Coronavirus - Is this the killer flu that will wipe us out?
Discussion
EddieSteadyGo said:
poo at Paul's said:
Public Health England Medical Director now saying this morning that if you are returning from ANY AFFECTED COUNTRY (not area), you should self isolate for 2 weeks.
Do you have link to the source of this statement please?poo at Paul's said:
p1stonhead said:
That’s f
king bullst though isn’t it. If they want people from any of those countries to self isolate, why not stop flights from them?
Oh no, crack on going to them, but deal with it yourself when you get home.
People won’t stop travelling around Europe unless the government stops them. Millions do it every day just as part of their days work.
Exactly, it is just paying lip service to it all. king bullst though isn’t it. If they want people from any of those countries to self isolate, why not stop flights from them?Oh no, crack on going to them, but deal with it yourself when you get home.
People won’t stop travelling around Europe unless the government stops them. Millions do it every day just as part of their days work.
Reports now coming out that for the last few weeks, grey exporters have been buying UK stocks of HIV drugs and Anti Malaria drugs, and stocks are now very low. Our wonderful Govt, once they go the crucial bagged coal ban out of the way, (phew) have just stepped in to ban such grey export sales!
And now, finally a Cobra meeting being called.
f
king wkers
Day off work and Dr Hilary is on TV saying this is simply a more virulent form of a flu and that most normal healthy people will get over it much like flu but much like flu there are people who are ill or with compromised immune systems that will suffer or worse.
He’s quite chilled about it.
Ultimately, Dr Hilary says it’s going to be okay.
He’s quite chilled about it.
Ultimately, Dr Hilary says it’s going to be okay.
Fatball said:
Day off work and Dr Hilary is on TV saying this is simply a more virulent form of a flu and that most normal healthy people will get over it much like flu but much like flu there are people who are ill or with compromised immune systems that will suffer or worse.
He’s quite chilled about it.
Ultimately, Dr Hilary says it’s going to be okay.
He's understating it, clearly, but he's not entirely wrong either.He’s quite chilled about it.
Ultimately, Dr Hilary says it’s going to be okay.
Must admit I am concerned. Whilst my work trip to S Korea has not officially been canned I feel sure it will be. More worrying is that my wife and I both work in education, going into multiple schools a week. Both of us have already come into contact with several kids having come back from skiing holidays, several in northern Italy. My daughter's school is likely the same. I can't see any way this can't spread like wildfire.
Prizam said:
Looking at the news today, I do believe we are now firmly in pandemic territory.
What can we do... I don't know? We are a month or so outside of needing a bunker, not that I have one. And locking up inside the house would be seen as a bit "nuts". To be honest, right now it would be. But its the only thing on the table.
If we leave "lockdown" until the last moment, then we have a good chance you will have already caught it.
I agree this WILL become far more widespread.What can we do... I don't know? We are a month or so outside of needing a bunker, not that I have one. And locking up inside the house would be seen as a bit "nuts". To be honest, right now it would be. But its the only thing on the table.
If we leave "lockdown" until the last moment, then we have a good chance you will have already caught it.
Schools have to act with caution hence them closing down and eventually i think public transport will see some restrictions.
Obviously i hope i'm wrong but as has been previously mentioned this is a bigger problem than we realise
poo at Paul's said:
EddieSteadyGo said:
poo at Paul's said:
Public Health England Medical Director now saying this morning that if you are returning from ANY AFFECTED COUNTRY (not area), you should self isolate for 2 weeks.
Do you have link to the source of this statement please?poo at Paul's said:
This is all entirely predictable, and very much now closing the stable door, our Govt, the WHO, PHE are fking useless wkers.
I think that’s a bit unfair. They’ve an eye on the damage the virus does to people but also an eye on the damage a total lockdown would do to the world economy. It wouldn’t surprise me if they’ve done calculations to work out what CFR is acceptable without causing economic turmoil. It will all come down to money. king useless wkers. Edited by poo at Paul's on Wednesday 26th February 09:08
Probably better to have a certain percentage of your (elderly in this case) population dying than suffer the carnage that would ensue if food supply lines got broken and world trade ground to a halt.
