Do "star's" political opinions annoy?
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voyds9 said:
YouTalkinToMe said:
biggbn said:
So it's OK for us commoners to hold and discuss political views, but it's annoying when 'celebs' do it? Seems rather strange doesn't it?
Not really. Not when 'discussing it' goes beyond your living room or pub and extends to a platform not accessible by 'commoners'.poo at Paul's said:
I think the nub of it, is that "stars" or "influencial" people's opinions are as valid as anyone elses, but not more so. If they think they are, they are wrong. What is true, is that their feelings will be skewed by their life experience which will not be typical as most people's so one could argue their opinion is less relevant.
But what REALLY gets up the noses of the masses, is the hypocrisy of many of these people. There's hundreds of examples of it, from the likes of Lilly Allen, Bob the Nob, Bonio, endless politicians, Emma t
tshom, etc etc. Do as I say, not as I do.
But that feeling is the same as less famous and celebrity people too, it's just they don't get themselves in the papers so much!!
Agreed 100% But what REALLY gets up the noses of the masses, is the hypocrisy of many of these people. There's hundreds of examples of it, from the likes of Lilly Allen, Bob the Nob, Bonio, endless politicians, Emma t
tshom, etc etc. Do as I say, not as I do. But that feeling is the same as less famous and celebrity people too, it's just they don't get themselves in the papers so much!!
mko9 said:
biggbn said:
So it's OK for us commoners to hold and discuss political views, but it's annoying when 'celebs' do it? Seems rather strange doesn't it?
Don't worry, I find you annoying when you are expressing your political views, too. But I assume yours aren't being broadcast on the world. Outside of this web forum, of course. :-)Perhaps my initial response was too harsh and not explored sufficiently. Do we think that stars (and who decides what that entails, and what level of celebrity is sufficiently influential to cause ripples of recognition amongst the many and varied faces of Joe and Jemima Public?) should remain impartial and not venture an opinion when asked lest they influence those who blindly follow their every utterance? Or should they be allowed to express an opinion like everybody else? I do not like when anyone forces their ideology, religion or politics at me, but do feel everyone should have the right to expression of their beliefs. A potentially anomalous state of affairs that define two polarities without encouraging a compromised middle ground.
As others have stated it is hypocrisy I cannot abide, from Ahnold swearing veganism is the new blinding light of dietary advancement after a lifetime of carnivorous consumption and monstrous intakes of gear to any of the entitled actors and politicians preaching to us about tightening our collective belts whilst their own profligacy puts a coke addled Croesus on a three day beneder to shame.
Ah, but, do they highlight genuine plights? Yes, many of them do. Are more people aware of environtal issues, mental health issues, the list goes on, because of celebrity 'endorsement'? Yes, undoubtedly. It is then, overall a good thing, but I draw the line at Elton f'kin John lecturing me on waste and environmental issues. And there we have it, my line in the sand for what little it's worth.
As others have stated it is hypocrisy I cannot abide, from Ahnold swearing veganism is the new blinding light of dietary advancement after a lifetime of carnivorous consumption and monstrous intakes of gear to any of the entitled actors and politicians preaching to us about tightening our collective belts whilst their own profligacy puts a coke addled Croesus on a three day beneder to shame.
Ah, but, do they highlight genuine plights? Yes, many of them do. Are more people aware of environtal issues, mental health issues, the list goes on, because of celebrity 'endorsement'? Yes, undoubtedly. It is then, overall a good thing, but I draw the line at Elton f'kin John lecturing me on waste and environmental issues. And there we have it, my line in the sand for what little it's worth.
Edited by biggbn on Sunday 19th January 20:55
Edited by biggbn on Sunday 19th January 23:30
Crossflow Kid said:
Yes, school dinners needed improving.
The bit I find tiresome is when the Olivers is this world start moving in political circles and pop up, suited and booted, on the steps of 10 Downing Street, carrying on like an actual government minister with authority to change things.
I find chefs and restaurateurs banging on about nutrition about as relevant as Michael Bay banging on about art. Restaurant food is about entertainment. It's not meant to be good for you. People who cook food for canteens don't get cooking programmes. The bit I find tiresome is when the Olivers is this world start moving in political circles and pop up, suited and booted, on the steps of 10 Downing Street, carrying on like an actual government minister with authority to change things.
