Coronavirus - Is this the killer flu that will wipe us out?
Discussion
turbobloke said:
Crumpet said:
turbobloke said:
That's got nothing to do with tax however, whether it's tax past, present or future.
If future tax is a criterion as per the post earlier this morning, then people with conditions that are going to prevent them from working on a permanent basis would be bottom of the list. That would be ridiculous. Nearby at that end would be all public sector workers, on the basis that their taxes will always involve giving back a bit of the private sector taxes they were originally paid with. That's equally unacceptable, and from the same daft criterion for deciding treatment priorities.
Perhaps I shouldn’t have used future tax as the example. You could equally bring it down to how useful to society that person is - clearly saving a nurse is much more beneficial in a major crisis than saving someone who sells Super-yachts for a living. In that example public sector workers would possibly be valued much more than high tax payers. If future tax is a criterion as per the post earlier this morning, then people with conditions that are going to prevent them from working on a permanent basis would be bottom of the list. That would be ridiculous. Nearby at that end would be all public sector workers, on the basis that their taxes will always involve giving back a bit of the private sector taxes they were originally paid with. That's equally unacceptable, and from the same daft criterion for deciding treatment priorities.
I should stress that my opinion isn’t that we should save the high tax payers or the nurses. I was simply wondering whether there was a protocol for who to save if there ever was a catastrophe.
Paramedic
-the patient has a history of angina and is complaining of chest pains with difficulty breathing, here's an ECG
A&E Doc
-whoa, what's their age and where's their tax return history?
Hopefully that won’t happen, but if it did, someone Would have to decide who to save ?
A very difficult choice but nonetheless one that would have to be made by someone.
Better to focus on not catching it and not being “Billy Big Balls” and not flying to Wuhan for fun.
Nayche said:
Also, rather interesting and perhaps food for thought for the tin foil hat community is the outbreak in Iran. According to Wiki pages Iran has a very small Chinese population - only a few thousand. Not only is there an outbreak in various cities there seems to be high death proportionaly to cases.
Lots of Iranians go to China as they can easily buy sanction busting stuff there.Probably brought back by one or several of them.
Italy update.
WHO really do need to f
k off, totally hopeless.
38 new cases in Italy: 36 in Lombary (including a 17-year-old male in Valtellina) and 2 in Turin: a couple who visited their child at the Regina Margherita Hospital in Turin yesterday morning.
- Armed forces and police forces have been mobilized to form an insurmountable "health belt" around contagion areas. Roadblock violators risk up to a 3 months prison sentence.
- "Serious mistake was made not to quarantine people who arrived in Italy from China" said Walter Ricciardi of the WHO, adding that "within two weeks we will know if we are facing an epidemic" and advising that, for the next two weeks, people "avoid crowded places: metro, buses, trains, schools, discos, and gyms."
- "Schools will be closed in Milan for a week " said Milan's mayor Giuseppe Sala.
WHO really do need to f
k off, totally hopeless.38 new cases in Italy: 36 in Lombary (including a 17-year-old male in Valtellina) and 2 in Turin: a couple who visited their child at the Regina Margherita Hospital in Turin yesterday morning.
- Armed forces and police forces have been mobilized to form an insurmountable "health belt" around contagion areas. Roadblock violators risk up to a 3 months prison sentence.
- "Serious mistake was made not to quarantine people who arrived in Italy from China" said Walter Ricciardi of the WHO, adding that "within two weeks we will know if we are facing an epidemic" and advising that, for the next two weeks, people "avoid crowded places: metro, buses, trains, schools, discos, and gyms."
- "Schools will be closed in Milan for a week " said Milan's mayor Giuseppe Sala.
Nayche said:
Also, rather interesting and perhaps food for thought for the tin foil hat community is the outbreak in Iran. According to Wiki pages Iran has a very small Chinese population - only a few thousand. Not only is there an outbreak in various cities there seems to be high death proportionaly to cases.
Very small permanent Chinese population - officially.Very large temporary population however, as Chinese state companies have built all of Iran's new railways, roads, dams, and major infrastructure. China is Irans biggest trading partner, as well as having a military partnership and provided Iran with a lot of its tech to circumvent the sanctions placed.
Its not a massive surprise that Iran is suffering from this outbreak if the relationship between the two countries if taken into account.
schmalex said:
I’m off to hunt out my tin foil hat. I am starting to think that this isn’t a bug that has jumped species but is the result of CCP failing to contain a bio-weapon.
Countries’ reaction to cases is unprecedented, with other countries (Italy) shutting down large areas at the slightest outbreak.
Why did the repatriation flight land at Boscombe Down (of which Porton is in the same complex) yesterday and then pax transferred to the Wirral? There are closer military airstrips to Liverpool that can handle a 747. Why did the plane have a police escort on the military airfield?
