Coronavirus - Is this the killer flu that will wipe us out?
Discussion
Nemophilist said:
V6 Pushfit said:
I think it is likely we will see a global pandemic. If a pandemic happens, 40% to 70% of people world-wide are likely to be infected in the coming year. What proportion is asymptomatic, I can't give a good number
Prof. Marc Lipsitch
Prof. of Epidemiology, Harvard School of Public Health
Head, Harvard Ctr. Communicable Disease Dynamics
Feb. 14, 2020
This is just a worst case scenario and based on the last two pandemics of 1957 and 1958 they weren’t as bad as that and they started out worse at the beginning than this has Prof. Marc Lipsitch
Prof. of Epidemiology, Harvard School of Public Health
Head, Harvard Ctr. Communicable Disease Dynamics
Feb. 14, 2020
V6 Pushfit said:
I think it is likely we will see a global pandemic. If a pandemic happens, 40% to 70% of people world-wide are likely to be infected in the coming year. What proportion is asymptomatic, I can't give a good number
Prof. Marc Lipsitch
Prof. of Epidemiology, Harvard School of Public Health
Head, Harvard Ctr. Communicable Disease Dynamics
Feb. 14, 2020
Isn't a "Pandemic" and a "Global Pandemic" the same thing?Prof. Marc Lipsitch
Prof. of Epidemiology, Harvard School of Public Health
Head, Harvard Ctr. Communicable Disease Dynamics
Feb. 14, 2020
The latter sounds so much more scary though, which suits the fearmongering.
TheJimi said:
Isn't a "Pandemic" and a "Global Pandemic" the same thing?
The latter sounds so much more scary though, which suits the fearmongering.
There are five levels of Pandemic severity index, suprised he didn't use it, he has in the past. 1 is Seasonal flu, 5 would be spanish flu.The latter sounds so much more scary though, which suits the fearmongering.
I think people don't understand Pandemics, they happen every year with seasonal flu.
Thesprucegoose said:
TheJimi said:
Isn't a "Pandemic" and a "Global Pandemic" the same thing?
The latter sounds so much more scary though, which suits the fearmongering.
There are five levels of Pandemic severity index, suprised he didn't use it, he has in the past. 1 is Seasonal flu, 5 would be spanish flu.The latter sounds so much more scary though, which suits the fearmongering.
I think people don't understand Pandemics, they happen every year with seasonal flu.
TheJimi said:
Thesprucegoose said:
TheJimi said:
Isn't a "Pandemic" and a "Global Pandemic" the same thing?
The latter sounds so much more scary though, which suits the fearmongering.
There are five levels of Pandemic severity index, suprised he didn't use it, he has in the past. 1 is Seasonal flu, 5 would be spanish flu.The latter sounds so much more scary though, which suits the fearmongering.
I think people don't understand Pandemics, they happen every year with seasonal flu.
Global Pandemic just clarifies it’s everywhere everywhere.
The cruise ship thing is the stuff of nightmares - locked away in a tiny cabin for weeks on end, effectively prisoners, doing all you can to avoid infection, doing your best to keep your spirits up, but gradually being worn down to close to breaking point, and then getting symptoms....
Ayahuasca said:
The cruise ship thing is the stuff of nightmares - locked away in a tiny cabin for weeks on end, effectively prisoners, doing all you can to avoid infection, doing your best to keep your spirits up, but gradually being worn down to close to breaking point, and then getting symptoms....
Sounds like a normal trip on the QE2 to be honest. Other than not going anywhere. Ayahuasca said:
The cruise ship thing is the stuff of nightmares - locked away in a tiny cabin for weeks on end, effectively prisoners, doing all you can to avoid infection, doing your best to keep your spirits up, but gradually being worn down to close to breaking point, and then getting symptoms....
See the video linked above, past about 6:30. Experiencing all of the things you've described, and then suddenly finding that out the Japanese authorities that are keeping you on the ship are basically Beaker meets Frank Spencer.
These people have internet connections, so they'll have doubtless seen the same video. I wouldn't be pleased in their situation either.
emperorburger said:
Are global cases still under the maximum capacity of Wembley stadium?
Global cases (discounting the Cruise Liner or China) would struggle to fill a village hall - even if you included the recoveries as well.However I fear I cannot provide a % of how much of the village hall would be filled to capacity because I am a mere mortal and such knowledge is above my pay-grade. The hospital inspector of percentile excellence will doubtless be able to make up for my mathematical deficiency.
Thankyou4calling, Terminator X, emperorburger, LandRoverManiac.
Do any of you have a history of smoking or vaping?
If you do, then likely this little fecker is going to make a bee-line for your lungs, because we'll likely all get it eventually, in a generally mild form, but if you've deliberately screwed your lungs up, you are probably a potential organ donor. If anyone wants your organs, which I doubt.
Do any of you have a history of smoking or vaping?
If you do, then likely this little fecker is going to make a bee-line for your lungs, because we'll likely all get it eventually, in a generally mild form, but if you've deliberately screwed your lungs up, you are probably a potential organ donor. If anyone wants your organs, which I doubt.
eharding said:
Thankyou4calling, Terminator X, emperorburger, LandRoverManiac.
