Coronavirus - Is this the killer flu that will wipe us out?
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''500 Chinese prisoners are infected with Covid-19, across three provinces. This includes 230 inmates at Wuhan’s Women’s Prison, where the director was sacked.''
https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2020/feb/21...
At least that Director survived..
https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2020/feb/21...
At least that Director survived..
Covid 19 is the illness not the virus. The virus is a coronavirus of which there are 4 currently endemic. Interestingly an epidemiologist on R4 yesterday suggested that whilst it may become pandemic it may also become endemic thus making it the 5th coronavirus to be such, with one of them being the common cold. Whether we can then build resistance is another matter!
What are the figures for death from the common cold? Who knows?
Be afraid, be very afraid. Not.
What are the figures for death from the common cold? Who knows?
Be afraid, be very afraid. Not.
Trophy Husband said:
Covid 19 is the illness not the virus. The virus is a coronavirus of which there are 4 currently endemic. Interestingly an epidemiologist on R4 yesterday suggested that whilst it may become pandemic it may also become endemic thus making it the 5th coronavirus to be such, with one of them being the common cold. Whether we can then build resistance is another matter!
What are the figures for death from the common cold? Who knows?
Be afraid, be very afraid. Not.
From what I've read, most people with a cold have a rhinovirus of which there are far more flavours than common cold coronavirus which is single figures as above. The same source mentioned that the new coronavirus isn't prone to the type of change that makes resistance to a cold short-lived and requires annual flu jabs to cope with prevalent/new strains. This would mean a vaccine for the new coronavirus, once developed/tested/ready (12-18 months from kick-off allegedly) would remain useful for a longer period of time.What are the figures for death from the common cold? Who knows?
Be afraid, be very afraid. Not.
Thesprucegoose said:
There is no 'race genetics' as much as people like to make out. Races of people are vastly diverse, take African for example,this term alone is over 3000 variances in colour and physical difference, yet genetical near enough identical to you and me.
But there is a genetic basis for resistance to many diseases and those within a certain geographical area will often share many of those same characteristics. iflscience said:
The Black Death, one of the most lethal pandemics humans have ever encountered, did not affect everyone equally. Those with certain variations of genes for the immune system were spared from contracting the plague while others with different variations died from the disease very quickly. Due to the sheer amount of people lost to the disease, those certain genetic variations were strongly advantageous and has had an impact on subsequent generations.
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The same genes that benefitted their ancestors during bouts of the plague may influence their interaction with modern diseases, as those with European ancestry have higher instances of inflammatory disorders (caused by an overactive immune system) than those whose lineage was not affected by the plague
https://www.iflscience.com/health-and-medicine/black-death-reshaped-human-genome/……………………………………………….
The same genes that benefitted their ancestors during bouts of the plague may influence their interaction with modern diseases, as those with European ancestry have higher instances of inflammatory disorders (caused by an overactive immune system) than those whose lineage was not affected by the plague
Edited by JagLover on Saturday 22 February 06:10
Our findings demonstrated the considerable bias in the naïve estimate of the case fatality ratio calculated for all diagnosed patients. Although such methods are clearly easier to describe to policy makers and the public, important biases mean that the drawbacks will always outweigh the benefits and should not be used.
A bit of sense there at last, but lost in the desperation to show a low figure that’s more palatable and easily digested by the ignorant.
A bit of sense there at last, but lost in the desperation to show a low figure that’s more palatable and easily digested by the ignorant.
Trophy Husband said:
Covid 19 is the illness not the virus. The virus is a coronavirus of which there are 4 currently endemic. Interestingly an epidemiologist on R4 yesterday suggested that whilst it may become pandemic it may also become endemic thus making it the 5th coronavirus to be such, with one of them being the common cold. Whether we can then build resistance is another matter!
What are the figures for death from the common cold? Who knows?
Be afraid, be very afraid. Not.
