What is the one thing London needs most?

[Murph7355]

Nickgnome said:

As long as you personally consume all the gases they produce, enjoy away!!


Seriously. There is such a thing as moderation.

Out of interest, why ARE you on PH?

[Nickgnome]

Murph7355 said:

Nickgnome said:

As long as you personally consume all the gases they produce, enjoy away!!


Seriously. There is such a thing as moderation.

Out of interest, why ARE you on PH?

Perhaps look at me car history.

I happen to think that learning and understanding is continual. If that knowledge indicates that modified behaviour is required for the benefit of our children and future generations, then I see little conflict in changing previous actions to reflect what is more reasonable.

You will no doubt remember smoking in pubs and restaurants. When the incontrovertible evidence of the negative impacts of the smoke on the non smoking public, It was made illegal and has saved thousands of lives and reduced Heath impacts on many more.

Are you at all involved in Risk Analysis?

[Digga]

Nickgnome said:

Murph7355 said:

Nickgnome said:

As long as you personally consume all the gases they produce, enjoy away!!


Seriously. There is such a thing as moderation.

Out of interest, why ARE you on PH?

Perhaps look at me car history.

I happen to think that learning and understanding is continual. If that knowledge indicates that modified behaviour is required for the benefit of our children and future generations, then I see little conflict in changing previous actions to reflect what is more reasonable.

You will no doubt remember smoking in pubs and restaurants. When the incontrovertible evidence of the negative impacts of the smoke on the non smoking public, It was made illegal and has saved thousands of lives and reduced Heath impacts on many more.

Are you at all involved in Risk Analysis?

Is the wrong answer.

[Nudrev breac]

1. Modern trams. You could travel all over London by tram in my young days. Only vehicle running in the FOG. 2. Electric buses or Trolley buses.

[Agammemnon]

Digga said:

Agammemnon said:

Hosenbugler said:

Open fireplaces, bonfires and wood burning stoves would be prohibited

If my open fireplace is prohibited then how does this work with my HRA right to quietly enjoy my property?
As I paid tax (stamp duty) and council tax based on the value of my home which included said fireplace, does collection of tax not imply approval from government & council of what I bought? I'm not looking for a refund, I'm looking to enjoy what I paid for.

The thought of urbanites replicating the bucolic life, whilst having to have firewood shipped in from miles away is mildly amusing.

My firewood comes either from my own trees or, mostly, from a mate's farm, who delivers kiln dried (more CO2 I guess) 1 tonne bags of the stuff to my wood store.

Mine comes from the trees I trimmed down to allow more light onto my solar panels.

[Zarco]

Less people.

[Murph7355]

Nickgnome said:

Murph7355 said:

Nickgnome said:

As long as you personally consume all the gases they produce, enjoy away!!


Seriously. There is such a thing as moderation.

Out of interest, why ARE you on PH?

Perhaps look at me car history.

I happen to think that learning and understanding is continual. If that knowledge indicates that modified behaviour is required for the benefit of our children and future generations, then I see little conflict in changing previous actions to reflect what is more reasonable.

You will no doubt remember smoking in pubs and restaurants. When the incontrovertible evidence of the negative impacts of the smoke on the non smoking public, It was made illegal and has saved thousands of lives and reduced Heath impacts on many more.

Are you at all involved in Risk Analysis?

Crikey Nick, that's a bit of a mixed bag!

However, history schmistory. You now would rather walk everywhere, have a coffin dodger spec Merc and only post on NPE... I'm no longer convinced you aren't an avid Daily Mail reader. Past performance is no guarantee etc etc.

Yes, risk analysis is part of what I do.

Smoking - the key here is "incontrovertible". We're not there yet on many topics. May never be.

Moderation is a very subjective beast (a Ghia no less. What was wrong with the L? ). One has to be careful suggesting how others should live their lives. And especially the tone used. Glass houses and all that. Unless you've always lived a puritanical life... Which judging by the amount of plastic and change in your garage is unlikely

[Agammemnon]

Nickgnome said:

You can have your open fire and burn on it whatever you like.

