Coronavirus - Is this the killer flu that will wipe us out?

[anonymous-user]

scottydoesntknow said:

Director of Wuhan hospital dies.

I think that is the correct title. Lets be honest here, the doctor who first highlighted the issue, died under house arrest. Now the bloke who will probably end up blamed for the death tally, dies.

Sounds like China doing what communist countries do well, cleaning up.

[otolith]

I hear they have something against bodybuilders, film directors, painters and scientists too.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-515418...

[Ridgemont]

Ridgemont said:

Globally
71 429 confirmed (2162 new)

China
70 635 confirmed (2051 new)
1772 deaths (106 new) †

Outside of China
794 confirmed (111 new) 25 countries
3 deaths

Observations on day whatever.

1) looks like the WHO has now wrapped in the Chinese data correction with a 20k jump
2) lab confirmed therefore appears to have been removed as a qualifier
3) Chinese infected numbers heavily up. Deaths down. Are they now getting to test non hospital people as the critical cases decline?
4) outside China numbers stable. No new countries announcing. Which given Africa sounds... odd.

Ding ding!

Globally
73 332 confirmed (1901 new)

China
72 528 confirmed (1891 new)
1870 deaths (98 new) †

Outside of China
804 confirmed (10 new)
25 countries
3 deaths

Observations:
China down a smidge
Hardly any new cases outside of China. Surely around now the outside China numbers should be climbing?

[Ridgemont]

They are Just about to start disembarking the non infected passengers off the Diamond Princess. Looks like that US lawyer was spot on in his assessment.

[emperorburger]

LandRoverManiac said:

emperorburger said:

Are global cases still under the maximum capacity of Wembley stadium?

Global cases (discounting the Cruise Liner or China) would struggle to fill a village hall - even if you included the recoveries as well.

However I fear I cannot provide a % of how much of the village hall would be filled to capacity because I am a mere mortal and such knowledge is above my pay-grade. The hospital inspector of percentile excellence will doubtless be able to make up for my mathematical deficiency.

[nffcforever]

Ze Germans reckon that “shedding of potentially infectious virus may occur in persons who have no fever and no signs or only minor signs of infection.”

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2001899...

[p1stonhead]

nffcforever said:

Ze Germans reckon that “shedding of potentially infectious virus may occur in persons who have no fever and no signs or only minor signs of infection.”

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2001899...

So like a cold then?

[Narcisus]

LandRoverManiac said:

Nope - not me. However I take your point.

Allow me to explain my mirthful view of matters - which you may or may not understand.

I suffer with ME/CFS - have done since 16 (although it was diagnosed as something else at that time). My entire adult life has been living with chronic illness and its very real effects. Now this won't kill me and indeed as far as illnesses go I could think of quite a few that would be hellishly worse. However it can cripple people, it can ruin their lives in ways you cannot imagine. You either fight it with a sense of gallows humour or you cave in and convince yourself you are doomed to a wheelchair, never to leave the house or have any hope of leading a 'normal' life ever again. Fear of illness is almost as bad as the illness itself - sometimes worse.

Seeing people work themselves up into a furious frenzy of panic over an illness that has yet to affect them is one reason why I check in on the thread occasionally - call it a strange curiosity into others priorities. Some posters seem to be routing for the virus! 'What do you mean you don't take it seriously?' It's a morbid fascination with it - combined with a desire for others to stop and take notice of this new thing! How dare anyone make jokes about this deadly serious matter!'

Get a grip. Better still, get a sense of perspective and context. There are vast swathes of the population who are ill every day with no cure or hope of recovery - but because it isn't novel or newsworthy it flies under the radar.

So this virus? It is scary. It has the potential to be scarier. Do I think (in relation to my biased, jaded view of illness) I need to stop, duck and cover at the mere mention of an illness that MIGHT be lethal which I MIGHT possibly contract? No, I have more pressing and daily issues to tend to. Call it ridiculous optimism, bloody-mindedness, crass insanity, whatever - I prefer to base my views on what IS happening rather than work myself up over all the potential ways things MIGHT turn out. Covid-19 can just take a ticket and join the queue!

