Coronavirus - Is this the killer flu that will wipe us out?
Discussion
vdn said:
I’ve been told by someone who works in a hospital in London, that there’s a lot going on behind the scenes and that a mix of holding back info’ to avoid panic amongst the populace - and economic factors; are contributing to a muted, drawn out process from the powers that be.
Doesn’t inspire me with confidence I must say.
Ultimately, this thing is being handled by Johnson and Cummings. Doesn’t inspire me with confidence I must say.
As a life-long Conservative, I have to say that doesn't fill me with confidence.
Abbott said:
andy_s said:
Not-The-Messiah said:
Abbott said:
Abbott said:
Question: If i get the virus and recover after a certain time, am I then immune from getting the same strain again within a certain time period?
Bump?The problem with new viruses like this is your body as never seen anything like it. So it either takes time to work out how to kill it by that time it's gone mad and made you quite ill causing pneumonia. Or worse case your own immune system as a full on panic attack and ends up killing you itself, like what happened with the Spanish flu.
On re-infection with mutation.
tBut either way whether by original reinfection or variant reinfection the significance of reinfection May answer
1) queries around how long this has been out there in Wuhan
2) the so called long incubation period initially seen
3) why it’s hit so hard there
4) why it’s hitting hospitals
4) why it’s mortality seems so out of whack place to place
I wonder if this is largely out of containment. All over the world.
The initial hit occurs on an individual. Seems like seasonal flu. Move on. Hidden by background seasonal flu.
Example Cases like patient 0 and secondary infections in the U.K. largely harmless.
That’s what happened through Wuhan in November. Possibly earlier.
Reinfection: The second hit: rapid autoimmune reaction. High critical rates. Suddenly Wuhan is overwhelmed as the body can’t take the reinfection.
As awareness is ramping up it is then being tested for. Lots of first timers carted off to hospital. introduced to hospital environments and reinfected. Suddenly get the second hit. Looks like a long incubation. It’s not: it’s reinfection.
I wonder if the Wuhan numbers suggest a much longer virulence curve, and with infections and reinfections blurring Case fatality.
fblm said:
Ridgemont said:
fblm said:
Presumably a good cull of the population will be good for global warming. Too soon?
Thanks for volunteering.vdn said:
I’ve been told by someone who works in a hospital in London, that there’s a lot going on behind the scenes and that a mix of holding back info’ to avoid panic amongst the populace - and economic factors; are contributing to a muted, drawn out process from the powers that be.
Doesn’t inspire me with confidence I must say.
How does something like that work? Do doctors say we have another case and they get told keep that quiet? Or is it anyone with damaging information? Doesn’t inspire me with confidence I must say.
Is that directly by Boris or does he tell Hancock, who phones the hospital manger, who tells them? Does he also tell their families and other employees to keep it quiet, or do they just get an email saying we are keeping all new cases quiet? If they tell the health service unions and the BMA, do they go along with it?
Your friend knows and tells you, you post it here. It's highly unlikely only they know, Multiply that by loads of others, within the circle of trust and you have every media outlet with access to it. When it comes out, the powers that be, either have to resign, or worse, go to jail.
Edited by Graveworm on Thursday 27th February 00:54
abzmike said:
eharding said:
Ultimately, this thing is being handled by Johnson and Cummings.
As a life-long Conservative, I have to say that doesn't fill me with confidence.
I really wish this government would treat the population as grown up citizens, .As a life-long Conservative, I have to say that doesn't fill me with confidence.
nffcforever said:
Stuff
A quick glance at your profile shows you've posted on this topic almost 300 times in the last 16 days.I'm not singling you out by any means, V6 has smashed that and managed 477 posts on this one thread at the time of writing.
That's nearly 10% of the 400 page thread just between the two of you!
I'm struck between offering congratulations for your dedication, but at the same time wondering why you bother putting so much time/effort in.
Wish you all the best in any case, it makes entertaining reading.
Has anyone seen a home isolation plan yet? Am thinking of my dear old mum who’s 82 and has a propensity for pneumonia. She lives alone in a big house in leafy Surrey, and if Covid-19 does take the U.K. by storm then I suppose that I’ll have to advise her to isolate at home. What are recommended measures?
Mail opened with gloves on that are then binned, hands washed, shopping delivered then wiped down with bleach based wipes while wearing gloves, no more paper newspapers, selected visitors kept at a distance, etc.?