The fudging of figures from CCP doesn’t nothing to ease people’s concerns
The media aren’t overplaying it (like they do with ever other bloody story!). Almost as if they are being directed to downplay it
Notwithstanding that, I still maintain that, currently, the chance of catching it is vanishingly small and the chance of succumbing to it smaller again and will not allow it to, currently, impact my actions. I travel a lot to many dodgy places and am used to taking precautions to reduce risk of infection. I will continue to take prudent health & sanitisation decisions to minimise my risk of exposure
I don't discount this. Why wouldnt this be possible. The problem with the public is people believe everything we are told and that any one who thinks different is crazy. Countries’ reaction to cases is unprecedented, with other countries (Italy) shutting down large areas at the slightest outbreak.
Why did the repatriation flight land at Boscombe Down (of which Porton is in the same complex) yesterday and then pax transferred to the Wirral? There are closer military airstrips to Liverpool that can handle a 747. Why did the plane have a police escort on the military airfield?
The fudging of figures from CCP doesn’t nothing to ease people’s concerns
The media aren’t overplaying it (like they do with ever other bloody story!). Almost as if they are being directed to downplay it
Notwithstanding that, I still maintain that, currently, the chance of catching it is vanishingly small and the chance of succumbing to it smaller again and will not allow it to, currently, impact my actions. I travel a lot to many dodgy places and am used to taking precautions to reduce risk of infection. I will continue to take prudent health & sanitisation decisions to minimise my risk of exposure
Edited by schmalex on Sunday 23 February 09:15
MaxFromage said:
Figures from the John Hopkins tracker WITHOUT Hubei Province:
Confirmed cases: 14,733
Deaths: 116
Recovered: 7,908
Now THATS a bit more reassuring - 2%. Confirmed cases: 14,733
Deaths: 116
Recovered: 7,908
Although the sand hat brigade would have it as 0.3%
So what’s going on??? Are there REALLY huge numbers with very mild symptoms who recovered? Hubei has the biggest sample size so to get to say 2% today it would have to be around 70,000 who winged it there.
m3jappa said:
I don't discount this. Why wouldnt this be possible. The problem with the public is people believe everything we are told and that any one who thinks different is crazy.
That’s very true but proves the opposite of what you’re saying. UK Public told: 2% or less, open airports, hardly any risk, no serious prep, use a bit of Kleenex
People that think otherwise: 10%, close airports, quarantine everybody, prepare. Don’t end up like Italy (see above)
schmalex said:
I’m off to hunt out my tin foil hat. I am starting to think that this isn’t a bug that has jumped species but is the result of CCP failing to contain a bio-weapon.
Why did the repatriation flight land at Boscombe Down (of which Porton is in the same complex) yesterday and then pax transferred to the Wirral? There are closer military airstrips to Liverpool that can handle a 747. Why did the plane have a police escort on the military airfield?
Please stop it with the conspiracy theories, Porton Down and Boscombe Down are NOT part of the same "complex" they are about 5 miles apart and serve completely different functions.Why did the repatriation flight land at Boscombe Down (of which Porton is in the same complex) yesterday and then pax transferred to the Wirral? There are closer military airstrips to Liverpool that can handle a 747. Why did the plane have a police escort on the military airfield?
Edited by schmalex on Sunday 23 February 09:15
As for why Boscombe, well I guess if anybody had developed symptoms on the flight it would be the best place to then quickly take them to an isolation unit which Porton does have, also not beyond reason is that the pilots and crew and probably medical personal were all from the armed services and based at Boscombe and Porton.
m3jappa said:
schmalex said:
I’m off to hunt out my tin foil hat. I am starting to think that this isn’t a bug that has jumped species but is the result of CCP failing to contain a bio-weapon.
Countries’ reaction to cases is unprecedented, with other countries (Italy) shutting down large areas at the slightest outbreak.
Why did the repatriation flight land at Boscombe Down (of which Porton is in the same complex) yesterday and then pax transferred to the Wirral? There are closer military airstrips to Liverpool that can handle a 747. Why did the plane have a police escort on the military airfield?
The fudging of figures from CCP doesn’t nothing to ease people’s concerns
The media aren’t overplaying it (like they do with ever other bloody story!). Almost as if they are being directed to downplay it
Notwithstanding that, I still maintain that, currently, the chance of catching it is vanishingly small and the chance of succumbing to it smaller again and will not allow it to, currently, impact my actions. I travel a lot to many dodgy places and am used to taking precautions to reduce risk of infection. I will continue to take prudent health & sanitisation decisions to minimise my risk of exposure
I don't discount this. Why wouldnt this be possible. The problem with the public is people believe everything we are told and that any one who thinks different is crazy. Countries’ reaction to cases is unprecedented, with other countries (Italy) shutting down large areas at the slightest outbreak.
Why did the repatriation flight land at Boscombe Down (of which Porton is in the same complex) yesterday and then pax transferred to the Wirral? There are closer military airstrips to Liverpool that can handle a 747. Why did the plane have a police escort on the military airfield?
