Coronavirus - Is this the killer flu that will wipe us out?

Coronavirus - Is this the killer flu that will wipe us out?

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WindyCommon

3,374 posts

239 months

Thursday 27th February 2020
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Exige77 said:
I think V6 only Works on dead v recovered.
I think I'll stick with the WHO methodology as that's what epidemiologists use.

"The reported case fatality rate (CFR) is a measure of the severity of a disease and is defined as the proportion of reported cases of a specified disease or condition which are fatal within a specified time."

anonymous-user

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54 months

Thursday 27th February 2020
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WindyCommon said:
If there have been 100 cases of which 10 have died, what is the CFR?
Thats misleading so doesn't give you a death risk let alone for a 5 week illness.

This is better:

With 100 million cases which take up to 5 weeks to conclude, currently 1000 have died and 9000 recovered. Whats your risk of dying if you become a case?

You could make that 1 billion cases if you like.

pingu393

7,798 posts

205 months

Thursday 27th February 2020
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croyde said:
I've always booked holidays last minute due to being freelance.

My first year of being staff so I've now got holidays booked ahead. First time I've done this.

Bloody typical. Plus my pension pot has taken a right battering this week, along with my savings.

At this rate I'd be better off getting this virus and being one of the 2%.
Look at the bright side. You can buy more shares with this month's pension money. You only want the market to be strong when you are drawing down your pension. You want it to be weak when you are building it up.

Hub

6,434 posts

198 months

Thursday 27th February 2020
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Gregmitchell said:
The Italy stats aren't good!

among the 472 active cases, 159 (34%) are hospitalized and 37 (8%) are in intensive care
Weren't a lot of them already in hospital?

anonymous-user

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54 months

Thursday 27th February 2020
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WindyCommon said:
I think I'll stick with the WHO methodology as that's what epidemiologists use.

"The reported case fatality rate (CFR) is a measure of the severity of a disease and is defined as the proportion of reported cases of a specified disease or condition which are fatal within a specified time."
I don't know why they bother with the methodology as the answer is misleading if read as a 'risk of death'.

But that's fine with me you stroll on chap.

mouseymousey

2,641 posts

237 months

Thursday 27th February 2020
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Prizam said:
I have today been bombarded with COVID-19 information and prep.

A girl at my daughter's school is "under surveillance", with phenomena (4 years old)

Another school down the road has been closed as a precaution.

I have datacenters up and down the country kicking off their disaster recovery and contingency plans. A few are also trying to sell remote access solutions off the back of it too.

The NHS and government plan right now is rapidly shifting. Contain - Delay - Research and Mitigate.

NHS and government pandemic plans have been dusted off. Although these are designed for influenza, they are still quite scary when you look at the detail.


At least a lot more people are starting to take this more seriously. Oh.. and first confirmed cases of re-infection. Be good to track the death rate of these seporatly. The runing theory is the 2nd time round is way worse.
Out of interest, why are data centres kicking off their DR and contingency plans?

Gregmitchell

1,745 posts

117 months

Thursday 27th February 2020
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Hub said:
Gregmitchell said:
The Italy stats aren't good!

among the 472 active cases, 159 (34%) are hospitalized and 37 (8%) are in intensive care
Weren't a lot of them already in hospital?
Good point, I hope so, let me have a look.

emperorburger

1,484 posts

66 months

Thursday 27th February 2020
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Prizam said:
emperorburger said:
I'm becoming more convinced I had Covid-19 in early Jan.
I had something that floor me over Christmas. I' hoping it wasn’t
covid-19. Getting it again doesn’t look too clever.
I am convinced this has been out in the wild outside of China well before December. The virus I contracted was whilst I was in Moscow over Christmas/New Year.

anonymous-user

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54 months

Thursday 27th February 2020
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Maybe that's the answer - the WHO figure is completely meaningless as a risk of death. And expressly so to a point.

Its been misconstrued as a R.O.D by everyone and in the absence of anything else in the news its been latched onto.

Anyway I'm fed up with this now. I've made it clear and if anyone wants to find a smaller figure than the current 7.7% ish please feel free. Hopefully it will still come down.

Exige77

6,518 posts

191 months

Thursday 27th February 2020
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emperorburger said:
Prizam said:
emperorburger said:
I'm becoming more convinced I had Covid-19 in early Jan.
I had something that floor me over Christmas. I' hoping it wasn’t
covid-19. Getting it again doesn’t look too clever.
I am convinced this has been out in the wild outside of China well before December. The virus I contracted was whilst I was in Moscow over Christmas/New Year.
Proper flu can be pretty debilitating and most people just get a bad cold or ManFlu.


Prizam

2,335 posts

141 months

Thursday 27th February 2020
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mouseymousey said:
Prizam said:
I have today been bombarded with COVID-19 information and prep.

A girl at my daughter's school is "under surveillance", with phenomena (4 years old)

Another school down the road has been closed as a precaution.

I have datacenters up and down the country kicking off their disaster recovery and contingency plans. A few are also trying to sell remote access solutions off the back of it too.

The NHS and government plan right now is rapidly shifting. Contain - Delay - Research and Mitigate.

NHS and government pandemic plans have been dusted off. Although these are designed for influenza, they are still quite scary when you look at the detail.