I'm getting increasingly bored and pissed off with famous people constantly airing their views on stuff. Most of the time I'm sure they don't really mean it but, rather, it's just the latest pathetic stunt to get their faces in the papers, on telly, youtube, etc. It also comes over as massively arrogant on their part because you just know that deep down they think that because they have the ability to say it to millions of people it affords them some sort of moral superiority - I point you in the direction of the aforementioned Miss Allen as a prime example.
It's always struck me as a pretty bad idea too as whatever view you espouse you inevitably ps off other people so why bother? I think I'm right in saying that Elvis Presley never really let his political opinions be known. I recall seeing an interview with him when he was asked, I think, about Vietnam and whether he condemned or supported US actions. He refused to give an answer replying something in the order of it's not my place to tell/judge people on their beliefs or words to that effect. One wonders whether he would be as much a revered figure in the entertainment industry had he gone around making his political beliefs known to all and sundry?
It's always struck me as a pretty bad idea too as whatever view you espouse you inevitably p
s off other people so why bother? I think I'm right in saying that Elvis Presley never really let his political opinions be known. I recall seeing an interview with him when he was asked, I think, about Vietnam and whether he condemned or supported US actions. He refused to give an answer replying something in the order of it's not my place to tell/judge people on their beliefs or words to that effect. One wonders whether he would be as much a revered figure in the entertainment industry had he gone around making his political beliefs known to all and sundry? ChocolateFrog said:
No, because I know their opinions don't make a jot of difference and it's quite funny seeing the likes of Lilly Allen having full on meltdowns when they don't get their way.
I think Gervais has it about right. No one in the real world gives a fk what you think just do what you're paid to do and lets face it for most of them that's to sing and dance for our amusement, nothing more.
Coming from the biggest hypocrite of them all. Gervais has gone out of his way to broadcast his feelings on several topics. Like I said in my previous post; this evidence of slebs saying this sI think Gervais has it about right. No one in the real world gives a f
k what you think just do what you're paid to do and lets face it for most of them that's to sing and dance for our amusement, nothing more.t to boost their visibility. Gervais blasts people for hunting, or whatever the fk it was at the time, and gets loads of publicity for it. Now that literally every single celebrity seems to have a vocal opinion on some pointless bullst or other and people are getting tired of hearing it all he suddenly decides that slebs with opinions need to STFU. He's not getting noticed any more so he'll just get noticed by taking offence at it.hucumber said:
ChocolateFrog said:
just do what you're paid to do and lets face it for most of them that's to sing and dance for our amusement, nothing more.
They are human beings and as such are entitled to their opinions, its no different from people voicing their political opinions on here they are just doing it from a different platform.They can say what they like as far as I'm concerned, same as anyone on here can voice any political views they possess. I personally don't give a fk what someones political views are, and if they start voicing them I can walk away / change channel / turn my computer off etc. I never get why people are so butthurt about other people saying things they think, maybe some people need to learn that other people think differe t thi gs to them and actually, thats okk right off abroad as soon as he became PM and would be totally unaffected by the economic apocalypse which would have then ensued. Halb said:
everyday folk get asked their opinion on a daily basis by news sorts on the street, in studios in groups. It's no different than celebs or other journos, it's just that a celebs (as individuals) gets more opportunities afforded them by the media.
It's completely and utterly different. In 99% of cases celebs are saying it because they think it will help their business of being a celebrity. They are saying it for profit, essentially. A mate of mine is in the music industry, has been since the early 1970's when he was in a notable band of the era. His opinion is that in almost all cases the celebs saying something usually don't believe what they are saying or will simply say anything as long as it gets them a few column inches. His exact words "they just say it for effect", the effect, of course, is being noticed.
Edited by AJL308 on Thursday 23 January 18:08
Europa1 said:
gareth_r said:
Why is Lily Allen in your list? She shares your opinion.
Lily is "Sick to death of luvvies like a Lawrence (sic) Fox going on TV and forcing their opinions on everybody else, when he’ll never have to deal with what normal people have to deal with in his gated community.”.