The soapbox is now vacant.

Now if you don't mind I eagerly await the next episode of 'PH calculations of morbidity, volume 57!'

Bloody hell - just seen the time....

Good post unfortunately not likely to get much of a response on this thread ...

[Coolbananas]

Thankyou4calling said:

I’ve never smoked. I’d happily go on the cruise ship. If I caught it I’d sweat it out in the sauna then hit the buffet. I’ve had worse.

How can you possibly know you have had worse until you have actually had it to compare to previous?

I've had 'flu and various colds, I can compare. Whilst I'm confident this new virus won't be insurmountable for me either, I cannot be 100% sure for obvious reasons, its effects be they minor cold or actual 'flu like or worse are an unknown unless I get it and find out.

Since getting even a common cold bugs me, given it inhibits my training, I'm happy to avoid.

You clearly just want Internet Hard Man Brownie Points with this fake persona that fools no one or enjoy being ill so that you can get a kiss better from Mommy or something. Or both.

[Jim on the hill]

Narcisus said:

LandRoverManiac said:

Nope - not me. However I take your point.

Allow me to explain my mirthful view of matters - which you may or may not understand.

I suffer with ME/CFS - have done since 16 (although it was diagnosed as something else at that time). My entire adult life has been living with chronic illness and its very real effects. Now this won't kill me and indeed as far as illnesses go I could think of quite a few that would be hellishly worse. However it can cripple people, it can ruin their lives in ways you cannot imagine. You either fight it with a sense of gallows humour or you cave in and convince yourself you are doomed to a wheelchair, never to leave the house or have any hope of leading a 'normal' life ever again. Fear of illness is almost as bad as the illness itself - sometimes worse.

Seeing people work themselves up into a furious frenzy of panic over an illness that has yet to affect them is one reason why I check in on the thread occasionally - call it a strange curiosity into others priorities. Some posters seem to be routing for the virus! 'What do you mean you don't take it seriously?' It's a morbid fascination with it - combined with a desire for others to stop and take notice of this new thing! How dare anyone make jokes about this deadly serious matter!'

Get a grip. Better still, get a sense of perspective and context. There are vast swathes of the population who are ill every day with no cure or hope of recovery - but because it isn't novel or newsworthy it flies under the radar.

So this virus? It is scary. It has the potential to be scarier. Do I think (in relation to my biased, jaded view of illness) I need to stop, duck and cover at the mere mention of an illness that MIGHT be lethal which I MIGHT possibly contract? No, I have more pressing and daily issues to tend to. Call it ridiculous optimism, bloody-mindedness, crass insanity, whatever - I prefer to base my views on what IS happening rather than work myself up over all the potential ways things MIGHT turn out. Covid-19 can just take a ticket and join the queue!

The soapbox is now vacant.

Now if you don't mind I eagerly await the next episode of 'PH calculations of morbidity, volume 57!'

Bloody hell - just seen the time....

Good post unfortunately not likely to get much of a response on this thread ...

Agreed great post. Shall we just close this thread then?

This thread is weird I agree

Post bad news = doombringer
Post good news = ignored
Want to talk percentages = pages and pages

O and the people that like to pop in and say they aren't bothered. I might start doing that on every Porsche thread

Some people might be worrying about this a little much but I quite like hearing how Phil is saving up for a Gurkha Terradyne for the apocalypse. If he used V6's Maths he'd be there in days!

[paua]

Coolbananas said:

Thankyou4calling said:

I’ve never smoked. I’d happily go on the cruise ship. If I caught it I’d sweat it out in the sauna then hit the buffet. I’ve had worse.

How can you possibly know you have had worse until you have actually had it to compare to previous?

I've had 'flu and various colds, I can compare. Whilst I'm confident this new virus won't be insurmountable for me either, I cannot be 100% sure for obvious reasons, its effects be they minor cold or actual 'flu like or worse are an unknown unless I get it and find out.

