What is the one thing London needs most?
Discussion
FazerBoy said:
Nickgnome said:
When I left London I gave up my right to opine on its direction or how it is run.
For somebody who gave up his right to opine, you’re doing a great deal of opining on this thread!Why don’t you go away and leave us who live in London to discuss the issues that concern us. I’m sure you can find another thread to insert yourself into and annoy people there...
I haven’t btw.
Funny you haven’t criticised Pan pan the ex Londoner. Why would that be?
Nickgnome said:
Pan Pan Pan said:
Nickgnome said:
Pan Pan Pan said:
You seem to be the equivalent of the bloke in hospital bed who exclaims `The food here is f*cking amazing! You should try to get out of London more, You will at least be cleaner, and your lungs will love you for it.
For me London was a dirty, noisy, smelly, overcrowded, rat hole, and I was delighted to get away from it, Still it wouldn't do if everyone loved the same thing would it?
I am out of London now. I live on the South coast looking across to the IoW. I lived in many places in the U.K. and abroad so nothing like your hospital guy. I still visit regularly and stay over. My passion is sailing hence the coast. For me London was a dirty, noisy, smelly, overcrowded, rat hole, and I was delighted to get away from it, Still it wouldn't do if everyone loved the same thing would it?
Your view is your view. Others do not see London that way and your need to criticise people who like London is very odd.
We can concur on your final sentence.
Your need to criticize the views of someone who was born, grew up, and worked in London is also very odd, especially coming from someone who was not born there, apparently does not live there any more. and from your posts seems to inhabit only the nicer parts, instead of living in, seeing, and understanding much more of it than you seem to have done..
I suggest you might feel very much like a fish out of water in some parts of London.
Why are your previous generations of London family members relevant. Presumably they liked it.
I’m not criticising your view of London. You can feel how you like. If you’re no longer in London the way it’s run is none of your business is it. You gave up your right. Better you concentrate on your local democracy wherever that is.
Your criticism of people liking to live and work in London is unacceptable. It’s nothing to do with you and your criticism reflects your mindset, not them.
When I left London I gave up my right to opine on its direction or how it is run.
Your posts here and elsewhere indicate a very uptight unhappiness.
As has been pointed out, if someone does not like a place, it is best they do not go there. But criticizing someone else for criticizing London, when it is likely that person has a completely different experience of it, is a nonsense. Do you expect all others to like something, just because `you' like it, and if they don't like it then `their' view is wrong?
That is a very odd attitude to have.
Pan Pan Pan said:
It really is quite simple, you seem to like London, I do not. we have both lived and worked there it seems, so my opinion of it, carries as much weight as yours, it is for each individual to decide whether or not they like London.
As has been pointed out, if someone does not like a place, it is best they do not go there. But criticizing someone else for criticizing London, when it is likely that person has a completely different experience of it, is a nonsense. Do you expect all others to like something, just because `you' like it, and if they don't like it then `their' view is wrong?
That is a very odd attitude to have.
I am not criticising you or anyone for not liking London. As has been pointed out, if someone does not like a place, it is best they do not go there. But criticizing someone else for criticizing London, when it is likely that person has a completely different experience of it, is a nonsense. Do you expect all others to like something, just because `you' like it, and if they don't like it then `their' view is wrong?
That is a very odd attitude to have.
You should not however criticise those who do like it, including me.
Can we leave it at that please.
jakesmith said:
Fall about laughing? Really?
Only an odd bunch of characters would react like that!
As I said the whole area had a lot more going on than the market such as the lock, the yard and a load of cool bars, pubs and street food places. It’s hardly Leicester Square.
Have you actually been to London? You don’t seem to know very much about the place and prefer to perpetuate an ignorant stereotype.
I currently live just over a mile from Camden Lock, and have lived within three miles of it for over thirty-five years. My son lives even closer, in Primrose Hill, so about 200 yards away. Only an odd bunch of characters would react like that!
As I said the whole area had a lot more going on than the market such as the lock, the yard and a load of cool bars, pubs and street food places. It’s hardly Leicester Square.
Have you actually been to London? You don’t seem to know very much about the place and prefer to perpetuate an ignorant stereotype.
We both go past it every day.
numtumfutunch said:
s1962a said:
I think the ULEZ is a great idea. Who doesnt want cleaner air ?
Somebody with a 2011 diesel Ford Focus bought in good faith due to emissions driven tax bands at the time?There's probably a million regulations/rules that have changed in the last 9 years affecting every single one of the lives of UK residents and impacting their previous procurements as well. We can't just not change rules because of outlier edge cases that are impacted - particularly where the change of rules is designed to benefit health (or even save lives).
oyster said:
That's 9 years ago though, which is way beyond the average ownership span of the vast majority of car owners.
