Coronavirus - Is this the killer flu that will wipe us out?
Discussion
CallMeLegend said:
People returning from Northern Italy must now self isolate - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51625733
Problem is, many people are selfish and won't bother.
Spot on, this will be what will cause the problem for the UK. You can give all the advice in the world, but all it takes is someone to decide they don't want to self isolate and need the money from their self employment, all bets are off. Problem is, many people are selfish and won't bother.
Combine that with an "I've already got it, so f*ck everyone else I'm not staying at home for their benefit" attitude (and there are plenty of them out there) and you realise it'll be literally impossible to contain the problem.
nffcforever said:
Anyone listening to Radio 5 now?
It’s just embarrassing.
Their so called experts for their virus phone in are:
1. Some guy who doesn’t sound like he knows what he’s talking about (eg. he said the virus is 100x more lethal than seasonal flu)
2. Travel writer Simon Calder who is just basically taking every opportunity to tell people to keep travelling and going on holiday.
1: Case fatality rates for past influenza pandemics have ranged from about 0.1% (1957/68) to 20% (1918). On the lower rate he's probably not far wrong?It’s just embarrassing.
Their so called experts for their virus phone in are:
1. Some guy who doesn’t sound like he knows what he’s talking about (eg. he said the virus is 100x more lethal than seasonal flu)
2. Travel writer Simon Calder who is just basically taking every opportunity to tell people to keep travelling and going on holiday.
2. Daft and of no help whatsover!
WindyCommon said:
If you have coronavirus-like symptoms, or have just returned from a quarantined town then a period of self-isolation sounds like common sense.
No-one is being told to self-isolate simply because they have just returned from northern Italy.
Correct.No-one is being told to self-isolate simply because they have just returned from northern Italy.
But people who felt like they had flu at 6:40 pm last night and then felt better this morning are probably an edge case, and should at the very least be extra careful.
nffcforever said:
WindyCommon said:
If you have coronavirus-like symptoms, or have just returned from a quarantined town then a period of self-isolation sounds like common sense.
No-one is being told to self-isolate simply because they have just returned from northern Italy.
Correct.No-one is being told to self-isolate simply because they have just returned from northern Italy.
red_slr said:
Never use the traps, can use the urinal without touching any part of my lower body.
Almost never use the toilets for starters and if I do then its always on the way out - trust me I don't want to eat food after going near the toilets.
In my 40 years on this planet I have had a gastro episode once, and it was from a can on vegetable soup!
Something else I do is inspect the cutlery before I start eating, you would be amazed how often you find food still on there - I would say 20-30% of the time they are not clean enough. Especially knifes.
Less natural immunity now? As against someone who does the opposite?Almost never use the toilets for starters and if I do then its always on the way out - trust me I don't want to eat food after going near the toilets.
In my 40 years on this planet I have had a gastro episode once, and it was from a can on vegetable soup!
Something else I do is inspect the cutlery before I start eating, you would be amazed how often you find food still on there - I would say 20-30% of the time they are not clean enough. Especially knifes.
RTB said:
When people say you can't get over flu in a day they're talking rubbish. Most flu infection doesn't even cause symptoms. We'll see if this new virus is similar in that respect.
Not sure if this was aimed at me, but (just in case it was) just to clarify that I said “Unlikely to go from having flu to feeling fine over night.”I think actually feeling like you have flu - i.e. being symptomatic and generally feeling s
t is different to being infected with flu but only developing mild cold-like symptoms, or being infected with flu but being completely asymptomatic.I’m sure there are instances of people getting infected with flu, and actually feeling like they have flu, and then feeling much better after only 12 hours or so, but I think most reasonable people would probably agree that is unlikely for most people, most of the time.
WindyCommon said:
nffcforever said:
WindyCommon said:
If you have coronavirus-like symptoms, or have just returned from a quarantined town then a period of self-isolation sounds like common sense.
No-one is being told to self-isolate simply because they have just returned from northern Italy.
Correct.No-one is being told to self-isolate simply because they have just returned from northern Italy.
WindyCommon said:
If you have coronavirus-like symptoms, or have just returned from a quarantined town then a period of self-isolation sounds like common sense.
No-one is being told to self-isolate simply because they have just returned from northern Italy.
Sadly, no. But since it is highly infectious whilst no symptoms are shown, it appears to be another load of half arsed bNo-one is being told to self-isolate simply because they have just returned from northern Italy.
ks advice. Paying lip service, that's all. I wonder if Gary C will self isolate, now? Or even call 111?
nffcforever said:
Not sure if this was aimed at me, but (just in case was) just to clarify that I said “Unlikely to go from having flu to feeling fine over night.”
I think actually feeling like you have flu - i.e. being symptomatic and generally feeling st is different to being infected with flu but only developing mild cold-like symptoms, or being infected with flu but being completely asymptomatic.
I’m sure there are instances of people getting infected with flu, and actually feeling like the have flu, and then feeling much better after only 12 hours or so, but I think most reasonable people would probably agree that is unlikely for most people, most of the time.