I do agree that they should’ve locked down China right at the start, though. But I think the Chinese themselves are to blame for that.
Abbott said:
Must be serious now. Here in France organisation we have been told to stop shaking hands and kissing in the morning. That is a big thing here.
That is a big thing, even the ambulance staff shake every one’s hands or fist bump when they attend an emergency at our work in France before attending to the patient.Was just listening to someone at work moaning that the government arent doing enough about this and the NHS isn't geared up for it and it should be, cant understand why it isnt planned and prepared for.
Sounds to me like the same moans about us not having fleets of snow ploughs in every town for the occasional couple of inches of wet snow. There is no way every eventuality can be
If this takes hold properly, the procedure will be to get ill and either die from it or get better, potentially with no medical intervention like happened in the pre NHS days, the NHS is huge and works amazingly well but we tend to rely a bit too much on it in a lot of cases. It is a victim of its own success in a lot of ways.
My grandparents on my mums side both lived until their early nineties but the medical intervention to get them there was astounding, plus they seemed to have total and complete faith in the medical profession to keep them going indefinitely. So many of us play fast and loose with booze, drugs, food, doing stupid stuff and just getting old knowing we will get patched up or given some pills, but we need to realise its all dependent on normal demand.
I think we are very isolated from death and illness by and large, I know a lot of people live with conditions but by and large we just carry on with that security we will get looked after, this is rattling people as we know its already overloaded and its a new threat that we haven't quantified properly.
We are probably more likely to die from the usual suspects like heart attacks, accidents, cancer etc than this but you have to go sometimes I guess, but worth taking some precautions. Amazes me how many folk scuttle out of a toilet stall without washing hands, I mean whats that about ? Coronavirus aside, playing Russian Roulette with all sorts of nasties.
If it takes hold then I will ensure I work from home, will avoid the gym and just try to keep a low profile and minimise interactions and travel, just common sense stuff.
My worry is my kids, not concerned about us or parents, my middle lad was on the phone to us last night making arrangements for attending a funeral of a his brothers mate who died aged 22 from Meningitis, cant get my head round older generations dying but a young man in his prime with so much going on just seems so unfair, not ashamed to admit I was welling up about that.
Sounds to me like the same moans about us not having fleets of snow ploughs in every town for the occasional couple of inches of wet snow. There is no way every eventuality can be
If this takes hold properly, the procedure will be to get ill and either die from it or get better, potentially with no medical intervention like happened in the pre NHS days, the NHS is huge and works amazingly well but we tend to rely a bit too much on it in a lot of cases. It is a victim of its own success in a lot of ways.
My grandparents on my mums side both lived until their early nineties but the medical intervention to get them there was astounding, plus they seemed to have total and complete faith in the medical profession to keep them going indefinitely. So many of us play fast and loose with booze, drugs, food, doing stupid stuff and just getting old knowing we will get patched up or given some pills, but we need to realise its all dependent on normal demand.
I think we are very isolated from death and illness by and large, I know a lot of people live with conditions but by and large we just carry on with that security we will get looked after, this is rattling people as we know its already overloaded and its a new threat that we haven't quantified properly.
We are probably more likely to die from the usual suspects like heart attacks, accidents, cancer etc than this but you have to go sometimes I guess, but worth taking some precautions. Amazes me how many folk scuttle out of a toilet stall without washing hands, I mean whats that about ? Coronavirus aside, playing Russian Roulette with all sorts of nasties.
If it takes hold then I will ensure I work from home, will avoid the gym and just try to keep a low profile and minimise interactions and travel, just common sense stuff.
My worry is my kids, not concerned about us or parents, my middle lad was on the phone to us last night making arrangements for attending a funeral of a his brothers mate who died aged 22 from Meningitis, cant get my head round older generations dying but a young man in his prime with so much going on just seems so unfair, not ashamed to admit I was welling up about that.
Was just listening to someone at work moaning that the government arent doing enough about this and the NHS isn't geared up for it and it should be, cant understand why it isnt planned and prepared for.