There's probably a million regulations/rules that have changed in the last 9 years affecting every single one of the lives of UK residents and impacting their previous procurements as well. We can't just not change rules because of outlier edge cases that are impacted - particularly where the change of rules is designed to benefit health (or even save lives).
Average age is 7.8 years in UK, well below the European average of 9.4 years. This figure includes the skewed numbers of people who driver very, very recent models too.There's probably a million regulations/rules that have changed in the last 9 years affecting every single one of the lives of UK residents and impacting their previous procurements as well. We can't just not change rules because of outlier edge cases that are impacted - particularly where the change of rules is designed to benefit health (or even save lives).
It's not really efficient for the Mad Hatters to keep on shouting "All change!" and expect the average consumer to bin what is, even at 9+ years, a significant chunk of their capital, let alone for us to keep scrapping otherwise serviceable machinery which will require significant environmental resources to replace.
My mate has a petrol Volvo 850. he kept it through the dieselbulls
tgate years and still has it. To him, who owns a shed but mostly cycles wherever he can (see the unintended consequences of making him spend on a car yet?) this was going to be the last car he ever bought.oyster said:
numtumfutunch said:
s1962a said:
I think the ULEZ is a great idea. Who doesnt want cleaner air ?
Somebody with a 2011 diesel Ford Focus bought in good faith due to emissions driven tax bands at the time?Agammemnon said:
oyster said:
numtumfutunch said:
s1962a said:
I think the ULEZ is a great idea. Who doesnt want cleaner air ?
Somebody with a 2011 diesel Ford Focus bought in good faith due to emissions driven tax bands at the time?NO2 Pollution cut by a third already and we have to take into account the feelings of a grumpy old diesel owner? It's simple, that person can either
(a) pay the ULEZ charge
(b) not drive in the ULEZ zone (currently the cc zone, due to be extended to north and south circular)
(c) upgrade their car
(d) make a strawman argument on PH
In any case, cleaner air is a good thing.
s1962a said:
(c) upgrade their car
Cost aside, the problem with this and one of the key reasons new vehicle sales in the UK have tanked, is that no one now knows what to do for the best.Sure, diesel is out and petrol not too far off either, but then you have PHEV, MHEV and EV and changing tech. No one wants to be caught holding the betamax solution.
The whole thing is a mess.
The latest wheeze, to give 0% BIK for EV's is s
te. Many, many people, doing a lot of miles and variable journeys just cannot cope with the present charging infrastructure issues, yet the tax incentive for PHEV is not really sufficient to make up for the cost or incentivise greater uptake.Gotta love all the stereotypical nonsense on threads like this 
according to what I read its because London is just one tiny place with the same demographic, ethnicity, age ranges of people all doing the same jobs where everyone is a miserable commuter where everyone lives in a tiny flat and has no idea who lives next door compared to the wonder life of living somewhere else where people smugly look at people that live in the 600 square miles of London space and sneer because they are the smart ones...says Dave from Hull 
according to what I read its because London is just one tiny place with the same demographic, ethnicity, age ranges of people all doing the same jobs where everyone is a miserable commuter where everyone lives in a tiny flat and has no idea who lives next door compared to the wonder life of living somewhere else where people smugly look at people that live in the 600 square miles of London space and sneer because they are the smart ones...says Dave from Hull 
Digga said:
Cost aside, the problem with this and one of the key reasons new vehicle sales in the UK have tanked, is that no one now knows what to do for the best.
Sure, diesel is out and petrol not too far off either, but then you have PHEV, MHEV and EV and changing tech. No one wants to be caught holding the betamax solution.
The whole thing is a mess.
The latest wheeze, to give 0% BIK for EV's is ste. Many, many people, doing a lot of miles and variable journeys just cannot cope with the present charging infrastructure issues, yet the tax incentive for PHEV is not really sufficient to make up for the cost or incentivise greater uptake.
Thats a good post and bang on the money. I know, I'm one of the many who is stymied by the lack of clarity as to the direction governmental policy will take us. Have looked at Hybrid and EV's, but the math just does not work, without even mentioning the lack of electrical charging infrastructure. Sure, diesel is out and petrol not too far off either, but then you have PHEV, MHEV and EV and changing tech. No one wants to be caught holding the betamax solution.
The whole thing is a mess.
The latest wheeze, to give 0% BIK for EV's is s
te. Many, many people, doing a lot of miles and variable journeys just cannot cope with the present charging infrastructure issues, yet the tax incentive for PHEV is not really sufficient to make up for the cost or incentivise greater uptake.Suffice to say, I won't be spending anything until the RDE2 engines are standard, and then keep a wary eye out for noises from gubbinment as to who they are going to pick on next.
Having said that , the main cause of poor air qulaity in London is wood burners. I suppose it's easier for them to bully vehicle owners.
Edited by Hosenbugler on Tuesday 21st January 14:58
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