I think actually feeling like you have flu - i.e. being symptomatic and generally feeling s
t is different to being infected with flu but only developing mild cold-like symptoms, or being infected with flu but being completely asymptomatic.I’m sure there are instances of people getting infected with flu, and actually feeling like the have flu, and then feeling much better after only 12 hours or so, but I think most reasonable people would probably agree that is unlikely for most people, most of the time.
It wasn't aimed at you, it was aimed at the perception that any flu infection leads to a week in bed hovering close to death. All of the serological studies indicate that at least 2/3 of flu infections don't result in any symptoms and of the remaining third most of them are very mild. In other words, it's quite possible to have a flu infection and the only symptoms would be a slightly raised temperature and a bit of fatigue for a 12-24 hours. In fact, going off the serological data most reasonable people
would expect that most of the time a flu infection wouldn't result in disease that lasts multiple days.https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/03/1403...
when it does start spreading in the UK ie via a school, major city etc and i believe it will - what is the likely reaction of the govt?
1) Suspend all travel/schools/public transport try to limit the spread? ie major action that will disrupt the country.
or
2) carry on as normal but with advice of washing hands and hygiene and treating serious cases? trying to limit disruption to normal life in the country.
My concern is that if option 2 happens (which I think may be the only real option for various reasons) will be then as others has posted as how ill does this make the general public? how quickly could our A &E get overloaded?
Food supplies - how will this affect that aspect for either option?
1) Suspend all travel/schools/public transport try to limit the spread? ie major action that will disrupt the country.
or
2) carry on as normal but with advice of washing hands and hygiene and treating serious cases? trying to limit disruption to normal life in the country.
My concern is that if option 2 happens (which I think may be the only real option for various reasons) will be then as others has posted as how ill does this make the general public? how quickly could our A &E get overloaded?
Food supplies - how will this affect that aspect for either option?
nffcforever said:
Anyone listening to Radio 5 now?
It’s just embarrassing.
Their so called experts for their virus phone in are:
1. Some guy who doesn’t sound like he knows what he’s talking about (eg. he said the virus is 100x more lethal than seasonal flu)
2. Travel writer Simon Calder who is just basically taking every opportunity to tell people to keep travelling and going on holiday.
Simon Calder... the travel agent offering health advice for a major globally virus outbreak... well done BBC! It’s just embarrassing.
Their so called experts for their virus phone in are:
1. Some guy who doesn’t sound like he knows what he’s talking about (eg. he said the virus is 100x more lethal than seasonal flu)
2. Travel writer Simon Calder who is just basically taking every opportunity to tell people to keep travelling and going on holiday.
superlightr said:
when it does start spreading in the UK ie via a school, major city etc and i believe it will - what is the likely reaction of the govt?
1) Suspend all travel/schools/public transport try to limit the spread? ie major action that will disrupt the country.
or
2) carry on as normal but with advice of washing hands and hygiene and treating serious cases? trying to limit disruption to normal life in the country.
My concern is that if option 2 happens (which I think may be the only real option for various reasons) will be then as others has posted as how ill does this make the general public? how quickly could our A &E get overloaded?
Food supplies - how will this affect that aspect for either option?
They will have to close schools if there is a "hot spot" IMHO. Imagine if a kid gets sick and dies, they are going to get sued big time.1) Suspend all travel/schools/public transport try to limit the spread? ie major action that will disrupt the country.
or
2) carry on as normal but with advice of washing hands and hygiene and treating serious cases? trying to limit disruption to normal life in the country.
My concern is that if option 2 happens (which I think may be the only real option for various reasons) will be then as others has posted as how ill does this make the general public? how quickly could our A &E get overloaded?
Food supplies - how will this affect that aspect for either option?
I then think we will see restrictions on public gatherings, like football matches etc in that area.
Work life, honestly I think they will leave that as long as they can. If its a big cluster - i.e hundreds then I can see them imposing a full lock down exactly like Italy.
By that time its probably too late anyway but at least they can say they did everything they could whilst not disrupting normal life.
The strange thing in Italy is they have reported virtually no new cases for the last 12 hours.
Dr on sky news explaining that these diseases keep on coming from the Far East and mentioned transfer from bats to humans and it’s centred around a market.
Assuming the centre of outbreak was Wuhan then it also houses this place
https://www.nature.com/news/inside-the-chinese-lab...
There has been a recent edit to the page stating there’s no evidence that it’s involved.
Assuming the centre of outbreak was Wuhan then it also houses this place
https://www.nature.com/news/inside-the-chinese-lab...
There has been a recent edit to the page stating there’s no evidence that it’s involved.
Fatball said:
Dr on sky news explaining that these diseases keep on coming from the Far East and mentioned transfer from bats to humans and it’s centred around a market.
Assuming the centre of outbreak was Wuhan then it also houses this place
https://www.nature.com/news/inside-the-chinese-lab...
There has been a recent edit to the page stating there’s no evidence that it’s involved.
Isn’t this very old news discussed weeks ago on here ? Assuming the centre of outbreak was Wuhan then it also houses this place
https://www.nature.com/news/inside-the-chinese-lab...
There has been a recent edit to the page stating there’s no evidence that it’s involved.
king arthur said:
red_slr said:
can use the urinal without touching any part of my lower body.
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