Coronavirus - Is this the killer flu that will wipe us out?
Discussion
nffcforever said:
Ok
The article is quite interesting in the fact itself and other people are starting to critise the Government publicly. This outbreak has shown major cracks in the ranks, and when it has died off, the ramifications for free speech in China could fuel a potential revolution..
nffcforever said:
emperorburger said:
No, I just think you are becoming more pessimistic in your outlook.
Yeah I am. The news from Iran and Italy in just the past 24-48 hrs is quite pessimistic I think. Don’t you think?emperorburger said:
nffcforever said:
emperorburger said:
No, I just think you are becoming more pessimistic in your outlook.
Yeah I am. The news from Iran and Italy in just the past 24-48 hrs is quite pessimistic I think. Don’t you think?Positivity, simply doesn't sell, apparently.
JPJPJP said:
otolith said:
I would be sceptical that any treatment while the symptoms are mild will have any effect on the outcome - suspect that's down to your physical condition and a roll of the dice.
I don't agree. I think this is why the health authorities are keen to catch it early and - to me, with a wholly unexpert eye - why the survival rate outside Wuhan is so much higher: because the people being hospitalised are in the early stages of infection.Look at the progression of the disease in this case for instance - Day 6 of hospital, day 10 of illness and BOOM, he is almost a goner
Just think what had happened if he had left it a few more days as only being a bit of a cold
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa200119...
On January 19, 2020, a 35-year-old man presented to an urgent care clinic in Snohomish County, Washington, with a 4-day history of cough and subjective fever. On admission, the patient reported persistent dry cough and a 2-day history of nausea and vomiting;
On January 20, 2020, the CDC confirmed that the patient’s nasopharyngeal and oropharyngeal swabs tested positive for 2019-nCoV
On days 2 through 5 of hospitalization (days 6 through 9 of illness), the patient’s vital signs remained largely stable, apart from the development of intermittent fevers accompanied by periods of tachycardia (Figure 2). The patient continued to report a nonproductive cough and appeared fatigued. On the afternoon of hospital day 2, the patient passed a loose bowel movement and reported abdominal discomfort. A second episode of loose stool was reported overnight;
A chest radiograph taken on hospital day 3 (illness day 7) was reported as showing no evidence of infiltrates or abnormalities
However, a second chest radiograph from the night of hospital day 5 (illness day 9) showed evidence of pneumonia in the lower lobe of the left lung (Figure 4). These radiographic findings coincided with a change in respiratory status starting on the evening of hospital day 5, when the patient’s oxygen saturation values as measured by pulse oximetry dropped to as low as 90% while he was breathing ambient air.
On day 6, the patient was started on supplemental oxygen. On hospital day 6 (illness day 10), a fourth chest radiograph showed basilar streaky opacities in both lungs, a finding consistent with atypical pneumonia
Treatment with intravenous remdesivir (a novel nucleotide analogue prodrug in development10,11) was initiated on the evening of day 7,
On hospital day 8 (illness day 12), the patient’s clinical condition improved. Supplemental oxygen was discontinued, and his oxygen saturation values improved to 94 to 96% while he was breathing ambient air. The previous bilateral lower-lobe rales were no longer present. His appetite improved
Narcisus said:
nffcforever said:
Narcisus said:
Maybe when we have more than 10 people with it .........
Yes maybe - only a matter time.
Yeah we all gonna DIE !! Only a matter of time ! Laws yes .... M.O.O.N spells MOON !! Everyone knows that ....Fair enough.
nffcforever said:
emperorburger said:
The news will always be skewed negatively as it drives clicks, therefore anything positive will always be drowned out in a sea of bad news. You are a reasonable person, however I don't feel your current mindset is doing yourself any favours.
LOL. Ok pal.JPJPJP said:
I don't agree. I think this is why the health authorities are keen to catch it early and - to me, with a wholly unexpert eye - why the survival rate outside Wuhan is so much higher: because the people being hospitalised are in the early stages of infection.
Aside from smoking/pollution related risks, has any increased susceptibility for (Chinese) Asians at a genetic level been discounted?LimSlip said:
JPJPJP said:
I don't agree. I think this is why the health authorities are keen to catch it early and - to me, with a wholly unexpert eye - why the survival rate outside Wuhan is so much higher: because the people being hospitalised are in the early stages of infection.
Aside from smoking/pollution related risks, has any increased susceptibility for Asians at a genetic level been discounted?red_slr said:
Gregmitchell said:
Italy: 13 new cases, 7 are in a critical condition, what a s
tty situation.
edit. 5 are doctors...