Sounds to me like the same moans about us not having fleets of snow ploughs in every town for the occasional couple of inches of wet snow. There is no way every eventuality can be
If this takes hold properly, the procedure will be to get ill and either die from it or get better, potentially with no medical intervention like happened in the pre NHS days, the NHS is huge and works amazingly well but we tend to rely a bit too much on it in a lot of cases. It is a victim of its own success in a lot of ways.
My grandparents on my mums side both lived until their early nineties but the medical intervention to get them there was astounding, plus they seemed to have total and complete faith in the medical profession to keep them going indefinitely. So many of us play fast and loose with booze, drugs, food, doing stupid stuff and just getting old knowing we will get patched up or given some pills, but we need to realise its all dependent on normal demand.
I think we are very isolated from death and illness by and large, I know a lot of people live with conditions but by and large we just carry on with that security we will get looked after, this is rattling people as we know its already overloaded and its a new threat that we haven't quantified properly.
We are probably more likely to die from the usual suspects like heart attacks, accidents, cancer etc than this but you have to go sometimes I guess, but worth taking some precautions. Amazes me how many folk scuttle out of a toilet stall without washing hands, I mean whats that about ? Coronavirus aside, playing Russian Roulette with all sorts of nasties.
If it takes hold then I will ensure I work from home, will avoid the gym and just try to keep a low profile and minimise interactions and travel, just common sense stuff.
My worry is my kids, not concerned about us or parents, my middle lad was on the phone to us last night making arrangements for attending a funeral of a his brothers mate who died aged 22 from Meningitis, cant get my head round older generations dying but a young man in his prime with so much going on just seems so unfair, not ashamed to admit I was welling up about that.
Sounds to me like the same moans about us not having fleets of snow ploughs in every town for the occasional couple of inches of wet snow. There is no way every eventuality can be
If this takes hold properly, the procedure will be to get ill and either die from it or get better, potentially with no medical intervention like happened in the pre NHS days, the NHS is huge and works amazingly well but we tend to rely a bit too much on it in a lot of cases. It is a victim of its own success in a lot of ways.
My grandparents on my mums side both lived until their early nineties but the medical intervention to get them there was astounding, plus they seemed to have total and complete faith in the medical profession to keep them going indefinitely. So many of us play fast and loose with booze, drugs, food, doing stupid stuff and just getting old knowing we will get patched up or given some pills, but we need to realise its all dependent on normal demand.
I think we are very isolated from death and illness by and large, I know a lot of people live with conditions but by and large we just carry on with that security we will get looked after, this is rattling people as we know its already overloaded and its a new threat that we haven't quantified properly.
We are probably more likely to die from the usual suspects like heart attacks, accidents, cancer etc than this but you have to go sometimes I guess, but worth taking some precautions. Amazes me how many folk scuttle out of a toilet stall without washing hands, I mean whats that about ? Coronavirus aside, playing Russian Roulette with all sorts of nasties.
If it takes hold then I will ensure I work from home, will avoid the gym and just try to keep a low profile and minimise interactions and travel, just common sense stuff.
My worry is my kids, not concerned about us or parents, my middle lad was on the phone to us last night making arrangements for attending a funeral of a his brothers mate who died aged 22 from Meningitis, cant get my head round older generations dying but a young man in his prime with so much going on just seems so unfair, not ashamed to admit I was welling up about that.
seapod said:
I'm due to fly to Tenerife on Friday for a week. Same resort, hotel about 500m from the one in lockdown.
What to do?
1) Don't go. Will lose cost of holiday and appear a total wuss. Unless FCO advise against travel, insurance does not cover 'my choice to skip going'
2) Go, but face potential restrictions while there which will make it a ballache and rather restrictive.
3) Assuming we are fine while there, I have asked my work for advice on what they would want me to do on my return from a (likely to be) infected area. They responded with '2 weeks self isolation, but as we are super busy we really need you in on Monday 9th so it would be better if you didn't go!'
It's a tricky one... I am gebuinely in a quandary.
There are still thousands of Brits flying back and forth to Tenerife every day without a care. But perhaps your average Canary Islands package vacationer is tougher than the typical posho skiing in the Aosta valley at half term.
