Coronavirus - Is this the killer flu that will wipe us out?

[Ructions]

Gregmitchell said:

I got the flu twice in 17/18 so I concur those stats! Honestly the worst illness I’ve ever had!

I'm just getting over the flu, cannot describe how bad I felt over the last few days. What started off as what I thought was a cold after flying last week, I always seem to pick something up after flying, turned out to be a horrible few days.

[Ayahuasca]

red_slr said:

jacobingonzo said:

some might think this is the real reason the WHO are reluctant to declare a pandemic? cant have all those private investors losing their money on these bonds that have made them squillions since 2017!!


https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-019-02415-9

Wow so July 2020 all of a sudden it will be a pandemic!

Very bad timing if it is declared a pandemic before July.

[SpeedMattersNot]

A friend of mine flew back from Venice last week. She's fine but was contacted by the airline company and she also contacted 111 and it resulted in a medical professional coming round to take swabs and advised to stay inside for the next 10 days.

Still OK to send children to school and partner to work etc. Mixed messages, perhaps.

[eharding]

Telegraph: Mass coronavirus testing to be launched in Britain to uncover how far disease has spread

Finally.

The UK testing capacity was supposed to have been at 1000+ a day by now, and yet they seem to be testing less than 300 a day (repeat tests may increase this figure). I'd say if they start testing particularly severe hospitalised pneumonia cases on a random basis, they'll start finding new covid-19 infections. The downside is that it would instantly send whatever hospital they are found in into a full-on meltdown.

[Jim on the hill]

Gareth79 said:

Harpoon said:

magpie215 said:

Good friends of ours have a son & partner who work in Hong Kong. Apparently there's a major shortage of toilet roll, so they are posting it over from the UK. However, it's liable to get nicked en-route if ID'd so they have to take the cardboard roll out the middle and flatten it, then wrap it in old clothes to hide it!

Toilet paper is disgusting in general, I have a bidet toilet seat and get through about 2 rolls a year.

Interesting. How does that work with blowing your nose? Blast it in one nostril and spray it back in the toilet with the other?

[jshell]

Ructions said:

I'm just getting over the flu, cannot describe how bad I felt over the last few days. What started off as what I thought was a cold after flying last week, I always seem to pick something up after flying, turned out to be a horrible few days.

Air vents. Always close aeroplane air vents!

[poo at Paul's]

Ructions said:

I'm just getting over the flu, cannot describe how bad I felt over the last few days. What started off as what I thought was a cold after flying last week, I always seem to pick something up after flying, turned out to be a horrible few days.

How do you know it was ‘the flu’? Where had you flown?

[Benni]

Two new sick people in Germany, not connected to the Webasto company in bavaria.

"Light and Building" trade fair in Frankfurt postponed to September.

[Ructions]

poo at Paul's said:

Ructions said:

I'm just getting over the flu, cannot describe how bad I felt over the last few days. What started off as what I thought was a cold after flying last week, I always seem to pick something up after flying, turned out to be a horrible few days.

How do you know it was ‘the flu’? Where had you flown?

Madrid. Two days last week.

[isaldiri]

Ructions said:

poo at Paul's said:

Ructions said:

I'm just getting over the flu, cannot describe how bad I felt over the last few days. What started off as what I thought was a cold after flying last week, I always seem to pick something up after flying, turned out to be a horrible few days.

How do you know it was ‘the flu’? Where had you flown?

Madrid. Two days last week.

The covid19 inquisitors are going to be out to get you....

[Pericoloso]

isaldiri said:

Ructions said:

poo at Paul's said:

Ructions said:

I'm just getting over the flu, cannot describe how bad I felt over the last few days. What started off as what I thought was a cold after flying last week, I always seem to pick something up after flying, turned out to be a horrible few days.

How do you know it was ‘the flu’? Where had you flown?

Madrid. Two days last week.

The covid19 inquisitors are going to be out to get you....

no one expected the Spanish inquisitors........

[eharding]

isaldiri said:

Ructions said:

poo at Paul's said:

Ructions said:

I'm just getting over the flu, cannot describe how bad I felt over the last few days. What started off as what I thought was a cold after flying last week, I always seem to pick something up after flying, turned out to be a horrible few days.

How do you know it was ‘the flu’? Where had you flown?

Madrid. Two days last week.

The covid19 inquisitors are going to be out to get you....

He'll be fine. As long as he didn't have an unexplained desire to sleep the wrong way up in the bed, or the urge to curl into a ball when feeling threatened, it probably isn't covid-19. Trust me.

[TheJimi]

eharding said:

Telegraph: Mass coronavirus testing to be launched in Britain to uncover how far disease has spread

Finally.

The UK testing capacity was supposed to have been at 1000+ a day by now, and yet they seem to be testing less than 300 a day (repeat tests may increase this figure). I'd say if they start testing particularly severe hospitalised pneumonia cases on a random basis, they'll start finding new covid-19 infections. The downside is that it would instantly send whatever hospital they are found in into a full-on meltdown.

