Huawei - permitted to participate in 5G networks
Discussion
This is a 3 sided problem :
1) Commercial - the Huwawai kit is cheap and available now.
2) security - the huwawai kit has been studied in massive detail and is considered low threat by the NCSC, especially when at the edge of the network.
3) political - the UK is caught in the middle of a trade war between the US and China, yet needs to keep both happy.
In my opinion, the kit is low risk (most of the security problems exist regardless of vendor), commercially its a no brainer, so the real problem is just political. It pains me to say this, but I think Boris has made the right decision in a way that delicately navigates the politics in play.
1) Commercial - the Huwawai kit is cheap and available now.
2) security - the huwawai kit has been studied in massive detail and is considered low threat by the NCSC, especially when at the edge of the network.
3) political - the UK is caught in the middle of a trade war between the US and China, yet needs to keep both happy.
In my opinion, the kit is low risk (most of the security problems exist regardless of vendor), commercially its a no brainer, so the real problem is just political. It pains me to say this, but I think Boris has made the right decision in a way that delicately navigates the politics in play.
rodericb said:
PRTVR said:
why the rush for 5G?
We NEED to have 8k video streaming into our driverless cars. We simply can't function as a society without it....Thinking that "4G is good enough" is like thinking that Ocado is just a supermarket.
In the next 10 years, countless UK jobs (many of these high-paying) will depend upon 5G, either directly or indirectly. Say no to 5G today -- and you cede UK competitive advantage to other countries.
5G networks are just the beginning, merely an open door. True value comes from the ecosystem of solutions that only something like 5G can allow.
Yes, this includes autonomous vehicles. But look also at:
-- Edge Computing
-- Internet of Things
Why do we need 5g so soon?
Our government is excited about how the police state has developed in china and we want our own version.
People literally being metered and charged every second of the day as they go about thier business.
So much untapped revenue going to waste.
Stupid old and young people everywhere thrilled by the prospect for very different reasons.
Oldies thing it will only apply to 'foreigners'
Young think faster speed for all the dross they spend their time at.
Our government is excited about how the police state has developed in china and we want our own version.
People literally being metered and charged every second of the day as they go about thier business.
So much untapped revenue going to waste.
Stupid old and young people everywhere thrilled by the prospect for very different reasons.
Oldies thing it will only apply to 'foreigners'
Young think faster speed for all the dross they spend their time at.
Fundoreen said:
Why do we need 5g so soon?
Our government is excited about how the police state has developed in china and we want our own version.
People literally being metered and charged every second of the day as they go about thier business.
So much untapped revenue going to waste.
Stupid old and young people everywhere thrilled by the prospect for very different reasons.
Oldies thing it will only apply to 'foreigners'
Young think faster speed for all the dross they spend their time at.
Boris promised super duper stuff.Our government is excited about how the police state has developed in china and we want our own version.
People literally being metered and charged every second of the day as they go about thier business.
So much untapped revenue going to waste.
Stupid old and young people everywhere thrilled by the prospect for very different reasons.
Oldies thing it will only apply to 'foreigners'
Young think faster speed for all the dross they spend their time at.
5g will not just be for phones, it will be for a total solution outside calls but I would rather a fibre into my home, the reach of this stuff will be big but I would not expect many to make much use out of mobile for calls. I suspect 5g will be a patch for the non reach of fast fibre in places.
But the UK has just let a country that routinely hacks us have an easier access point. I wonder how far out they can be kept.
£500m cost for BT
Guardian said
The way it works at the moment is when you put a 5G box on a mast it has to be on top of a 4G box from the same supplier,” said Philip Jansen, the chief executive of BT. “More than 35% of [our] 4G boxes are Huawei. We are going to have to take out some Huawei 4G boxes and not use them again. That is probably the single biggest cost. In order to make 5G work we are going to have to use other manufacturers’ equipment.
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2020/jan/30/h...
Guardian said
The way it works at the moment is when you put a 5G box on a mast it has to be on top of a 4G box from the same supplier,” said Philip Jansen, the chief executive of BT. “More than 35% of [our] 4G boxes are Huawei. We are going to have to take out some Huawei 4G boxes and not use them again. That is probably the single biggest cost. In order to make 5G work we are going to have to use other manufacturers’ equipment.
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2020/jan/30/h...
Are networks that tied in they cannot work with each other?
Interesting what will work across networks. e.g. a TV signal follows a standard format and is handled the same way across many manufacturers and can be sent across continents and over them (OK, one or two play silly perhaps with audio channel PIDs etc.), but a maker specific SFP will not work in someone else's slot, so to speak. The same for data. My Browser looks at this web site on a mac, someone else's looks at it on a PC and a different browser. Or you might have non Juniper sources flying over routers with no issues.