The fudging of figures from CCP doesn’t nothing to ease people’s concerns
The media aren’t overplaying it (like they do with ever other bloody story!). Almost as if they are being directed to downplay it
Notwithstanding that, I still maintain that, currently, the chance of catching it is vanishingly small and the chance of succumbing to it smaller again and will not allow it to, currently, impact my actions. I travel a lot to many dodgy places and am used to taking precautions to reduce risk of infection. I will continue to take prudent health & sanitisation decisions to minimise my risk of exposure
Edited by schmalex on Sunday 23 February 09:15
Exige77 said:
turbobloke said:
Crumpet said:
turbobloke said:
That's got nothing to do with tax however, whether it's tax past, present or future.
If future tax is a criterion as per the post earlier this morning, then people with conditions that are going to prevent them from working on a permanent basis would be bottom of the list. That would be ridiculous. Nearby at that end would be all public sector workers, on the basis that their taxes will always involve giving back a bit of the private sector taxes they were originally paid with. That's equally unacceptable, and from the same daft criterion for deciding treatment priorities.
Perhaps I shouldn’t have used future tax as the example. You could equally bring it down to how useful to society that person is - clearly saving a nurse is much more beneficial in a major crisis than saving someone who sells Super-yachts for a living. In that example public sector workers would possibly be valued much more than high tax payers. If future tax is a criterion as per the post earlier this morning, then people with conditions that are going to prevent them from working on a permanent basis would be bottom of the list. That would be ridiculous. Nearby at that end would be all public sector workers, on the basis that their taxes will always involve giving back a bit of the private sector taxes they were originally paid with. That's equally unacceptable, and from the same daft criterion for deciding treatment priorities.
I should stress that my opinion isn’t that we should save the high tax payers or the nurses. I was simply wondering whether there was a protocol for who to save if there ever was a catastrophe.
Paramedic
-the patient has a history of angina and is complaining of chest pains with difficulty breathing, here's an ECG
A&E Doc
-whoa, what's their age and where's their tax return history?
Hopefully that won’t happen, but if it did, someone Would have to decide who to save ?
A very difficult choice but nonetheless one that would have to be made by someone.
Better to focus on not catching it and not being “Billy Big Balls” and not flying to Wuhan for fun.
Similar to when a war breaks out, some are not allowed to fight because they are needed back home to keep the war machine running
V6 Pushfit said:
Now THATS a bit more reassuring - 2%.
Although the sand hat brigade would have it as 0.3%
So what’s going on??? Are there REALLY huge numbers with very mild symptoms who recovered? Hubei has the biggest sample size so to get to say 2% today it would have to be around 70,000 who winged it there.
70000 extra people who have become infected and recovered would only represent 0.1% of the Hubei population. Given how contagious this is would that be pushing the boundaries of plausibility?Although the sand hat brigade would have it as 0.3%
So what’s going on??? Are there REALLY huge numbers with very mild symptoms who recovered? Hubei has the biggest sample size so to get to say 2% today it would have to be around 70,000 who winged it there.
m3jappa said:
schmalex said:
I’m off to hunt out my tin foil hat. I am starting to think that this isn’t a bug that has jumped species but is the result of CCP failing to contain a bio-weapon.
Countries’ reaction to cases is unprecedented, with other countries (Italy) shutting down large areas at the slightest outbreak.
Why did the repatriation flight land at Boscombe Down (of which Porton is in the same complex) yesterday and then pax transferred to the Wirral? There are closer military airstrips to Liverpool that can handle a 747. Why did the plane have a police escort on the military airfield?
The fudging of figures from CCP doesn’t nothing to ease people’s concerns
The media aren’t overplaying it (like they do with ever other bloody story!). Almost as if they are being directed to downplay it
Notwithstanding that, I still maintain that, currently, the chance of catching it is vanishingly small and the chance of succumbing to it smaller again and will not allow it to, currently, impact my actions. I travel a lot to many dodgy places and am used to taking precautions to reduce risk of infection. I will continue to take prudent health & sanitisation decisions to minimise my risk of exposure
I don't discount this. Why wouldnt this be possible. The problem with the public is people believe everything we are told and that any one who thinks different is crazy. Countries’ reaction to cases is unprecedented, with other countries (Italy) shutting down large areas at the slightest outbreak.
Why did the repatriation flight land at Boscombe Down (of which Porton is in the same complex) yesterday and then pax transferred to the Wirral? There are closer military airstrips to Liverpool that can handle a 747. Why did the plane have a police escort on the military airfield?
The fudging of figures from CCP doesn’t nothing to ease people’s concerns
The media aren’t overplaying it (like they do with ever other bloody story!). Almost as if they are being directed to downplay it
Notwithstanding that, I still maintain that, currently, the chance of catching it is vanishingly small and the chance of succumbing to it smaller again and will not allow it to, currently, impact my actions. I travel a lot to many dodgy places and am used to taking precautions to reduce risk of infection. I will continue to take prudent health & sanitisation decisions to minimise my risk of exposure
Edited by schmalex on Sunday 23 February 09:15
There are still so many questions going unanswered and so many things not making sense
Obviously we’d all rather it not be the case but it seems sensible to have it as a consideration
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