Predicated on no emission from your chimney or other opening. In other words breathe your own st.

I've checked & I'm relieved to say I don't need your permission to run my life as I see fit.

The eco movement seems to be well supplied with people who want to protest about others' lifestyles whilst hypocritically doing nothing about their own.

[anonymous-user]

Agammemnon said:

ine comes from the trees I trimmed down to allow more light onto my solar panels.

Do you live in London RovingHawk ?

[vonuber]

Murph7355 said:

Out of interest, why ARE you on PH?

I don't get this argument. The sub forums are not exclusively about motoring.

[fatboy18]

vonuber said:

Murph7355 said:

Out of interest, why ARE you on PH?

I don't get this argument. The sub forums are not exclusively about motoring.

True, but this is a motoring related website selling cars, car reviews, car parts etc. there is nothing on the home pages saying please talk to us about other issues, so why would someone want to come on PH if you have a low interest in motoring?

[vonuber]

fatboy18 said:

rue, but this is a motoring related website selling cars, car reviews, car parts etc. there is nothing on the home pages saying please talk to us about other issues, so why would someone want to come on PH if you have a low interest in motoring?

They saw some of the posts quoted in the Mail?
Dunno, but maybe because it is a large website which has a variety of different topics to talk about with like minded people.
Just look at the watch thread..

[Nickgnome]

Murph7355 said:

Crikey Nick, that's a bit of a mixed bag!

However, history schmistory. You now would rather walk everywhere, have a coffin dodger spec Merc and only post on NPE... I'm no longer convinced you aren't an avid Daily Mail reader. Past performance is no guarantee etc etc.

Yes, risk analysis is part of what I do.

Smoking - the key here is "incontrovertible". We're not there yet on many topics. May never be.

Moderation is a very subjective beast (a Ghia no less. What was wrong with the L? ). One has to be careful suggesting how others should live their lives. And especially the tone used. Glass houses and all that. Unless you've always lived a puritanical life... Which judging by the amount of plastic and change in your garage is unlikely

Easy ones first, Mail and Express, never. Telegraph on the iPad. Rarely read thoroughly.

Car wise apart from a couple of company cars the rest were bought second hand.

Of course I consume. It’s unrealistic to expect people to change overnight. It’s possible to adjust behaviour though, without really noticing much impact. Plastic bags for instance was a really easy win.

Low energy housing has to be a huge benefit to everyone, more comfortable, much cheaper to run and will reduce the need for increasing total capacity.

[Digga]

Nickgnome said:

Of course I consume. It’s unrealistic to expect people to change overnight. It’s possible to adjust behaviour though, without really noticing much impact. Plastic bags for instance was a really easy win.

Low energy housing has to be a huge benefit to everyone, more comfortable, much cheaper to run and will reduce the need for increasing total capacity.

I am very much a waste not, want not sort of guy. My favourite hoody now has holes in the cuffs, lower sleeves and is threadbare in a few other places besides. I will not replace it until it's done.

I agree there are easy wins and plastic bags was most definitely one such. I'd also vote to allow snipers to shoot people littering and fly tipping, because I do believe these types serve no purpose to the humanity or the world.

However, on broader change, the elephant in the room are China and India. Nailled by Nial (Ferguson): https://summit.news/2020/01/22/historian-slams-gre...

[anonymous-user]

A good old fashioned cull.

[easyhome]

s1962a said:

blueg33 said:

There is a shortage of social and affordable housing across the UK. Currently 1m families on waiting lists and need for 134,000 new social and affordable houses every year.

Saying dont do them in London is wrong, if there is a shortage of supply everywhere.

Government already owns plenty of land in London it could use.