Or 6 pints of Stella at 6am at Luton Airport is regarded to be an effective countermeasure.
Based on what is going on (check it out on Sky or BBC), I'd not be going anywhere near if it were me. It is a shame if you lose money from the cancellation, but at present, the hotel that is on lockdown, is having to send new guests elsewhere, so if that happens at your hotel too, you could end up anywhere! What to do?
1) Don't go. Will lose cost of holiday and appear a total wuss. Unless FCO advise against travel, insurance does not cover 'my choice to skip going'
2) Go, but face potential restrictions while there which will make it a ballache and rather restrictive.
3) Assuming we are fine while there, I have asked my work for advice on what they would want me to do on my return from a (likely to be) infected area. They responded with '2 weeks self isolation, but as we are super busy we really need you in on Monday 9th so it would be better if you didn't go!'
It's a tricky one... I am gebuinely in a quandary.
There are still thousands of Brits flying back and forth to Tenerife every day without a care. But perhaps your average Canary Islands package vacationer is tougher than the typical posho skiing in the Aosta valley at half term.
Or 6 pints of Stella at 6am at Luton Airport is regarded to be an effective countermeasure.
Looking at the pics of people hanging out of their balcony windows, confined to rooms, it looks like misery. Realistically, would you like to get caught up in any of that, or even caught up on the plane back with people who've been confined to a hotel for 2 weeks? Look at what happened on the cruise ship?
Maybe ask work if they would consider reimbursing you some of your holiday cost if you dont take it and don't have to self isolate later so you can work? IF of course, your insurance does not kick in.
rxe said:
It would amaze me if people aren’t on the London Tube right now, with this virus. London airports are massive transit points, and a huge number of people get off ‘planes and onto public transport.
I suspect the government know this, even if they can’t prove it. They can’t prove it because the people getting off the ‘planes have no idea they are infected.
Do I think there are hospitals full of of sick people that we aren’t being told about - no, that would be fking stupid.
I suspect the government know this, even if they can’t prove it. They can’t prove it because the people getting off the ‘planes have no idea they are infected.
Do I think there are hospitals full of of sick people that we aren’t being told about - no, that would be f
king stupid. Just a theory, but… the tube especially is not really used very much by more elderly people (IME). The same is perhaps true, but to a lesser degree, for buses, taxis etc in *central* London, and other attractions and other locations in central London, which you might expect most Chinese tourists and other potential importers of the virus to frequent.
So, potentially, relatively young Chinese people, who may have been infected, could have been circulating around central London and other cities in the UK, but they may not have been typically coming into contact with too many people who would be more likely to develop serious illness if they caught the virus.
Some relatively young and fit people on the tube could have then caught the virus from relatively young and fit Chinese tourists (or other importers), and a large proportion of both sets of people may only have then developed very mild illness (it at all).
But, the young and fit Londoners using the tube, who may have then been infected, could then (after the incubation period) be starting to infect others around them, and some of the people they come into contact with and pass it onto may be more likely to develop serious illness if they then caught the virus (eg more elderly relatives).
This is just a theory - a lot of if/but/maybe - however, I wonder if something along these lines could be part of the reason why we aren’t seeing more cases here yet.
i.e. Maybe it just hasn’t yet filtered through into the type of people who get sick enough to cause them to seek medical attention.
And maybe the type of people that don’t get sick enough to cause them to seek medical attention have been getting infected (eg. on the tube), but because they have no reason to call 111 (not been to China etc, not knowingly been in contact with anyone, think it’s just an annoying cough) the infections just haven’t been detected.
Perhaps, the cases will only be detected when it filters through into the types of people who end up having no choice but to seek medical attention - they get tested, then they trace it back as far as the young relative who works in central London, takes the tube every day, and was feeling a bit under the weather a few weeks ago, but didn't think much of it when he went to visit his grand parents.
EddieSteadyGo said:
poo at Paul's said:
Public Health England Medical Director now saying this morning that if you are returning from ANY AFFECTED COUNTRY (not area), you should self isolate for 2 weeks.
Do you have link to the source of this statement please?red_slr said:
EddieSteadyGo said:
poo at Paul's said:
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