and a new floor first is utter rubbish. It's this attitude I'd like to see defeated if that means ringing the bell, then I'd like the bell to ring.
How much would it cost to reinstate the bell then return the works to the project?The idea that it costs half a million quid and a new floor first is utter rubbish. It's this attitude I'd like to see defeated if that means ringing the bell, then I'd like the bell to ring.
How much would it cost to remove some temporary scaffold after dropping the clapper back out and to slide the beams back under the bell? f
k all.Murph7355 said:
Up to 400k. Already covered.
The contract apparently allowed for temp reinstatement for 3x annual events. Not this. So you're then into post contract negotiation for delays. Which always cost.
It's not worth getting pissy about IMO (an arch Leaver, I guess).
Edited to add "up to". I believe the estimate for everything was 320k-500k...
Ta.The contract apparently allowed for temp reinstatement for 3x annual events. Not this. So you're then into post contract negotiation for delays. Which always cost.
It's not worth getting pissy about IMO (an arch Leaver, I guess).
Edited to add "up to". I believe the estimate for everything was 320k-500k...
paulrockliffe said:
The bell is there, do you mean the clapper? It's a days work for a scaffolder, a day for the designer of the scaffold and a 300kg lift. It's not straightforward, but it's not beyond the wit of man either. It's certainly not half a million quid.
How much would it cost to remove some temporary scaffold after dropping the clapper back out and to slide the beams back under the bell? fk all.
Overall cost. I understood from a previous post the complications but wondered if it was costed. I expect the cost to be a tad different for a scaffolder putting up something on a shop front to inside a historical building.How much would it cost to remove some temporary scaffold after dropping the clapper back out and to slide the beams back under the bell? f
k all.Overiding implication for me is the lack of foresight from the bongers.
Zirconia said:
Overiding implication for me is the lack of foresight from the bongers.
Yes, if they want it to happen they should have anticipated the resistance that would be applied from the remainer rump embed in the process. But they couldn't practically have started much earlier given there was an election on the 12th of December that determined the Brexit date.No one genuinely believes it would cost half a million quid to move a few bits and pieces around up there. Of course we know the only difference since the bell last rung is the floor was removed, so putting the clapper back has to be done a different way, but we can also see there is adequate structure there that it isn't an insurmountable problem by any stretch.
It won't happen because people don't want it to happen, not for the reasons those people have put forward. It smacks of churlish toy-pram-throwing.
paulrockliffe said:
Yes, if they want it to happen they should have anticipated the resistance that would be applied from the remainer rump embed in the process. But they couldn't practically have started much earlier given there was an election on the 12th of December that determined the Brexit date.
No one genuinely believes it would cost half a million quid to move a few bits and pieces around up there. Of course we know the only difference since the bell last rung is the floor was removed, so putting the clapper back has to be done a different way, but we can also see there is adequate structure there that it isn't an insurmountable problem by any stretch.
It won't happen because people don't want it to happen, not for the reasons those people have put forward. It smacks of churlish toy-pram-throwing.
Boris threw it a bone in an interview, for an idea already trickling around. I doubt this was very going to happen. I suspect Cummings is chucking stuff around to see what sticks and to divert. Like shifting the House of Lords.No one genuinely believes it would cost half a million quid to move a few bits and pieces around up there. Of course we know the only difference since the bell last rung is the floor was removed, so putting the clapper back has to be done a different way, but we can also see there is adequate structure there that it isn't an insurmountable problem by any stretch.
It won't happen because people don't want it to happen, not for the reasons those people have put forward. It smacks of churlish toy-pram-throwing.
They knew there as move afoot around election time, perhaps they could have floated a what if to the planners of the project? I don't know what state the system could have been left in post New Years eve. Sounds all very project slipping back on its costings.
Anyhoo. Projected clock on N0 10 and Nige getting pissed on the collage green. I think there should be a synchronised BONG from the attendees.
Dont like rolls said:
Pan Pan Pan said:
The problem is that you don't seem to appreciate the pivotal nature of the UK in the last war. You don't seem to realize that if it had not been for the UK The EU would not even exist now. You don't seem to realize that what happened years ago has a direct effect on what can, and does happen now. Just because something happened 70 odd years ago does not mean it is no longer relevant today.
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Listen, I f.
kING do...hint: Read my POSTS above.
I understand more than you do and I understand that protective commitment is still maintained ffs.
NATO is basically the ALLIES with the liberated continental countries sprinkled about a bit (if any of their equipment worked, other than the French)
Stay in Bed Instead said:
Pan Pan Pan said:
The problem is that you don't seem to appreciate the pivotal nature of the UK in the last war. You don't seem to realize that if it had not been for the UK The EU would not even exist now. You don't seem to realize that what happened years ago has a direct effect on what can, and does happen now. Just because something happened 70 odd years ago does not mean it is no longer relevant today.
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So it's our fault the EU exists..
Damn ....
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