US presidential election 2020:Winner?
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p1stonhead said:
Bernie surely the nomination now. On their head be it if the Dems don’t run with him.
I agree. However, let’s wait until after Super Tuesday to see how Bloomberg and even Biden do before saying that. After then, if he is still ahead, you will be correct; any blocking of Sanders will be dirty dealings. Countdown said:
The Russians are meddling in favour of Bernie because it’s likely to benefit Trump.
The Russians also meddled in favour of Trump in 2016.
There have been numerous stories about Trump using dirty Russian money to support his businesses
I’ve lost count of the number of times Trump has used the Courts to try and hide the financial links.
Your POTUS is in Putin’s hip pocket. It became transparently clear when he criticised the US security agencies and accepted Putin’s explanation at a press conference. Does this not embarrass you even one little bit?
I believe you gladly believe all of what you hear/read from whatever sources you frequent. It doesn’t embarrass me because I do not believe he is “in their pocket”. You of course may hold to that if you wish. The Russians also meddled in favour of Trump in 2016.
There have been numerous stories about Trump using dirty Russian money to support his businesses
I’ve lost count of the number of times Trump has used the Courts to try and hide the financial links.
Your POTUS is in Putin’s hip pocket. It became transparently clear when he criticised the US security agencies and accepted Putin’s explanation at a press conference. Does this not embarrass you even one little bit?
That could easily be determined by the FBI and CIA, both who have people who do not like Trump. If you know it to be absolutely true, do you not think they could figure it out as well? Also, that solid evidence would have long since made it to the Dem house and into the past impeachment articles. Give that a thought Countdown.
Jimbeaux said:
Countdown said:
The Russians are meddling in favour of Bernie because it’s likely to benefit Trump.
The Russians also meddled in favour of Trump in 2016.
There have been numerous stories about Trump using dirty Russian money to support his businesses
I’ve lost count of the number of times Trump has used the Courts to try and hide the financial links.
Your POTUS is in Putin’s hip pocket. It became transparently clear when he criticised the US security agencies and accepted Putin’s explanation at a press conference. Does this not embarrass you even one little bit?
I believe you gladly believe all of what you hear/read from whatever sources you frequent. It doesn’t embarrass me because I do not believe he is “in their pocket”. You of course may hold to that if you wish. The Russians also meddled in favour of Trump in 2016.
There have been numerous stories about Trump using dirty Russian money to support his businesses
I’ve lost count of the number of times Trump has used the Courts to try and hide the financial links.
Your POTUS is in Putin’s hip pocket. It became transparently clear when he criticised the US security agencies and accepted Putin’s explanation at a press conference. Does this not embarrass you even one little bit?
That could easily be determined by the FBI and CIA, both who have people who do not like Trump. If you know it to be absolutely true, do you not think they could figure it out as well? Also, that solid evidence would have long since made it to the Dem house and into the past impeachment articles. Give that a thought Countdown.
Jimbeaux said:
Countdown said:
he’s refused to release his tax returns. He’s trying to stop Deutsche Bank from releasing his financial records. Why do you think that is?
You believe ties to Russian money would be in tax returns? 
Come on Countdown! 
He’s refused to release his tax returns. He’s trying to stop Deutsche Bank from releasing his financial records. Why do you think that is?
Countdown said:
He’s refused to release his tax returns. He’s trying to stop Deutsche Bank from releasing his financial records. Why do you think that is?
Countdown, let me save you the keyboard time. All Billionaires are bound to be a bit dodgy in their financial dealings.
Most of the time they don't truly understand where their money is invested and/or taxed.
If you have 1000 million in a fund or swashing around in various bank accounts all across the world, someone will find something to complain about. It comes with the territory of being filthy rich.
Opening yourself up to this sort of financial analysis is a political grenade, his voters and supporters don't really care and for the Democrats its a bit like firing bullets into the air, lots of noise, lots of energy expended but no real change on anything.
I am not trying to shut down the discussion on this, by all means keep typing in your viewpoint but to expect any material f
ks to be given is aspirational at best. Trump is a bit rich, a bit filthy with it and that is who he is, he has been like it for over 10 years, its not like the voters did'nt know before he became POTUS.Countdown said:
A sidestep worthy of Daniel LaRusso, let’s try again.......
He’s refused to release his tax returns. He’s trying to stop Deutsche Bank from releasing his financial records. Why do you think that is?
I don’t know and neither do you. There could be many reasons. Speculation is just that, speculation. