What is the one thing London needs most?
Discussion
s1962a said:
Agree with this. The government could take some steps to improve conditions for keyworkers, if they don't want to pay them more outright.
- Allow them to claim back mortgage interest or rent vs their tax, so they get their salaries virtually tax free
- Free travel on TFL
keyworkers in my opinion are nurses, careworkers, emergency services, state school teachers etc
The other, more straightforward option might be simply to pay them competitive salaries in the first place, which would also have the benefit of distorting the job market less...The taxpayer will be picking up the bill one way or another, but making people captives of state largesse is really not the way to go.- Allow them to claim back mortgage interest or rent vs their tax, so they get their salaries virtually tax free
- Free travel on TFL
keyworkers in my opinion are nurses, careworkers, emergency services, state school teachers etc
amusingduck said:
rxtx said:
hyphen said:
Many are eu citizens, so post brexit it should be the case.
I guess all these non-British homeless people will go home then, after brexit.FFS.
Why shouldn't they be allowed to stay?
ElectricSoup said:
rxtx said:
amusingduck said:
Why should they be allowed to stay?
Good grief man. What do you think will happen? The Homeless Police are going to round them up and send them "back to where they came from?"Nothing will happen to them. I can't stand the xenophobia here. You just can't get away from your precious brexit, no matter what the thread title. Thick idiots.
Government said:
The number of EU nationals (non-UK) sleeping rough on a single night in autumn 2018 increased from 760 (16% of the total) in 2017 to 1,048 (22% of the total). This was an increase of 288 people or 38%.
The number of people from outside the EU and the UK sleeping rough on a single night in autumn 2018 decreased from 2017. There were 153 people sleeping rough (3% of the total) from outside the EU and UK, which was down 40 people or 21% from 2017 when there were 193 people from outside the EU and UK (4% of the total).
In London, the increase in the overall number of people sleeping rough was largely driven by in-creasing numbers of people sleeping rough who were EU (non-UK) nationals. There was an in-crease of 284 people (87%), from 326 people (29% of the London total) in 2017 to 610 people (48% of the London total) in 2018.
Data here: https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&a...The number of people from outside the EU and the UK sleeping rough on a single night in autumn 2018 decreased from 2017. There were 153 people sleeping rough (3% of the total) from outside the EU and UK, which was down 40 people or 21% from 2017 when there were 193 people from outside the EU and UK (4% of the total).
In London, the increase in the overall number of people sleeping rough was largely driven by in-creasing numbers of people sleeping rough who were EU (non-UK) nationals. There was an in-crease of 284 people (87%), from 326 people (29% of the London total) in 2017 to 610 people (48% of the London total) in 2018.
Bam89 said:
amusingduck said:
rxtx said:
hyphen said:
Many are eu citizens, so post brexit it should be the case.
I guess all these non-British homeless people will go home then, after brexit.FFS.
Why shouldn't they be allowed to stay?
You're right, there shouldn't be any after-the-fact-rug-pulling.
Norfolk B-roads said:
Nickgnome said:
London is a fantastically cosmopolitan, multicultural, vibrant city. It was without doubt the best place I ever worked.
Nobody forces anyone to live in London and many that do not like the pace move away.
London, along with the South east contributes billions to the UK economy. If you want to see how much there are a number of sources available.
The best and the bright migrate from all over the UK and abroad to live and work there.
Some people are jealous and envious of its success. Resentment is a very negative trait.
It’s entirely within the naysayers responsibility to make a similar success of the areas from which they come.
If you don’t think your politicians are standing up for your respective areas then look in a mirror to find the culprits.
And that's London in a nutshell. Anyone who doesn't live there must be jealous. Or perhaps not bright enough. Nobody forces anyone to live in London and many that do not like the pace move away.
London, along with the South east contributes billions to the UK economy. If you want to see how much there are a number of sources available.
The best and the bright migrate from all over the UK and abroad to live and work there.
Some people are jealous and envious of its success. Resentment is a very negative trait.
It’s entirely within the naysayers responsibility to make a similar success of the areas from which they come.
If you don’t think your politicians are standing up for your respective areas then look in a mirror to find the culprits.
London is only successful by its own measures of success. If yours align with that, great, that's good for you, but those measures are not universally agreed upon.
