The Tories aren’t working
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bonerp said:
the tories are lying b
ds out for themselves and their toffy mates.
This country is being ruined.
No challengers to big tax avoiders aka Amazon which is giving their likes an unfair advantage over the failing high street (IR35 isn't a big nest egg SaJid).
No climate policy.
No serious support to an NHS on its knees.
Welfare has been broken for years. Poverty is getting worse. More homeless. More business going away from the UK.
Agree with every single point here. ds out for themselves and their toffy mates.This country is being ruined.
No challengers to big tax avoiders aka Amazon which is giving their likes an unfair advantage over the failing high street (IR35 isn't a big nest egg SaJid).
No climate policy.
No serious support to an NHS on its knees.
Welfare has been broken for years. Poverty is getting worse. More homeless. More business going away from the UK.
However they are vastly much better than their nearest rival who are a disaster in waiting. You want to choose between the two? We have by FAR the best option at the moment, which is a very good thing.
Esceptico said:
Another Tory government and yet more posturing over the civil service and how it needs to be reformed. That has been the mantra since at least 1979 when Thatcher got into power (so 41 years ago). In that 41 years the Tories have been in power except for the interlude of Tory Lite New Labour...yet they still haven’t cracked it. How many more decades do they need? Or are they part of the problem, rather than the solution?
I always wondered what happened to Ben Elton.bonerp said:
hucumber said:
This is true. But it doesn't mean the tories are doing their job properly. The country is in a right state, 9 years of Tory reign has seen the UK fall apart at the seams.
Agree 100% I'm right with you on this. Austerity - a result of over public spending IMHO needed reining in but it feels like there has been no investment whatsoever so pretty much any service is simply crumbling at the seams. Get business working, attract business, stand up an effective workforce and those seeds bring cash to improve.Don't let benefits be more attractive than working - which sadly they are. People who need it can't get it. The big firms continue to dodge their tax commitments. Plug this.
£627b collected in tax a 3.6% increase on the previous year
£34b extra collected by tackling avoidance, evasion and non-compliance...
You may be reading/ watching the wrong media...
Vanden Saab said:
bonerp said:
hucumber said:
This is true. But it doesn't mean the tories are doing their job properly. The country is in a right state, 9 years of Tory reign has seen the UK fall apart at the seams.
Agree 100% I'm right with you on this. Austerity - a result of over public spending IMHO needed reining in but it feels like there has been no investment whatsoever so pretty much any service is simply crumbling at the seams. Get business working, attract business, stand up an effective workforce and those seeds bring cash to improve.Don't let benefits be more attractive than working - which sadly they are. People who need it can't get it. The big firms continue to dodge their tax commitments. Plug this.
£627b collected in tax a 3.6% increase on the previous year
£34b extra collected by tackling avoidance, evasion and non-compliance...
You may be reading/ watching the wrong media...
I'm not a Labour voter but the tories need a strong challenger to keep them in check. They haven't had this for too long.
bad company said:
That’s simply not true. What’s ‘falling apart at the seams’?
The NHS. The Fire service. The Ambulance service. The Police. The roads. Homelessness is getting worse. These are things that I experience on a regular basis, and they are things that should be kept on top of, but aren't. When the basic things that are required for a modern society to exist in some degree of comfort and safety aren't funded properly, something is wrongThe Labour party as is now are a fking joke. Any half-decent opposition should have at the very least had a hung parliament result at the last GE.
10 years of austerity, a fractious Tory party at war with itself much of that time, with the leadership ultimately expelling 21 of it's more moderate members and more resigning over Brexit.
A marxist Labour leadership making head-in-the-clouds manifesto promises, going into a Brexit election with a muddled stance on leaving the EU is not the way to fight an election!
king joke. Any half-decent opposition should have at the very least had a hung parliament result at the last GE.10 years of austerity, a fractious Tory party at war with itself much of that time, with the leadership ultimately expelling 21 of it's more moderate members and more resigning over Brexit.
A marxist Labour leadership making head-in-the-clouds manifesto promises, going into a Brexit election with a muddled stance on leaving the EU is not the way to fight an election!
bonerp said:
The tories should take advantage of that and win voters over for good by doing stuff that hasn't been done in years - deliver on their shallow promises listening to voters need, but what have we seen in recent weeks...nothing.
Do stuff.Do.
Stuff.
Sorted!!
You have singlehandedly solved every political problem, the world over!
As for your point regarding timescale/achievement, they have been in power barely a month FFS.
BadBull said:
bonerp said:
The tories should take advantage of that and win voters over for good by doing stuff that hasn't been done in years - deliver on their shallow promises listening to voters need, but what have we seen in recent weeks...nothing.
Do stuff.Do.
Stuff.
Sorted!!
You have singlehandedly solved every political problem, the world over!
As for your point regarding timescale/achievement, they have been in power barely a month FFS.
zygalski said:
The Labour party as is now are a fking joke. Any half-decent opposition should have at the very least had a hung parliament result at the last GE.
10 years of austerity, a fractious Tory party at war with itself much of that time, with the leadership ultimately expelling 21 of it's more moderate members and more resigning over Brexit.
A marxist Labour leadership making head-in-the-clouds manifesto promises, going into a Brexit election with a muddled stance on leaving the EU is not the way to fight an election!
This isn't a thread about the labour partyking joke. Any half-decent opposition should have at the very least had a hung parliament result at the last GE.10 years of austerity, a fractious Tory party at war with itself much of that time, with the leadership ultimately expelling 21 of it's more moderate members and more resigning over Brexit.
A marxist Labour leadership making head-in-the-clouds manifesto promises, going into a Brexit election with a muddled stance on leaving the EU is not the way to fight an election!
anonymous said:
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I still have plenty of family and friends in the UK so why wouldn’t I care? I am not worked up. Just pointing out that the Tories are still going on about the evils of the public sector when they have had decades to do something about it. Why haven’t they solved the problem yet?hucumber said:
bad company said:
That’s simply not true. What’s ‘falling apart at the seams’?
The NHS. The Fire service. The Ambulance service. The Police. The roads. Homelessness is getting worse. These are things that I experience on a regular basisbonerp said:
the tories are lying bds out for themselves and their toffy mates.
Until they have a serious challenger, we are stuck with this st.
This country is being ruined.
No challengers to big tax avoiders aka Amazon which is giving their likes an unfair advantage over the failing high street (IR35 isn't a big nest egg SaJid).
No climate policy.
No serious support to an NHS on its knees.
Welfare has been broken for years. Poverty is getting worse. More homeless. More business going away from the UK.
Yet the people still vote for the tories.....or they are swinging the figures. Go figure.
But anyone who votes labour must desperately want things to get a 100 times worse, so consequently we are left with the least worse option ds out for themselves and their toffy mates.Until they have a serious challenger, we are stuck with this s
t. This country is being ruined.
No challengers to big tax avoiders aka Amazon which is giving their likes an unfair advantage over the failing high street (IR35 isn't a big nest egg SaJid).
No climate policy.
No serious support to an NHS on its knees.
Welfare has been broken for years. Poverty is getting worse. More homeless. More business going away from the UK.
Yet the people still vote for the tories.....or they are swinging the figures. Go figure.
Edited by bonerp on Wednesday 22 January 07:45
It is just snafu....as usual, nothing to worry about.
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