Do any of you have a history of smoking or vaping?
If you do, then likely this little fecker is going to make a bee-line for your lungs, because we'll likely all get it eventually, in a generally mild form, but if you've deliberately screwed your lungs up, you are probably a potential organ donor. If anyone wants your organs, which I doubt.
I’ve never smoked. I’d happily go on the cruise ship. If I caught it I’d sweat it out in the sauna then hit the buffet. I’ve had worse. Do any of you have a history of smoking or vaping?
If you do, then likely this little fecker is going to make a bee-line for your lungs, because we'll likely all get it eventually, in a generally mild form, but if you've deliberately screwed your lungs up, you are probably a potential organ donor. If anyone wants your organs, which I doubt.
Thankyou4calling said:
eharding said:
Thankyou4calling, Terminator X, emperorburger, LandRoverManiac.
Do any of you have a history of smoking or vaping?
If you do, then likely this little fecker is going to make a bee-line for your lungs, because we'll likely all get it eventually, in a generally mild form, but if you've deliberately screwed your lungs up, you are probably a potential organ donor. If anyone wants your organs, which I doubt.
I’ve never smoked. I’d happily go on the cruise ship. If I caught it I’d sweat it out in the sauna then hit the buffet. I’ve had worse. Do any of you have a history of smoking or vaping?
If you do, then likely this little fecker is going to make a bee-line for your lungs, because we'll likely all get it eventually, in a generally mild form, but if you've deliberately screwed your lungs up, you are probably a potential organ donor. If anyone wants your organs, which I doubt.
eharding said:
Thankyou4calling, Terminator X, emperorburger, LandRoverManiac.
Do any of you have a history of smoking or vaping?
If you do, then likely this little fecker is going to make a bee-line for your lungs, because we'll likely all get it eventually, in a generally mild form, but if you've deliberately screwed your lungs up, you are probably a potential organ donor. If anyone wants your organs, which I doubt.
On a related serious query has anyone got any confirmation on the vaping risk; lipid pneumonia incidences in the US has increased (think there were 500 cases in the US last year) but most appear to have been due to THC/cannabis consumption. The actual number of non THC pneumonia cases seemed to be vanishingly small?Do any of you have a history of smoking or vaping?
If you do, then likely this little fecker is going to make a bee-line for your lungs, because we'll likely all get it eventually, in a generally mild form, but if you've deliberately screwed your lungs up, you are probably a potential organ donor. If anyone wants your organs, which I doubt.
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eharding said:
Thankyou4calling, Terminator X, emperorburger, LandRoverManiac.
Do any of you have a history of smoking or vaping?
If you do, then likely this little fecker is going to make a bee-line for your lungs, because we'll likely all get it eventually, in a generally mild form, but if you've deliberately screwed your lungs up, you are probably a potential organ donor. If anyone wants your organs, which I doubt.
Nope - not me. However I take your point. Do any of you have a history of smoking or vaping?
If you do, then likely this little fecker is going to make a bee-line for your lungs, because we'll likely all get it eventually, in a generally mild form, but if you've deliberately screwed your lungs up, you are probably a potential organ donor. If anyone wants your organs, which I doubt.
Allow me to explain my mirthful view of matters - which you may or may not understand.
I suffer with ME/CFS - have done since 16 (although it was diagnosed as something else at that time). My entire adult life has been living with chronic illness and its very real effects. Now this won't kill me and indeed as far as illnesses go I could think of quite a few that would be hellishly worse. However it can cripple people, it can ruin their lives in ways you cannot imagine. You either fight it with a sense of gallows humour or you cave in and convince yourself you are doomed to a wheelchair, never to leave the house or have any hope of leading a 'normal' life ever again. Fear of illness is almost as bad as the illness itself - sometimes worse.
Seeing people work themselves up into a furious frenzy of panic over an illness that has yet to affect them is one reason why I check in on the thread occasionally - call it a strange curiosity into others priorities. Some posters seem to be routing for the virus! 'What do you mean you don't take it seriously?' It's a morbid fascination with it - combined with a desire for others to stop and take notice of this new thing! How dare anyone make jokes about this deadly serious matter!'
Get a grip. Better still, get a sense of perspective and context. There are vast swathes of the population who are ill every day with no cure or hope of recovery - but because it isn't novel or newsworthy it flies under the radar.
So this virus? It is scary. It has the potential to be scarier. Do I think (in relation to my biased, jaded view of illness) I need to stop, duck and cover at the mere mention of an illness that MIGHT be lethal which I MIGHT possibly contract? No, I have more pressing and daily issues to tend to. Call it ridiculous optimism, bloody-mindedness, crass insanity, whatever - I prefer to base my views on what IS happening rather than work myself up over all the potential ways things MIGHT turn out. Covid-19 can just take a ticket and join the queue!
The soapbox is now vacant.
Now if you don't mind I eagerly await the next episode of 'PH calculations of morbidity, volume 57!'
Bloody hell - just seen the time....
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