I can keep making this stuff up, but I suppose that there is a written plan for people at risk?
Mail opened with gloves on that are then binned, hands washed, shopping delivered then wiped down with bleach based wipes while wearing gloves, no more paper newspapers, selected visitors kept at a distance, etc.?
I can keep making this stuff up, but I suppose that there is a written plan for people at risk?
Ayahuasca said:
Guy on Sky News reassuring everyone by saying that 80,000 people die every year in the UK of normal flu, so therefore stop panicking.
Er, yes, but those are 80,000 deaths from a well understood disease for which there is a vaccine.
There is no vaccine for this one.
There's no 100% vaccine against normal flu - the jab people have fluctuates between 40% and 60% effectiveness in recent years dependant on the strain.Er, yes, but those are 80,000 deaths from a well understood disease for which there is a vaccine.
There is no vaccine for this one.
See here:
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/vaccines-work/past-seasons...
I think normally about 5 million out of the UK population, have the injection, the other 60 million-ish don't bother,
YankeePorker said:
Has anyone seen a home isolation plan yet? Am thinking of my dear old mum who’s 82 and has a propensity for pneumonia. She lives alone in a big house in leafy Surrey, and if Covid-19 does take the U.K. by storm then I suppose that I’ll have to advise her to isolate at home. What are recommended measures?
Mail opened with gloves on that are then binned, hands washed, shopping delivered then wiped down with bleach based wipes while wearing gloves, no more paper newspapers, selected visitors kept at a distance, etc.?
I can keep making this stuff up, [but I suppose that there is a written plan for people at risk?
I doubt that, I've not heard of one if it exists.Mail opened with gloves on that are then binned, hands washed, shopping delivered then wiped down with bleach based wipes while wearing gloves, no more paper newspapers, selected visitors kept at a distance, etc.?
I can keep making this stuff up, [but I suppose that there is a written plan for people at risk?
If you are worried, what you have suggested above sounds eminently sensible for your mother & I'm sure she will be fine if taking those precautions.
OzzyR1 said:
YankeePorker said:
I suppose that there is a written plan for people at risk?
I doubt that, I've not heard of one if it exists.If you are worried, what you have suggested above sounds eminently sensible for your mother & I'm sure she will be fine if taking those precautions.
ash73 said:
Ridgemont said:
This maybe deserves a bump as it possibly explains what has happened over the last few months (as a lay observer). Firstly I’m not convinced you cannot be reinfected by the same variant: I’ve seen some statements today by health professionals stating it’s possible.
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Antibodies disappear from the system after a few weeks but memory B cells (which can create more antibodies) remain for many years; so if you encountered the virus again it would be dealt with quickly....
A patient could experience residual symptoms from the original virus if it's not eradicated completely, and obviously if it mutates sufficiently they can be infected by a new strain.
YankeePorker said:
OzzyR1 said:
YankeePorker said:
I suppose that there is a written plan for people at risk?
I doubt that, I've not heard of one if it exists.If you are worried, what you have suggested above sounds eminently sensible for your mother & I'm sure she will be fine if taking those precautions.
It wouldn't surprise me to learn that quite a lot of folks have already had this virus but it seemed like a normal cold or didn't really affect them.
Before Wuhan was locked down, there were planes flying globally out of there tens of times a day to locations all over the world. Chances are, there was a carrier or two on board.
Even stranger is that a few small towns in Northern Italy get affected worse than major global transport hubs like Hong Kong, Sydney, New York, London, Dubai, Brazil etc.
Doesn't make sense to me, perhaps the places in Northern Italy have done more testing than us and found a positive result for this specific strain.
andy_s said:
Not-The-Messiah said:
Abbott said:
Abbott said:
Question: If i get the virus and recover after a certain time, am I then immune from getting the same strain again within a certain time period?
Bump?The problem with new viruses like this is your body as never seen anything like it. So it either takes time to work out how to kill it by that time it's gone mad and made you quite ill causing pneumonia. Or worse case your own immune system as a full on panic attack and ends up killing you itself, like what happened with the Spanish flu.
On re-infection with mutation.
All viruses and probably most don't work like that if they did vaccinations wouldn't work and the common cold would be a killer if everytime you got it when it mutated it was worse for you.
I think what he's talking about there is a worse case scenario and not the more likely scenario.
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