At least a lot more people are starting to take this more seriously. Oh.. and first confirmed cases of re-infection. Be good to track the death rate of these seporatly. The runing theory is the 2nd time round is way worse.
Out of interest, why are data centres kicking off their DR and contingency plans?
It takes quite a lot of manpower, and critically. Electricity to run them. they are preparing for power outages, or not having the staff to make load balance/network changes to fluctuating traffic changes. If everyone started working from home, it could change the loading on datacenters quite dramaticly.

Munter

31,319 posts

241 months

Thursday 27th February 2020
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V6 Pushfit said:
Anyway I'm fed up with this now.
You said that many times before. A lot of other stuff besides. Similar situation with almost all of it.

pingu393

7,798 posts

205 months

Thursday 27th February 2020
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There was a woman (I presume a doctor) on Radio 4 around 1pm ish. She was saying that there are 9 (I think) flu viruses. 5 are seasonal and 4 are active all year. This could be a new addition. Everyone is hoping that it will be seasonal, but, at the moment, we don't know.

As with the other 9, we can only treat the symptoms.

As with the others, we do not have immunity once we have had it. It will just keep going round and round.

WindyCommon

3,374 posts

239 months

Thursday 27th February 2020
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V6 Pushfit said:
WindyCommon said:
I think I'll stick with the WHO methodology as that's what epidemiologists use.

"The reported case fatality rate (CFR) is a measure of the severity of a disease and is defined as the proportion of reported cases of a specified disease or condition which are fatal within a specified time."
I don't know why they bother with the methodology as the answer is misleading if read as a 'risk of death'.

But that's fine with me you stroll on chap.
I’m just showing you how it’s calculated. If you want to propose your alternative methodology to the WHO I’m sure they’ll be all ears...

anonymous-user

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54 months

Thursday 27th February 2020
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Munter said:
You said that many times before. A lot of other stuff besides. Similar situation with almost all of it.
And? Weren't yo going to enlighten us with your thought process a week ago, hopefully going beyond cheap jibes?

emperorburger

1,484 posts

66 months

Thursday 27th February 2020
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V6 Pushfit said:
Maybe that's the answer - the WHO figure is completely meaningless as a risk of death. And expressly so to a point.

Its been misconstrued as a R.O.D by everyone and in the absence of anything else in the news its been latched onto.

Anyway I'm fed up with this now. I've made it clear and if anyone wants to find a smaller figure than the current 7.7% ish please feel free. Hopefully it will still come down.
I thought V6 statistics had been universally discounted here other than a couple of outliers/disciples of doom/mutated alts.

anonymous-user

Original Poster:

54 months

Thursday 27th February 2020
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WindyCommon said:
I’m just showing you how it’s calculated. If you want to propose your alternative methodology to the WHO I’m sure they’ll be all ears...
They'll be well aware its misleading as a R.O.D figure but more than happy not to correct anyone.

anonymous-user

Original Poster:

54 months

Thursday 27th February 2020
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emperorburger said:
V6 Pushfit said:
Maybe that's the answer - the WHO figure is completely meaningless as a risk of death. And expressly so to a point.

Its been misconstrued as a R.O.D by everyone and in the absence of anything else in the news its been latched onto.

Anyway I'm fed up with this now. I've made it clear and if anyone wants to find a smaller figure than the current 7.7% ish please feel free. Hopefully it will still come down.
I thought V6 statistics had been universally discounted here other than a couple of outliers/disciples of doom/mutated alts.
I have been quite clear on the details, reasoning, and outcome. Are you saying you still don't understand ? If so then I feel very very sorry for you.

Munter

31,319 posts

241 months

Thursday 27th February 2020
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V6 Pushfit said:
emperorburger said:
V6 Pushfit said:
Maybe that's the answer - the WHO figure is completely meaningless as a risk of death. And expressly so to a point.

Its been misconstrued as a R.O.D by everyone and in the absence of anything else in the news its been latched onto.

Anyway I'm fed up with this now. I've made it clear and if anyone wants to find a smaller figure than the current 7.7% ish please feel free. Hopefully it will still come down.
I thought V6 statistics had been universally discounted here other than a couple of outliers/disciples of doom/mutated alts.
I have been quite clear on the details, reasoning, and outcome. Are you saying you still don't understand ? If so then I feel very very sorry for you.
Aww

V6 Pushfit said:
Anyway I'm fed up with this now.
Didn't turn out to be true. I'm stunned and shocked.

emperorburger

1,484 posts

66 months

Thursday 27th February 2020
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Munter said:
V6 Pushfit said:
emperorburger said:
V6 Pushfit said:
Maybe that's the answer - the WHO figure is completely meaningless as a risk of death. And expressly so to a point.

Its been misconstrued as a R.O.D by everyone and in the absence of anything else in the news its been latched onto.

Anyway I'm fed up with this now. I've made it clear and if anyone wants to find a smaller figure than the current 7.7% ish please feel free. Hopefully it will still come down.
I thought V6 statistics had been universally discounted here other than a couple of outliers/disciples of doom/mutated alts.
I have been quite clear on the details, reasoning, and outcome. Are you saying you still don't understand ? If so then I feel very very sorry for you.
Aww

V6 Pushfit said:
Anyway I'm fed up with this now.
Didn't turn out to be true. I'm stunned and shocked.
rofl

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