Van driver guilty of wounding PC
Discussion
JuanCarlosFandango said:
Presumably even if the policeman had died he would have been prosecuted for manslaughter rather than murder? All else being equal.
I think our laws around homicide need a big rethink.
We need something like second degree murder for cases of malicious attack leading to death as distinct from manslaughter, which I think is more commonly understood to mean accidental killing through carelessness or stupidity.
Something like this could be treated as a sub offence of second degree attempted murder (preferably better named) to reflect the difference between reckless accidents and lethal violence.
The Law Commission made its recommendations to change the laws to the last labour government about 15 years ago. So far they haven't been adopted by parliament, rightly in my opinion.I think our laws around homicide need a big rethink.
We need something like second degree murder for cases of malicious attack leading to death as distinct from manslaughter, which I think is more commonly understood to mean accidental killing through carelessness or stupidity.
Something like this could be treated as a sub offence of second degree attempted murder (preferably better named) to reflect the difference between reckless accidents and lethal violence.
98elise said:
It's a dangerous path when possession is deemed an offense. I have a machete that I use in the garden. I also have a small axe. The axe is far more dangerous if used as a weapon. A claw hammer is probably somewhere in between.
All have a legitimate use.
Do you actually need a machete though? Every gardening job I have tackled in the UK that has involved chopping back large amounts of vegetation has been easily achievable with a combination of small hand tools and power tools. All have a legitimate use.
Machetes being sold lawfully puts a very dangerous weapon into circulation. I have long associated them with the Rwandan genocide, as they were the weapon of choice for mass killing there. Having been to the Genocide Memorial in Kigali I go a tad cold every time I see one.
PurpleTurtle said:
Do you actually need a machete though? Every gardening job I have tackled in the UK that has involved chopping back large amounts of vegetation has been easily achievable with a combination of small hand tools and power tools.
Machetes being sold lawfully puts a very dangerous weapon into circulation. I have long associated them with the Rwandan genocide, as they were the weapon of choice for mass killing there. Having been to the Genocide Memorial in Kigali I go a tad cold every time I see one.
How is your argument not a variation of this:Machetes being sold lawfully puts a very dangerous weapon into circulation. I have long associated them with the Rwandan genocide, as they were the weapon of choice for mass killing there. Having been to the Genocide Memorial in Kigali I go a tad cold every time I see one.
The number of everyday items you could use to inflict massive harm on people is endless, why focus on machetes? I'd imagine machetes are far less practical than kitchen knives for the discerning blade carrying thug.
PurpleTurtle said:
98elise said:
It's a dangerous path when possession is deemed an offense. I have a machete that I use in the garden. I also have a small axe. The axe is far more dangerous if used as a weapon. A claw hammer is probably somewhere in between.
All have a legitimate use.
Do you actually need a machete though? Every gardening job I have tackled in the UK that has involved chopping back large amounts of vegetation has been easily achievable with a combination of small hand tools and power tools. All have a legitimate use.
Machetes being sold lawfully puts a very dangerous weapon into circulation. I have long associated them with the Rwandan genocide, as they were the weapon of choice for mass killing there. Having been to the Genocide Memorial in Kigali I go a tad cold every time I see one.
My kitchen knives are also dangerous weapons if used against a person.
JuanCarlosFandango said:
16 years is pathetic. He'll be out in 8, and based on previous convictions will probably offend violently again.
He should be hanged.
Given his utter lack of remorse, the ferocity of the attack and his previous convictions, I'd like to see some sort of 3 strikes and out type sentencing in the UK, once we have sufficient prison places, because the general public deserve to be protected from worthless grubs like this.He should be hanged.
Until then, I can see 16 years is the best we can do.
98elise said:
PurpleTurtle said:
98elise said:
It's a dangerous path when possession is deemed an offense. I have a machete that I use in the garden. I also have a small axe. The axe is far more dangerous if used as a weapon. A claw hammer is probably somewhere in between.