(I would, however, like to know why there are ordinary people in Laurence's gated community. Is that where the refugees that are not living in Lily's houses have been accommodated?
)
https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/lily-alle...
I think Lily Allen's self-awareness-ometer may be overdue a service...Lily is "Sick to death of luvvies like a Lawrence (sic) Fox going on TV and forcing their opinions on everybody else, when he’ll never have to deal with what normal people have to deal with in his gated community.”.
(I would, however, like to know why there are ordinary people in Laurence's gated community. Is that where the refugees that are not living in Lily's houses have been accommodated?
)https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/lily-alle...
She's a Friday afternoon Lilly, I reckon.
Fittster said:
AJL308 said:
It's always struck me as a pretty bad idea too as whatever view you espouse you inevitably ps off other people so why bother?
Says man who posts in the NPE sub-forum.....s off other people so why bother? Stars and celebrities are as entitled to hold, and air, their views as much as anyone else.
Their opinion is as valid as any man in the street.
In certain cases, their views can be potentially be more valuable than yours or mine as they have the resources to travel to pretty much anywhere and witness issues around the world first hand, if they choose to. Other times they will no doubt speak absolute nonsense on a topic just because they read something on the internet.
Feel free not to listen to them if you don't want to hear them.
People keep going on about Lily Allen, and genuinely I don't know why. I don't really bother with Twitter, I don't follow her on Facebook (or any celebrities), and I don't read tabloid papers. As a consequence, the only things I have read about Lily Allen are right here on PH, and almost nowhere else.
The same goes for most other celebrities now I think about it. I'm struggling to think of the last time I read or watched any of them airing their views.
I can only conclude that some of you must go out of your way to watch or read media containing celebrities and their views.
My advice to you all if you find it so annoying is to greatly improve the standard of media you consume, and as if by magic, 95% of celebrity gossip, celebrity news, and celebrity views will magically disappear.
Their opinion is as valid as any man in the street.
In certain cases, their views can be potentially be more valuable than yours or mine as they have the resources to travel to pretty much anywhere and witness issues around the world first hand, if they choose to. Other times they will no doubt speak absolute nonsense on a topic just because they read something on the internet.
Feel free not to listen to them if you don't want to hear them.
People keep going on about Lily Allen, and genuinely I don't know why. I don't really bother with Twitter, I don't follow her on Facebook (or any celebrities), and I don't read tabloid papers. As a consequence, the only things I have read about Lily Allen are right here on PH, and almost nowhere else.
The same goes for most other celebrities now I think about it. I'm struggling to think of the last time I read or watched any of them airing their views.
I can only conclude that some of you must go out of your way to watch or read media containing celebrities and their views.
My advice to you all if you find it so annoying is to greatly improve the standard of media you consume, and as if by magic, 95% of celebrity gossip, celebrity news, and celebrity views will magically disappear.
Edited by anonymous-user on Thursday 23 January 18:55
AJL308 said:
It's completely and utterly different. In 99% of cases celebs are saying it because they think it will help their business of being a celebrity. They are saying it for profit, essentially.
A mate of mine is in the music industry, has been since the early 1970's when he was in a notable band of the era. His opinion is that in almost all cases the celebs saying something usually don't believe what they are saying or will simply say anything as long as it gets them a few column inches. His exact words "they just say it for effect", the effect, of course, is being noticed.
99.99% of made up generalisations are generally made up 56.78% wrong half the time.A mate of mine is in the music industry, has been since the early 1970's when he was in a notable band of the era. His opinion is that in almost all cases the celebs saying something usually don't believe what they are saying or will simply say anything as long as it gets them a few column inches. His exact words "they just say it for effect", the effect, of course, is being noticed.
Edited by AJL308 on Thursday 23 January 18:08
It's no different. People, get asked to comment. With celebs they get asked more on an individual basis.
Lord Marylebone said:
Stars and celebrities are as entitled to hold, and air, their views as much as anyone else.
Their opinion is as valid as any man in the street.
In certain cases, their views can be potentially be more valuable than yours or mine as they have the resources to travel to pretty much anywhere and witness issues around the world first hand, if they choose to. Other times they will no doubt speak absolute nonsense on a topic just because they read something on the internet.