Since getting even a common cold bugs me, given it inhibits my training, I'm happy to avoid.

You clearly just want Internet Hard Man Brownie Points with this fake persona that fools no one or enjoy being ill so that you can get a kiss better from Mommy or something. Or both.

I had a dose of swine flu towards the end of that round of troubles - wouldn't wish to repeat the experience ( no underlying issues etc ). It wasn't pleasant, so I'd prefer to avoid this, regardless of severity. In terms of transmissibility, nobody else in my family was unfortunate enough to catch it. One person locally, died.

[nffcforever]

Quite a few new cases popping up in places like South Korea now ... 20 cases today according to BNO news

[BMWBen]

Coolbananas said:

Thankyou4calling said:

I’ve never smoked. I’d happily go on the cruise ship. If I caught it I’d sweat it out in the sauna then hit the buffet. I’ve had worse.

How can you possibly know you have had worse until you have actually had it to compare to previous?

I've had 'flu and various colds, I can compare. Whilst I'm confident this new virus won't be insurmountable for me either, I cannot be 100% sure for obvious reasons, its effects be they minor cold or actual 'flu like or worse are an unknown unless I get it and find out.

Since getting even a common cold bugs me, given it inhibits my training, I'm happy to avoid.

You clearly just want Internet Hard Man Brownie Points with this fake persona that fools no one or enjoy being ill so that you can get a kiss better from Mommy or something. Or both.

I'm one of the ones likely to die if I get it - only in my 30's but on strong immunosuppressant therapy for something else. It's quite strange observing the "it doesn't matter because it only kills old people and ill people" culture, I'm sure that most of the people who feel that way wouldn't want me to die if I asked the question directly... At least I hope not.

[nffcforever]

BMWBen said:

I'm one of the ones likely to die if I get it - only in my 30's but on strong immunosuppressant therapy for something else. It's quite strange observing the "it doesn't matter because it only kills old people and ill people" culture, I'm sure that most of the people who feel that way wouldn't want me to die if I asked the question directly... At least I hope not.

Strongly agree.

I think I would be unlikely to be at risk (although I might have underlying heath problems I’m no aware of). But my Dad is elderly, smoked a lot, and has COPD.

So if everyone could please try to do their best to prevent it spreading here that would be appreciated. Cheers.

Edited by nffcforever on Wednesday 19th February 08:18

[MaxFromage]

Figures from the John Hopkins tracker WITHOUT Hubei Province:

Confirmed cases: 13,518
Deaths: 91
Recovered: 5,571

In comparison to yesterday, 172 more confirmed cases, 7 more deaths and an increase of 631 in recovered patients.

[anonymous-user]

Jim on the hill said:

If he used V6's Maths he'd be there in days!

For the 517th time it’s not my maths it’s the raw figures being released. Without political or some other random intervention to magical it to 1%.

[anonymous-user]

Now 12.5% incidentally. Still coming down but it’s going to get into higher sample figures now on the exponential curve - 12.5% obviously being based on the 16,800 ish for who a result is known.

Previous qualifications apply

[p1stonhead]

V6 Pushfit said:

Now 12.5% incidentally. Still coming down but it’s going to get into higher sample figures now on the exponential curve - 12.5% obviously being based on the 16,800 ish for who a result is known.

Previous delusions apply

EFA

[Carl_Manchester]

otolith said:

I hear they have something against bodybuilders, film directors, painters and scientists too.

average PH poster.

Higher death rates for those company directors who pay cash for everything, has paid off their mortgage, pulls triggers on steel rolex and who’s wife also drives a Boxster unconfirmed.

[anonymous-user]

p1stonhead said:

V6 Pushfit said:

Now 12.5% incidentally. Still coming down but it’s going to get into higher sample figures now on the exponential curve - 12.5% obviously being based on the 16,800 ish for who a result is known.

Previous qualifications apply

Don’t confuse me with reality

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