All have a legitimate use.
Do you actually need a machete though? Every gardening job I have tackled in the UK that has involved chopping back large amounts of vegetation has been easily achievable with a combination of small hand tools and power tools. All have a legitimate use.
Machetes being sold lawfully puts a very dangerous weapon into circulation. I have long associated them with the Rwandan genocide, as they were the weapon of choice for mass killing there. Having been to the Genocide Memorial in Kigali I go a tad cold every time I see one.
My kitchen knives are also dangerous weapons if used against a person.
Of course it wouldn't be cash in hand with no record at HMRC and still claiming benefits.
Is that too simple ?
Fatball said:
Sophie Khan is asking on twitter why the met have not started disciplinary action against the officer for assaulting the offender. The world, or her world has gone mad.
Where are you seeing this?https://twitter.com/khan_sophie?ref_src=twsrc%5Ego...
over_the_hill said:
98elise said:
PurpleTurtle said:
98elise said:
It's a dangerous path when possession is deemed an offense. I have a machete that I use in the garden. I also have a small axe. The axe is far more dangerous if used as a weapon. A claw hammer is probably somewhere in between.
All have a legitimate use.
Do you actually need a machete though? Every gardening job I have tackled in the UK that has involved chopping back large amounts of vegetation has been easily achievable with a combination of small hand tools and power tools. All have a legitimate use.
Machetes being sold lawfully puts a very dangerous weapon into circulation. I have long associated them with the Rwandan genocide, as they were the weapon of choice for mass killing there. Having been to the Genocide Memorial in Kigali I go a tad cold every time I see one.
My kitchen knives are also dangerous weapons if used against a person.
Of course it wouldn't be cash in hand with no record at HMRC and still claiming benefits.
Is that too simple ?
s1962a said:
Fatball said:
Sophie Khan is asking on twitter why the met have not started disciplinary action against the officer for assaulting the offender. The world, or her world has gone mad.
Where are you seeing this?https://twitter.com/khan_sophie?ref_src=twsrc%5Ego...
I think she is to be ignored.
s1962a said:
Fatball said:
Sophie Khan is asking on twitter why the met have not started disciplinary action against the officer for assaulting the offender. The world, or her world has gone mad.
Where are you seeing this?https://twitter.com/khan_sophie?ref_src=twsrc%5Ego...
Possibly fake/deleted?
PurpleTurtle said:
Do you actually need a machete though? Every gardening job I have tackled in the UK that has involved chopping back large amounts of vegetation has been easily achievable with a combination of small hand tools and power tools.
Machetes being sold lawfully puts a very dangerous weapon into circulation. I have long associated them with the Rwandan genocide, as they were the weapon of choice for mass killing there. Having been to the Genocide Memorial in Kigali I go a tad cold every time I see one.
What about a chainsaw? That would cause a lot more damage. The new high powered electric ones wouldn't even give you a chance to get back before it was started. I don't think it's unreasonable to have a machete if you are a genuine gardener. (Even though I've never felt the need for one doing gardening). Machetes being sold lawfully puts a very dangerous weapon into circulation. I have long associated them with the Rwandan genocide, as they were the weapon of choice for mass killing there. Having been to the Genocide Memorial in Kigali I go a tad cold every time I see one.
I think you can look too deep into absolute need. I carry a Leatherman at work. Driving lorries. It could be argued I don't absolutely need it - but it's very useful to have. I'm not sure if it's legal or not. DVSA have seen it when checking over my truck and never said anything etc. I'd be a bit upset if I was arrested for having it at work. I wouldn't be taking it on a night out mind you.
s1962a said:
Fatball said:
Sophie Khan is asking on twitter why the met have not started disciplinary action against the officer for assaulting the offender. The world, or her world has gone mad.
Where are you seeing this?https://twitter.com/khan_sophie?ref_src=twsrc%5Ego...
Unfortunately for her the Judge really didn't see it that way - hence a 16 year sentence.
Silly bint.
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