Thing is, at just shy of 7k tests so far, surely you'd have expected cases to be unearthed if it was already widespread here?

[eharding]

TheJimi said:

eharding said:

Telegraph: Mass coronavirus testing to be launched in Britain to uncover how far disease has spread

Finally.

The UK testing capacity was supposed to have been at 1000+ a day by now, and yet they seem to be testing less than 300 a day (repeat tests may increase this figure). I'd say if they start testing particularly severe hospitalised pneumonia cases on a random basis, they'll start finding new covid-19 infections. The downside is that it would instantly send whatever hospital they are found in into a full-on meltdown.

Thing is, at just shy of 7k tests so far, surely you'd have expected cases to be unearthed if it was already widespread here?

You would have thought so, but as I understand it they have just been testing those that are suspected to have been in contact with known cases or in high risk areas, rather than any apparently unrelated cases of severe pneumonia across the country. I might well be wrong though.

The trouble is that if you do suddenly find that a few random fatal hospitalised pneumonia cases across the country test positive for covid-19, given the current approach of shutting everything down and hosing it with bleach for 14 days, you could see a significant hit to hospital capacity before this thing has even really kicked off.

I don't know what the answer is. I do know that Matt Hancock shouldn't be worried. He should be absolutely cacking himself.

Edited by eharding on Wednesday 26th February 00:15

[poo at Paul's]

Ructions said:

poo at Paul's said:

Ructions said:

I'm just getting over the flu, cannot describe how bad I felt over the last few days. What started off as what I thought was a cold after flying last week, I always seem to pick something up after flying, turned out to be a horrible few days.

How do you know it was ‘the flu’? Where had you flown?

Madrid. Two days last week.

Be careful with it. Few cases in Spain. And you have to wonder how clean the airports and planes are, conflicting reports as to how long it can survive on surfaces but seems quite robust, more so than flu.

Edited by poo at Paul's on Wednesday 26th February 00:31

[Gandahar]

The major issue is that not only can it be transferred human to human but it can be done so before symptoms occur so quarranteen procedures are ineffective.

Luckily it is rather mild. If it mutates though, cough...

Pardon the pun.

The way it has spread to Italy and also Iran shows how good cheap air travel is nowadays.

[Gromm]

eharding said:

Telegraph: Mass coronavirus testing to be launched in Britain to uncover how far disease has spread

Finally.

The UK testing capacity was supposed to have been at 1000+ a day by now, and yet they seem to be testing less than 300 a day (repeat tests may increase this figure). I'd say if they start testing particularly severe hospitalised pneumonia cases on a random basis, they'll start finding new covid-19 infections. The downside is that it would instantly send whatever hospital they are found in into a full-on meltdown.

China is currently investigating what appears as an asymptomatic p2p COVID-19 transmission by a carrier who showed negative initial DNA (RT-PCR) and chest CT results.

[Ayahuasca]

What is the latest from Wuhan? The eye of the news seems to have swivelled away from China and focused on Italy and Spain.

[Leylandeye]

Ructions said:

Gregmitchell said:

I got the flu twice in 17/18 so I concur those stats! Honestly the worst illness I’ve ever had!

I'm just getting over the flu, cannot describe how bad I felt over the last few days. What started off as what I thought was a cold after flying last week, I always seem to pick something up after flying, turned out to be a horrible few days.

Over my lifetime, I've had colds and occasionally bad colds. Flu, only once and it knocked me out solid for 2 weeks and wasn't fully recovered after 4.

I hear people talk of "only flu" but when flu or a bad cold turn to pneumonia, it is can be very bad even for those who were healthy. It really wouldn't take much to become life threatening.

The cliche "I felt I could have died" is not an exaggeration.

An ex work colleague was 50 and a smoker when he got similar and I'm not sure if he would have survived without hospitalisation.

To anyone who just identifies flu as a bad cold, the current reporting and response from some in this thread may seem OTT and it probably is but people have and will die from this who otherwise wouldn't have.

As for "prepping", the prepping isn't to try to avoid getting it, it's to have supplies available if you do end up getting poorly and if services/supplies get affected from many being told not to go to work as some people already have.

I also don't buy the "I'm alright Jack attitude". You may be well equipped to fight it off but what about the people who you will pass it to who are also well equipped but then pass it on to others who aren't.

You can't do much about that but at least try to limit our transmission of it to others.

The problem is that in doing so, there is a knock on effect.

I am trying to avoid publuc places, travel etc but multiply that by the population affected and surely it impacts the economy. So my use of probably above is probably misjudged..

[Leylandeye]

Ayahuasca said:

red_slr said:

jacobingonzo said:

some might think this is the real reason the WHO are reluctant to declare a pandemic? cant have all those private investors losing their money on these bonds that have made them squillions since 2017!!


https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-019-02415-9

Wow so July 2020 all of a sudden it will be a pandemic!

Very bad timing if it is declared a pandemic before July.

Not sure if I'm tired or just thick but would someone kindly sum this up assuming it's the latter?

Edited by Leylandeye on Wednesday 26th February 04:30