So by your understanding it’s a disease which is caused by something like the common cold, but kills people far easier... possibly as easily as SARS? How many times have you had a normal common cold? And you’re not remotely afraid - if not for yourself, for you loved ones? Another internet billy big balls.What are the figures for death from the common cold? Who knows?
Be afraid, be very afraid. Not.
One of the serious cases in Italy is a 37 year old athlete- was out running 3 days before being in ICU. Common cold though.
WHO: "Although the total number of COVID-19 cases outside of China remains relatively small, we are concerned about the number of cases with no clear epidemiological link, such as travel history to China or contact with a confirmed case" WHO chief
Dr. Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, Feb. 21 press briefing
Wind blown? How?
Dr. Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, Feb. 21 press briefing
Wind blown? How?
Singapore provides a lot of public info
https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/health/coro...
Worth looking carefully through the whole article, but here are a few extracts
As of noon on Friday, the MOH has identified 2,696 close contacts, with 1,122 currently quarantined. Another 1,574 have completed their quarantine.
Youngest patient is 6 months old, oldest is 79. Whilst 2 cases were discharged after 2 days, 2 cases were in hospital for 28 days. 39 still hospitalised, 5 in icu
https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/health/coro...
Worth looking carefully through the whole article, but here are a few extracts
As of noon on Friday, the MOH has identified 2,696 close contacts, with 1,122 currently quarantined. Another 1,574 have completed their quarantine.
Youngest patient is 6 months old, oldest is 79. Whilst 2 cases were discharged after 2 days, 2 cases were in hospital for 28 days. 39 still hospitalised, 5 in icu
V6 Pushfit said:
WHO: "Although the total number of COVID-19 cases outside of China remains relatively small, we are concerned about the number of cases with no clear epidemiological link, such as travel history to China or contact with a confirmed case" WHO chief
Dr. Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, Feb. 21 press briefing
Wind blown? How?
Are they fDr. Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, Feb. 21 press briefing
Wind blown? How?
king stupid? Unless they can prove none on the 1.4 billion people from China have been near, or been near someone else not from China who’s been near, that’s the link. Seems pretty f
king obvious to me! poo at Paul's said:
V6 Pushfit said:
WHO: "Although the total number of COVID-19 cases outside of China remains relatively small, we are concerned about the number of cases with no clear epidemiological link, such as travel history to China or contact with a confirmed case" WHO chief
Dr. Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, Feb. 21 press briefing
Wind blown? How?
Are they fDr. Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, Feb. 21 press briefing
Wind blown? How?
king stupid? Unless they can prove none on the 1.4 billion people from China have been near, or been near someone else not from China who’s been near, that’s the link. Seems pretty f
king obvious to me! WHO seem to be pretty ineffective.
Either way it’s going to difficult bordering on impossible to stop it getting to the UK. So the questions are when and how disruptive will it be.
BJ: it’s here now so as the death rate is 1% we’ll manage, won’t we Jeremy? The 1% all the Boffins have told us.
JH: Ah yes, about that 1%, I’ve been meaning to explain...
Either way it’s going to difficult bordering on impossible to stop it getting to the UK. So the questions are when and how disruptive will it be.
BJ: it’s here now so as the death rate is 1% we’ll manage, won’t we Jeremy? The 1% all the Boffins have told us.
JH: Ah yes, about that 1%, I’ve been meaning to explain...
Watched the doctors video (linked above) on his view on the post mortem report on a 50 something year old in Beijing I think it was. Scary stuff.
Basically your lungs slowly die whilst you remain fully conscious and generally ok other wise.
Their only hope to save you is to ventilate you, but even then they are basically just winging it on a hope that they can bring your lung function back up.
It took in this guys case roughly 48 hours for the lungs to go from poor to critical / fatal. The only other real problem the PM found was some minor liver damage, which could have been from the medication or the virus they don't know.
Those who think this is a common cold or just a runny nose are kidding themselves. If you get a bad dose of this you are f*cked.
Basically your lungs slowly die whilst you remain fully conscious and generally ok other wise.