I work in London and commute - its extremely expensive. I am lucky, I am well paid but many people aren't, how can a nurse working in London afford a £5k pa season ticket? How can your office cleaner afford to get to work if they live a long commute away etc

London cannot function without all of the modestly paid support and key workers. Move em all out to Grimsby where there are cheap houses and London will stop functioning in an instant

Agree with this. The government could take some steps to improve conditions for keyworkers, if they don't want to pay them more outright.

- Allow them to claim back mortgage interest or rent vs their tax, so they get their salaries virtually tax free
- Free travel on TFL

keyworkers in my opinion are nurses, careworkers, emergency services, state school teachers etc

And are those key workers going to be happy travelling out of London to somewhere more affordable when they want to buy a pint of milk, have a meal out or have their bins emptied?
With the way the modern world is integrated everyone is essential really.

[Murph7355]

Maybe the laws of supply and demand need to be allowed to work?

Cleaners, nurses, firemen etc all leave the city to work more provincially, the areas they used to live in that are no longer affordable get less services, they become less desirable and either the wealthier inhabitants pay more tax to encourage core services back in, or they move (spreading their wealth to wherever they move to)?

I'm not sure generic central govt subsidy is the answer.

[blueg33]

Murph7355 said:

Maybe the laws of supply and demand need to be allowed to work?

Cleaners, nurses, firemen etc all leave the city to work more provincially, the areas they used to live in that are no longer affordable get less services, they become less desirable and either the wealthier inhabitants pay more tax to encourage core services back in, or they move (spreading their wealth to wherever they move to)?

I'm not sure generic central govt subsidy is the answer.

Except it will take a couple of generations for that principle to work. Plus you are implying that its a good plan to leave London without nurses etc,so that in your declining society with no emergency a services an innocent person gets stabbed by someone trying to steal his phone and that person can't get an ambulance, can't get treatment at hospital because all they key workers have moved away.

[rxe]

Digga said:

The thought of urbanites replicating the bucolic life, whilst having to have firewood shipped in from miles away is mildly amusing.

My firewood comes either from my own trees or, mostly, from a mate's farm, who delivers kiln dried (more CO2 I guess) 1 tonne bags of the stuff to my wood store. Sorted.

I wonder what the CO2 input for firewood deliveries into London might be?

Well, on one side of the argument, I have a wood burner in N1. It's all properly done and is the proper clean burn thing rather than a 50 quid cheapo from Screwfix. When I go up to London in the winter I lob a crate of wood in the back of the car, so no material extra CO2. And clearly a gas saving during the week. It probably burns 2 days a month in winter.

The wood comes from whatever falls down on my place (or the neighbour's place) west of London. The woodpile is visible from space, so I have plenty spare.

That said, I struggle with the idea that wood burners are 10% of anything. I don't know anyone else with one, I never see any wood (or coal) deliveries in London, I never see any smoke. The numbers of wood burners must be vanishingly small.

[Murph7355]

blueg33 said:

Murph7355 said:

Maybe the laws of supply and demand need to be allowed to work?

Cleaners, nurses, firemen etc all leave the city to work more provincially, the areas they used to live in that are no longer affordable get less services, they become less desirable and either the wealthier inhabitants pay more tax to encourage core services back in, or they move (spreading their wealth to wherever they move to)?

I'm not sure generic central govt subsidy is the answer.

Except it will take a couple of generations for that principle to work. Plus you are implying that its a good plan to leave London without nurses etc,so that in your declining society with no emergency a services an innocent person gets stabbed by someone trying to steal his phone and that person can't get an ambulance, can't get treatment at hospital because all they key workers have moved away.

I'm on of those right wing types that thinks the NHS should be cutting its cloth all over the country.

But to pick up on your example, perhaps "NHS London" should then prioritise the services it provides where it cannot get the staff for the money it had. So ambulances and A&E, fine. But if people in these very expensive places want anything else, they either travel for it, or go private. Or they accept more taxation (locally)....?

Something has to give.