Coronavirus - Is this the killer flu that will wipe us out?
Discussion
Graveworm said:
Gary C said:
In what way.
Obviously the virus can pass through easily. I suppose it could catch some droplets of fluid, but then it will hold them in your face until they evaporate enough for the virus to be breathed in.
Depends on the mask. Most people are wearing surgical masks etc which do very little to protect them but protect others from them which can still help a lot with containment. Obviously the virus can pass through easily. I suppose it could catch some droplets of fluid, but then it will hold them in your face until they evaporate enough for the virus to be breathed in.
A proper N95 respirator can help protect the wearer.
t wearing them.... dandarez said:
philv said:
Jimboka said:
V6 Pushfit said:
10126 Torino said:
Can we get back on topic ? thanks....
Picked up some masks today - four bloody quid each and they’re £2.20 on eBay from ...err...Oh
There is more chance of you spreading bugs from your hands to face/mouth/etc when putting it on, than there being any benefits..
That is not logical.
They may not be totally effective, but they obviously offer some protection.
They are in the main, absolutely f. useless! How do I know, a microbiologist was talking with me this morning, He's a classic car buff but not on here. Ever sprayed a car Dan, he said. Yeah. What protection did you use? A reasonable mask but no supply to it, anyway I did the spraying outside. Tell me, was it any good? I had to admit, the mask was red 'inside' (I was spraying a Ford red!). What was your nose like? Red! There you are, f
king useless. Plus if you wear the cheap ste masks most people wear, within a quarter of an hour of wearing it, it will be wet (from your breathing), and any virus bacteria will get in. You can wear one, and believe it will help. It won't. Not unless you have proper breathing apparatus.So what should I do, I asked? Stop worrying he said. I said I'm not worried! What else? WASH YOUR HANDS regularly! If you have to sneeze, do it into your elbow. My elbow? Yes. If you do it into your hand, you'll open the door into the shop or supermarket or toilet and ...BINGO! If you have covid-19, so will the next person opening that door (probably) thanks to you. HYGIENE. Not hard. But apparently difficult for many people!
And something else. This is a virus pod at the JR Hospital near me. They as the microbiol chappie told me forgotten something. What if the weather goes all wintry (highly likely he said, you know, this time of year - can you remember those snow drifts in April in 1981 etc. The person(s) inside the pod won't die of coronavirus, they f freeze to death! Must say, I hadn't thought of that!
And, god forbid, should you have the bad luck to catch it in Lincoln, this is there Hospital covid-19 pod!!!
Not the yellow bins (or maybe it is?), it is the green TENT!
Oh dear, this country, eh?
Are they perfect? No
But they do offer some protection if used correctly and can help stop the spread.
Surgical mask better than nothing. 20P
p3 mask better £1
full face p3 mask better still £5
One case in Norway - woman tested as a precaution after returning from China. Zero symptoms but tested positive.
Second case in Finland - woman returned from Northern Italy. Has a fever and isolated in hospital but not currently in serious condition.
The Norway case shows there are asymptomatic carriers.
Second case in Finland - woman returned from Northern Italy. Has a fever and isolated in hospital but not currently in serious condition.
The Norway case shows there are asymptomatic carriers.
Lordbenny said:
So, we’re closing schools, businesses, not travelling, sports fixtures cancelled....when will this stop? I can’t, it can only get worse so surely the only thing to do is keep calm and carry on as if it never happened. This virus is very similar to a common flu so let people catch it and if the frail and weak get it and they die then so be it...until a vaccine is found which should take about a year or so.
Er. No thanks. If my dad with COPD is going to catch it, I'd rather:a) he catches it later rather than sooner so that if he does die, he dies later rather than sooner.
b) infections happen over as long as period as possible so that the stress on the health service is spread out and not focussed on a short period of time. That way, if my Dad catches it, he should be able to receive better care.
"The frail and weak" are real people who real people love and care about. "They die and so be it" is not a cool thing to say.
Edited by nffcforever on Wednesday 26th February 22:49
tertius said:
Your 9 and 1 numbers ignore those who catch it and don’t go to hospital, why?
Good point and I’d hoped that was the answer. However a) they need to recover and most importantly b) WHO could find no evidence of there being a cohort of home recoveries when they investigated (as reported today) so I think it’s stumped WHO as they were using that ‘unknown’ as part justification for their % being ridiculously low but with a ‘?’. I said earlier it’s buggered them selling a dodgy rate for much longer.Edit: it seems therefore that everybody who catches it needs intervention.
Edited by anonymous-user on Wednesday 26th February 22:48
It's not exactly hard to find the recommendation documents for the respirator masks that the NHS spec for flu pandemics. They aren't expensive and they work. Actually cheaper than using the throwaways even before the recent silly pricing and one set of filters should be good for the whole duration.