Did I say anyone? No I said some.
Do you as a non Londoner accept the monies that London contribute over and above it’s own costs to the rest of the U.K.?
If you do not, would it be OK for London to spend said profit on itself and those that work there in the form of tax breaks of some sort?
Nickgnome said:
London is a fantastically cosmopolitan, multicultural, vibrant city. It was without doubt the best place I ever worked.
Nobody forces anyone to live in London and many that do not like the pace move away.
London, along with the South east contributes billions to the UK economy. If you want to see how much there are a number of sources available.
The best and the bright migrate from all over the UK and abroad to live and work there.
Some people are jealous and envious of its success. Resentment is a very negative trait.
It’s entirely within the naysayers responsibility to make a similar success of the areas from which they come.
If you don’t think your politicians are standing up for your respective areas then look in a mirror to find the culprits.
I think that’s a load of old balls. Look at the faces of the people on your average commuter train and you’ll see what it’s like to work in London:.Nobody forces anyone to live in London and many that do not like the pace move away.
London, along with the South east contributes billions to the UK economy. If you want to see how much there are a number of sources available.
The best and the bright migrate from all over the UK and abroad to live and work there.
Some people are jealous and envious of its success. Resentment is a very negative trait.
It’s entirely within the naysayers responsibility to make a similar success of the areas from which they come.
If you don’t think your politicians are standing up for your respective areas then look in a mirror to find the culprits.
Only tourists and people who weren’t born near the place enjoy it.
wormus said:
I think that’s a load of old balls. Look at the faces of the people on your average commuter train and you’ll see what it’s like to work in London:.
Only tourists and people who weren’t born near the place enjoy it.
Not so. Only tourists and people who weren’t born near the place enjoy it.
My wife is London born and bred and wouldn't live anywhere else. She gets the collywobbles nearing the North Circular and is hyperventilating by the M25. She genuinely thinks that Stanmore is in the countryside.
I know others like her.
Nickgnome said:
Norfolk B-roads said:
Nickgnome said:
London is a fantastically cosmopolitan, multicultural, vibrant city. It was without doubt the best place I ever worked.
Nobody forces anyone to live in London and many that do not like the pace move away.
London, along with the South east contributes billions to the UK economy. If you want to see how much there are a number of sources available.
The best and the bright migrate from all over the UK and abroad to live and work there.
Some people are jealous and envious of its success. Resentment is a very negative trait.
It’s entirely within the naysayers responsibility to make a similar success of the areas from which they come.
If you don’t think your politicians are standing up for your respective areas then look in a mirror to find the culprits.
And that's London in a nutshell. Anyone who doesn't live there must be jealous. Or perhaps not bright enough. Nobody forces anyone to live in London and many that do not like the pace move away.
London, along with the South east contributes billions to the UK economy. If you want to see how much there are a number of sources available.
The best and the bright migrate from all over the UK and abroad to live and work there.
Some people are jealous and envious of its success. Resentment is a very negative trait.
It’s entirely within the naysayers responsibility to make a similar success of the areas from which they come.
If you don’t think your politicians are standing up for your respective areas then look in a mirror to find the culprits.
London is only successful by its own measures of success. If yours align with that, great, that's good for you, but those measures are not universally agreed upon.
Did I say anyone? No I said some.
Do you as a non Londoner accept the monies that London contribute over and above it’s own costs to the rest of the U.K.?
If you do not, would it be OK for London to spend said profit on itself and those that work there in the form of tax breaks of some sort?
catso said:
ElectricSoup said:
All Hail Mark Francois - Minister for Forced Repatriation.
Surely with a name like Francois he must be a Frenchie, do you think they'd take him back?... 
Trying for a sensible answer.
I lived in London for 30 years and still work there from time to time. Every time I return, sadly, it gets worse in so many ways. The main problems seem to be stupidly high house prices - so build more AFFORDABLE housing, and stupidly overcrowded roads - so encourage as many people that could work from home to do so, negating much of the traffic.
In answer to the O/P: Affordable housing with built in (subsidised for work) fast broadband. You then help to sort the main two problems. Housing and traffic.
All IMHO of course.