Meaning has Huawei seen BT coming and built this in?
Interesting what will work across networks. e.g. a TV signal follows a standard format and is handled the same way across many manufacturers and can be sent across continents and over them (OK, one or two play silly perhaps with audio channel PIDs etc.), but a maker specific SFP will not work in someone else's slot, so to speak. The same for data. My Browser looks at this web site on a mac, someone else's looks at it on a PC and a different browser. Or you might have non Juniper sources flying over routers with no issues.
Meaning has Huawei seen BT coming and built this in?
Zirconia said:
Are networks that tied in they cannot work with each other?
Interesting what will work across networks. e.g. a TV signal follows a standard format and is handled the same way across many manufacturers and can be sent across continents and over them (OK, one or two play silly perhaps with audio channel PIDs etc.), but a maker specific SFP will not work in someone else's slot, so to speak. The same for data. My Browser looks at this web site on a mac, someone else's looks at it on a PC and a different browser. Or you might have non Juniper sources flying over routers with no issues.
Meaning has Huawei seen BT coming and built this in?
At one point Huawei said yup, it's 5G add on to 4G kit. Then they said we might develop an interface. But ultimately it will be a bodge and never work properly.Interesting what will work across networks. e.g. a TV signal follows a standard format and is handled the same way across many manufacturers and can be sent across continents and over them (OK, one or two play silly perhaps with audio channel PIDs etc.), but a maker specific SFP will not work in someone else's slot, so to speak. The same for data. My Browser looks at this web site on a mac, someone else's looks at it on a PC and a different browser. Or you might have non Juniper sources flying over routers with no issues.
Meaning has Huawei seen BT coming and built this in?
It's not just Huawei - all the vendors do this.
There is a push at the moment by the operators to develop 'OpenRAN'. Some smaller outfits are keen, but it remains to be seen if the big vendors climb onboard.
5G at the moment is OTT - Over the Top and relies on 4G switching . There is a later series to come which will be standalone.
Zirconia said:
Boris promised super duper stuff.
5g will not just be for phones, it will be for a total solution outside calls but I would rather a fibre into my home, the reach of this stuff will be big but I would not expect many to make much use out of mobile for calls. I suspect 5g will be a patch for the non reach of fast fibre in places.
But the UK has just let a country that routinely hacks us have an easier access point. I wonder how far out they can be kept.
Except I strongly suspect the places unable to get fibre will be the ones who won't get 5G coverage either 5g will not just be for phones, it will be for a total solution outside calls but I would rather a fibre into my home, the reach of this stuff will be big but I would not expect many to make much use out of mobile for calls. I suspect 5g will be a patch for the non reach of fast fibre in places.
But the UK has just let a country that routinely hacks us have an easier access point. I wonder how far out they can be kept.
(I live out in the sticks - don't see what all the fuss is about 100mbps+++ connections. 8 seems to work fine for most things).I'd like to see some contractual ties on 5G operators that mean they have to get 4G *everywhere* within 5yrs of getting a 5G license.
(Couldn't give am monkeys about Huawei being involved. It's political. If the Chinese/Russians/whomever want to pry, they'll pry. Other mechanisms are needed to prevent that being a problem).
Murph7355 said:
Except I strongly suspect the places unable to get fibre will be the ones who won't get 5G coverage either (I live out in the sticks - don't see what all the fuss is about 100mbps+++ connections. 8 seems to work fine for most things).
I'd like to see some contractual ties on 5G operators that mean they have to get 4G *everywhere* within 5yrs of getting a 5G license.
(Couldn't give am monkeys about Huawei being involved. It's political. If the Chinese/Russians/whomever want to pry, they'll pry. Other mechanisms are needed to prevent that being a problem).
The original 5G licenses were supposed to have similar type guarantee's (not 100%). The Operators are trying to persuade government to let them form a joint mast share business for remote coverage areas where coverage does not exist in exchange for getting rid of the guarantee. (I live out in the sticks - don't see what all the fuss is about 100mbps+++ connections. 8 seems to work fine for most things).I'd like to see some contractual ties on 5G operators that mean they have to get 4G *everywhere* within 5yrs of getting a 5G license.
(Couldn't give am monkeys about Huawei being involved. It's political. If the Chinese/Russians/whomever want to pry, they'll pry. Other mechanisms are needed to prevent that being a problem).
UK Government will probably fall for it even though similar schemes have been tried and failed in the past.
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