I dip in and out of this thread, while being aware, but not, so far, being too concerned. It is getting a bit closer to home though, my wife works in Birmingham and things are starting to close there, and I also had a text from the doctors today with advice. I also follow a site that belongs to a guy who used to work in this field ( underdogsbiteupwards ), and he raises a couple of points that are concerning. I'm not saying he's right, but theres food for thought there.
https://underdogsbiteupwards.wordpress.com/
https://underdogsbiteupwards.wordpress.com/
Graveworm said:
Depends on the mask. Most people are wearing surgical masks etc which do very little to protect them but protect others from them which can still help a lot with containment.
A proper N95 respirator can help protect the wearer.
N95 is not tested for protection against a liquid areosol. You need an FFP3 or an N99 (if you are a yank) rated mask for that.A proper N95 respirator can help protect the wearer.
V6 Pushfit said:
Edit: it seems therefore that everybody who catches it needs intervention.
Sorry but that's a complete flying leap of a logical jump - the sort of mental gymnastics that a politician would try when they're caught out.Edited by V6 Pushfit on Wednesday 26th February 22:48
There are cases who didn't know they had Covid-19 until they were tested. There are plenty of minimal and asymptomatic examples that wouldn't have thought of their illness as anything other than a bad cold / mild flu. There are doubtless plenty of people who haven't been tested (due to combination of limited testing capacity in China and/or mild symptoms that they never fell under suspicion of having it) who won't appear in your hallowed 9/10 stats.
Give it a rest with the incessant need to overplay every single figure. It's gone past a joke now.
V6 Pushfit said:
Good point and I’d hoped that was the answer. However a) they need to recover and most importantly b) WHO could find no evidence of there being a cohort of home recoveries when they investigated (as reported today) so I think it’s stumped WHO as they were using that ‘unknown’ as part justification for their % being ridiculously low but with a ‘?’. I said earlier it’s buggered them selling a dodgy rate for much longer.
Well given you said this only yesterday...V6 Pushfit said:
WHO seem like a shower of ste. Cursory advice and misrepresentation, and have they declared a pandemic yet? Nope nothing to see here.
it's a bit strange you are now taking their inability to find what doesn't exist as incontrovertible proof that the vast majority of cases are being accounted for so your nonsensical death/recovery numbers are 'right' ones......te. Cursory advice and misrepresentation, and have they declared a pandemic yet? Nope nothing to see here. philv said:
Jimboka said:
V6 Pushfit said:
10126 Torino said:
Can we get back on topic ? thanks....
Picked up some masks today - four bloody quid each and they’re £2.20 on eBay from ...err...Oh
There is more chance of you spreading bugs from your hands to face/mouth/etc when putting it on, than there being any benefits..
That is not logical.
They may not be totally effective, but they obviously offer some protection.
As most people don’t change them every hour as the medical people in ICU do, then the nasties are on the mask next time you put it on.
The masks are effective at stopping you spreading something you have, but not much good at protecting you unless they are changed very regularly.
LandRoverManiac said:
Sorry but that's a complete flying leap of a logical jump - the sort of mental gymnastics that a politician would try when they're caught out.
There are cases who didn't know they had Covid-19 until they were tested. There are plenty of minimal and asymptomatic examples that wouldn't have thought of their illness as anything other than a bad cold / mild flu. There are doubtless plenty of people who haven't been tested (due to combination of limited testing capacity in China and/or mild symptoms that they never fell under suspicion of having it) who won't appear in your hallowed 9/10 stats.
Give it a rest with the incessant need to overplay every single figure. It's gone past a joke now.
Look at the WHO info on their looking for recoveries at home. Look at the stats. I’m fed up with saying it but there’s only two numbers it’s not rocket science! I’m not overplaying it I’m reporting their figures without some for-public-consumption bullsThere are cases who didn't know they had Covid-19 until they were tested. There are plenty of minimal and asymptomatic examples that wouldn't have thought of their illness as anything other than a bad cold / mild flu. There are doubtless plenty of people who haven't been tested (due to combination of limited testing capacity in China and/or mild symptoms that they never fell under suspicion of having it) who won't appear in your hallowed 9/10 stats.
Give it a rest with the incessant need to overplay every single figure. It's gone past a joke now.
t! isaldiri said:
A load of jumbled up stuff
You’re not understanding it at all. Sorry if you want to believe 1% please do. Now off ya go as I’m not going round it all again in detail for your benefit. Think about it and come back with a viable alternative figure if your own and show how you’ve achieved it.Edited by anonymous-user on Wednesday 26th February 23:06
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