I lived in London for 30 years and still work there from time to time. Every time I return, sadly, it gets worse in so many ways. The main problems seem to be stupidly high house prices - so build more AFFORDABLE housing, and stupidly overcrowded roads - so encourage as many people that could work from home to do so, negating much of the traffic.
In answer to the O/P: Affordable housing with built in (subsidised for work) fast broadband. You then help to sort the main two problems. Housing and traffic.
All IMHO of course.
GetCarter said:
Trying for a sensible answer.
I lived in London for 30 years and still work there from time to time. Every time I return, sadly, it gets worse in so many ways. The main problems seem to be stupidly high house prices - so build more AFFORDABLE housing, and stupidly overcrowded roads - so encourage as many people that could work from home to do so, negating much of the traffic.
In answer to the O/P: Affordable housing with built in (subsidised for work) fast broadband. You then help to sort the main two problems. Housing and traffic.
All IMHO of course.
If we get more people working from home, fewer people need to live in London. Isn't that a Catch 22 with your idea?I lived in London for 30 years and still work there from time to time. Every time I return, sadly, it gets worse in so many ways. The main problems seem to be stupidly high house prices - so build more AFFORDABLE housing, and stupidly overcrowded roads - so encourage as many people that could work from home to do so, negating much of the traffic.
In answer to the O/P: Affordable housing with built in (subsidised for work) fast broadband. You then help to sort the main two problems. Housing and traffic.
All IMHO of course.
Nickgnome said:
Norfolk B-roads said:
Nickgnome said:
London is a fantastically cosmopolitan, multicultural, vibrant city. It was without doubt the best place I ever worked.
Nobody forces anyone to live in London and many that do not like the pace move away.
London, along with the South east contributes billions to the UK economy. If you want to see how much there are a number of sources available.
The best and the bright migrate from all over the UK and abroad to live and work there.
Some people are jealous and envious of its success. Resentment is a very negative trait.
It’s entirely within the naysayers responsibility to make a similar success of the areas from which they come.
If you don’t think your politicians are standing up for your respective areas then look in a mirror to find the culprits.
And that's London in a nutshell. Anyone who doesn't live there must be jealous. Or perhaps not bright enough. Nobody forces anyone to live in London and many that do not like the pace move away.
London, along with the South east contributes billions to the UK economy. If you want to see how much there are a number of sources available.
The best and the bright migrate from all over the UK and abroad to live and work there.
Some people are jealous and envious of its success. Resentment is a very negative trait.
It’s entirely within the naysayers responsibility to make a similar success of the areas from which they come.
If you don’t think your politicians are standing up for your respective areas then look in a mirror to find the culprits.
London is only successful by its own measures of success. If yours align with that, great, that's good for you, but those measures are not universally agreed upon.
Did I say anyone? No I said some.
Do you as a non Londoner accept the monies that London contribute over and above it’s own costs to the rest of the U.K.?
If you do not, would it be OK for London to spend said profit on itself and those that work there in the form of tax breaks of some sort?
If you want to divide the country up into those who contribute and those who don't, you'll have to be a lot more granular than "London" or "Not London" I'm afraid. So, lets take it to the extreme. Separate everyone up individually. Personally, I'm definitely a net contributor. Do you, as a non-me, mind if I spend some of my profits on myself in the form of tax breaks? Actually, there's no need to answer that, because I don't feel entitled to any more of my share of my profits than I already get. I wonder why I don't?
I'll tell you why. Because I haven't lived or worked in London for 25 years, that's why. So I haven't picked up by osmosis that particular self-serving point of view.
What is the one thing London needs most?
1. A national policy that decisively favours growth and job creation in Britain's other metropolitan areas.
2. City and town planning, both in the nation's capital as well as throughout the country, that acknowledges how people want to live (and not how planning elites and the media say they should live)
"Australians face an uncharacteristically bleak future. Urged to settle where the planners and pundits prefer, they’re stuck in places both unaffordable and inhospitable..."
https://www.city-journal.org/australia-economy-mid...
"Contrary to the prevailing view of 'retro-urbanists' and city planners, Kotkin advocates a blend of suburbs and city centers..."
https://urbanland.uli.org/development-business/pri...
Digga said:
ElectricSoup said:
rxtx said:
amusingduck said:
Why should they be allowed to stay?