Feel free not to listen to them if you don't want to hear them.
People keep going on about Lily Allen, and genuinely I don't know why. I don't really bother with Twitter, I don't follow her on Facebook (or any celebrities), and I don't read tabloid papers. As a consequence, the only things I have read about Lily Allen are right here on PH, and almost nowhere else.
The same goes for most other celebrities now I think about it. I'm struggling to think of the last time I read or watched any of them airing their views.
I can only conclude that some of you must go out of your way to watch or read media containing celebrities and their views.
My advice to you all if you find it so annoying is to greatly improve the standard of media you consume, and as if by magic, 95% of celebrity gossip, celebrity news, and celebrity views will magically disappear.
With only the odd exception now and again, The Financial Times tends not to publish the opinions of celebrities.
What they say is of relevance though because they are able to influence people, mainly the young who are far more easily influenced. As I said above, we've had years of celebs ramping up Jeremy Corbyn to almost the level of deity with virtually no counter to it. The young, generally clueless celebrities who did their level best to make him PM have fTheir opinion is as valid as any man in the street.
In certain cases, their views can be potentially be more valuable than yours or mine as they have the resources to travel to pretty much anywhere and witness issues around the world first hand, if they choose to. Other times they will no doubt speak absolute nonsense on a topic just because they read something on the internet.
Feel free not to listen to them if you don't want to hear them.
People keep going on about Lily Allen, and genuinely I don't know why. I don't really bother with Twitter, I don't follow her on Facebook (or any celebrities), and I don't read tabloid papers. As a consequence, the only things I have read about Lily Allen are right here on PH, and almost nowhere else.
The same goes for most other celebrities now I think about it. I'm struggling to think of the last time I read or watched any of them airing their views.
I can only conclude that some of you must go out of your way to watch or read media containing celebrities and their views.
My advice to you all if you find it so annoying is to greatly improve the standard of media you consume, and as if by magic, 95% of celebrity gossip, celebrity news, and celebrity views will magically disappear.
With only the odd exception now and again, The Financial Times tends not to publish the opinions of celebrities.
k all appreciation of the absolute carnage his variety of Marxist Communism would have wrought on this country. They don't remember the effect that that sort of politics in the 70's. They have no appreciation of the fact that Corbyn had absolutely no plan to pay for any of the freebies he was going to give everyone.The kids who voted Labour at the election have no concept of what this type of political philosophy brings, the post war history of the UK is barely touched upon in schools and, much to my amazement, it appears that the whole Cold War, Iron Curtain thing isn't even mentioned. That's a disgrace and sets a very one-sided start point when people start pushing radical Marxist and Communist ideologies. When you have celebrities who are adored by these people constantly banging on about how wonderful a hard-line socialist state will be with no counter point to it at all you set yourself up for a lot of hardship in future.
AJL308 said:
Fittster said:
AJL308 said:
It's always struck me as a pretty bad idea too as whatever view you espouse you inevitably ps off other people so why bother?
Says man who posts in the NPE sub-forum.....s off other people so why bother? Europa1 said:
I'm absolutely with you regarding Lily Allen.
The apparent vitriol for Jamie Oliver I find harder to understand. Whilst his cheeky chappy persona can grate, to be fair to the guy, his campaign wasn't "against school dinners", it was to try and make them healthier and reduce childhood obesity. That has to be a good thing, surely?
As to his books, his recent ones seem more skewed towards healthy eating. Why shouldn't he be throwing together a sticky toffee pudding? From what I've seen of his shows, he's as likely to do something at the healthy end of the spectrum as unhealthy.
How dare you? Crossflow Kid has done plenty of research, obviously!The apparent vitriol for Jamie Oliver I find harder to understand. Whilst his cheeky chappy persona can grate, to be fair to the guy, his campaign wasn't "against school dinners", it was to try and make them healthier and reduce childhood obesity. That has to be a good thing, surely?
As to his books, his recent ones seem more skewed towards healthy eating. Why shouldn't he be throwing together a sticky toffee pudding? From what I've seen of his shows, he's as likely to do something at the healthy end of the spectrum as unhealthy.
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