Any info?tty situation. edit. 5 are doctors...
Edited by Gregmitchell on Friday 21st February 17:43
5 health workers and 3 patients in the Codogno Hospital.
a couple, aged 78 and 67 years old in critical condition, in the Veneto region.
3 new cases in Italy, contacts of the cases reported earlier today near Milan, in Lombardy region. "All citizens of Castiglione d'Adda, Codogno and Casalpusterlengo are invited, as a precaution, to stay home and avoid social contacts" a regional government official said in a note.
2 new cases in Italy: the wife (a high school teacher) and friend of the previously confirmed case of a 38-year-old man near Milan, who is now in critical condition in intensive care. In early February, the man had dinner with a friend who had recently returned from China. He went to the emergency room on Feb.15 and again on Feb. 19. The friend is now undergoing tests. 2 more people are showing similar symptoms and are being tested. About 160 contacts of the man have been put under quarantine. Emergency procedures are being set in place in the firm where the man works.
otolith said:
It does feel a bit like clutching at straws, hoping that it only kills people of another race. And a bit distasteful.
Yes, it may not be particularly PC in this day and age but there is conclusive evidence that diseases such as MS or sickle cell anemia have higher instances based upon race or geographic location.Gregmitchell said:
red_slr said:
Gregmitchell said:
Italy: 13 new cases, 7 are in a critical condition, what a stty situation.
edit. 5 are doctors...
Any info?tty situation. edit. 5 are doctors...
Edited by Gregmitchell on Friday 21st February 17:43
5 health workers and 3 patients in the Codogno Hospital.
a couple, aged 78 and 67 years old in critical condition, in the Veneto region.
3 new cases in Italy, contacts of the cases reported earlier today near Milan, in Lombardy region. "All citizens of Castiglione d'Adda, Codogno and Casalpusterlengo are invited, as a precaution, to stay home and avoid social contacts" a regional government official said in a note.
2 new cases in Italy: the wife (a high school teacher) and friend of the previously confirmed case of a 38-year-old man near Milan, who is now in critical condition in intensive care. In early February, the man had dinner with a friend who had recently returned from China. He went to the emergency room on Feb.15 and again on Feb. 19. The friend is now undergoing tests. 2 more people are showing similar symptoms and are being tested. About 160 contacts of the man have been put under quarantine. Emergency procedures are being set in place in the firm where the man works.
Gregmitchell said:
In Italy 10 towns, 30,000 people, placed in precautionary voluntary quarantine. Schools, workplaces, municipal and private offices, coffee shops, and public places closed in the affected towns at least until Sunday.
5 health workers and 3 patients in the Codogno Hospital.
a couple, aged 78 and 67 years old in critical condition, in the Veneto region.
3 new cases in Italy, contacts of the cases reported earlier today near Milan, in Lombardy region. "All citizens of Castiglione d'Adda, Codogno and Casalpusterlengo are invited, as a precaution, to stay home and avoid social contacts" a regional government official said in a note.
2 new cases in Italy: the wife (a high school teacher) and friend of the previously confirmed case of a 38-year-old man near Milan, who is now in critical condition in intensive care. In early February, the man had dinner with a friend who had recently returned from China. He went to the emergency room on Feb.15 and again on Feb. 19. The friend is now undergoing tests. 2 more people are showing similar symptoms and are being tested. About 160 contacts of the man have been put under quarantine. Emergency procedures are being set in place in the firm where the man works.
It's encouraging to see that Italy are responding to the potential risk.5 health workers and 3 patients in the Codogno Hospital.
a couple, aged 78 and 67 years old in critical condition, in the Veneto region.
3 new cases in Italy, contacts of the cases reported earlier today near Milan, in Lombardy region. "All citizens of Castiglione d'Adda, Codogno and Casalpusterlengo are invited, as a precaution, to stay home and avoid social contacts" a regional government official said in a note.
2 new cases in Italy: the wife (a high school teacher) and friend of the previously confirmed case of a 38-year-old man near Milan, who is now in critical condition in intensive care. In early February, the man had dinner with a friend who had recently returned from China. He went to the emergency room on Feb.15 and again on Feb. 19. The friend is now undergoing tests. 2 more people are showing similar symptoms and are being tested. About 160 contacts of the man have been put under quarantine. Emergency procedures are being set in place in the firm where the man works.
emperorburger said:
China will eradicate the coronavirus on its territory by the end of March, the country's ambassador to Moscow has told Russian lawmakers.
Eh? They’re building 19 more temporary hospitals.https://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1180377.shtml
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