Their only hope to save you is to ventilate you, but even then they are basically just winging it on a hope that they can bring your lung function back up.
It took in this guys case roughly 48 hours for the lungs to go from poor to critical / fatal. The only other real problem the PM found was some minor liver damage, which could have been from the medication or the virus they don't know.
Those who think this is a common cold or just a runny nose are kidding themselves. If you get a bad dose of this you are f*cked.
red_slr said:
Watched the doctors video (linked above) on his view on the post mortem report on a 50 something year old in Beijing I think it was. Scary stuff.
Basically your lungs slowly die whilst you remain fully conscious and generally ok other wise.
Their only hope to save you is to ventilate you, but even then they are basically just winging it on a hope that they can bring your lung function back up.
It took in this guys case roughly 48 hours for the lungs to go from poor to critical / fatal. The only other real problem the PM found was some minor liver damage, which could have been from the medication or the virus they don't know.
Those who think this is a common cold or just a runny nose are kidding themselves. If you get a bad dose of this you are f*cked.
That fits with the progression of the case in the USA, except that remdesivir worked: just before receiving remdesivir the patient needed ventilation and xrays were showing massive deterioration of lung condition. Next day, after remdesivir, he was up and about tucking into a big dinnerBasically your lungs slowly die whilst you remain fully conscious and generally ok other wise.
Their only hope to save you is to ventilate you, but even then they are basically just winging it on a hope that they can bring your lung function back up.
It took in this guys case roughly 48 hours for the lungs to go from poor to critical / fatal. The only other real problem the PM found was some minor liver damage, which could have been from the medication or the virus they don't know.
Those who think this is a common cold or just a runny nose are kidding themselves. If you get a bad dose of this you are f*cked.
JPJPJP said:
Singapore provides a lot of public info
https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/health/coro...
Worth looking carefully through the whole article, but here are a few extracts
As of noon on Friday, the MOH has identified 2,696 close contacts, with 1,122 currently quarantined. Another 1,574 have completed their quarantine.
Youngest patient is 6 months old, oldest is 79. Whilst 2 cases were discharged after 2 days, 2 cases were in hospital for 28 days. 39 still hospitalised, 5 in icu
Interesting about saying getting it under control but then it could just come back in from an outside country.https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/health/coro...
Worth looking carefully through the whole article, but here are a few extracts
As of noon on Friday, the MOH has identified 2,696 close contacts, with 1,122 currently quarantined. Another 1,574 have completed their quarantine.
Youngest patient is 6 months old, oldest is 79. Whilst 2 cases were discharged after 2 days, 2 cases were in hospital for 28 days. 39 still hospitalised, 5 in icu
I think if this thing really gets going, countries ‘doing well’ will be closing their borders more tightly, otherwise why bother fighting it if you’re just gonna let it in?
Maxf said:
That’s not what they are saying. They are saying they are concerned it is spreading silently and therefore in far less controllable. They aren’t saying they don’t know how the people got it... they obviously came into contact with someone with it, they just don’t know who.
Exactly. Which is why their statements that no travel restrictions were necessary three weeks ago is such horsest. And them rebuking countries that implemented it. Some support for those without it, not just worrying upsetting the Chinese economy may have been an idea.
May as well have had the Chuckle Brothers in change. Useless
V6 Pushfit said:
WHO seem to be pretty ineffective.
Either way it’s going to difficult bordering on impossible to stop it getting to the UK. So the questions are when and how disruptive will it be.
BJ: it’s here now so as the death rate is 1% we’ll manage, won’t we Jeremy? The 1% all the Boffins have told us.
JH: Ah yes, about that 1%, I’ve been meaning to explain...
Jeremy H? Either way it’s going to difficult bordering on impossible to stop it getting to the UK. So the questions are when and how disruptive will it be.
BJ: it’s here now so as the death rate is 1% we’ll manage, won’t we Jeremy? The 1% all the Boffins have told us.
JH: Ah yes, about that 1%, I’ve been meaning to explain...
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