Good grief man. What do you think will happen? The Homeless Police are going to round them up and send them "back to where they came from?"Nothing will happen to them. I can't stand the xenophobia here. You just can't get away from your precious brexit, no matter what the thread title. Thick idiots.
Government said:
The number of EU nationals (non-UK) sleeping rough on a single night in autumn 2018 increased from 760 (16% of the total) in 2017 to 1,048 (22% of the total). This was an increase of 288 people or 38%.
The number of people from outside the EU and the UK sleeping rough on a single night in autumn 2018 decreased from 2017. There were 153 people sleeping rough (3% of the total) from outside the EU and UK, which was down 40 people or 21% from 2017 when there were 193 people from outside the EU and UK (4% of the total).
In London, the increase in the overall number of people sleeping rough was largely driven by in-creasing numbers of people sleeping rough who were EU (non-UK) nationals. There was an in-crease of 284 people (87%), from 326 people (29% of the London total) in 2017 to 610 people (48% of the London total) in 2018.
Data here: https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&a...The number of people from outside the EU and the UK sleeping rough on a single night in autumn 2018 decreased from 2017. There were 153 people sleeping rough (3% of the total) from outside the EU and UK, which was down 40 people or 21% from 2017 when there were 193 people from outside the EU and UK (4% of the total).
In London, the increase in the overall number of people sleeping rough was largely driven by in-creasing numbers of people sleeping rough who were EU (non-UK) nationals. There was an in-crease of 284 people (87%), from 326 people (29% of the London total) in 2017 to 610 people (48% of the London total) in 2018.
blueg33 said:
Digga said:
ElectricSoup said:
rxtx said:
amusingduck said:
Why should they be allowed to stay?
Good grief man. What do you think will happen? The Homeless Police are going to round them up and send them "back to where they came from?"Nothing will happen to them. I can't stand the xenophobia here. You just can't get away from your precious brexit, no matter what the thread title. Thick idiots.
Government said:
The number of EU nationals (non-UK) sleeping rough on a single night in autumn 2018 increased from 760 (16% of the total) in 2017 to 1,048 (22% of the total). This was an increase of 288 people or 38%.
The number of people from outside the EU and the UK sleeping rough on a single night in autumn 2018 decreased from 2017. There were 153 people sleeping rough (3% of the total) from outside the EU and UK, which was down 40 people or 21% from 2017 when there were 193 people from outside the EU and UK (4% of the total).
In London, the increase in the overall number of people sleeping rough was largely driven by in-creasing numbers of people sleeping rough who were EU (non-UK) nationals. There was an in-crease of 284 people (87%), from 326 people (29% of the London total) in 2017 to 610 people (48% of the London total) in 2018.
Data here: https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&a...The number of people from outside the EU and the UK sleeping rough on a single night in autumn 2018 decreased from 2017. There were 153 people sleeping rough (3% of the total) from outside the EU and UK, which was down 40 people or 21% from 2017 when there were 193 people from outside the EU and UK (4% of the total).
In London, the increase in the overall number of people sleeping rough was largely driven by in-creasing numbers of people sleeping rough who were EU (non-UK) nationals. There was an in-crease of 284 people (87%), from 326 people (29% of the London total) in 2017 to 610 people (48% of the London total) in 2018.
ElectricSoup said:
GetCarter said:
Trying for a sensible answer.
I lived in London for 30 years and still work there from time to time. Every time I return, sadly, it gets worse in so many ways. The main problems seem to be stupidly high house prices - so build more AFFORDABLE housing, and stupidly overcrowded roads - so encourage as many people that could work from home to do so, negating much of the traffic.
In answer to the O/P: Affordable housing with built in (subsidised for work) fast broadband. You then help to sort the main two problems. Housing and traffic.
All IMHO of course.
If we get more people working from home, fewer people need to live in London. Isn't that a Catch 22 with your idea?I lived in London for 30 years and still work there from time to time. Every time I return, sadly, it gets worse in so many ways. The main problems seem to be stupidly high house prices - so build more AFFORDABLE housing, and stupidly overcrowded roads - so encourage as many people that could work from home to do so, negating much of the traffic.
In answer to the O/P: Affordable housing with built in (subsidised for work) fast broadband. You then help to sort the main two problems. Housing and traffic.
All IMHO of course.
Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff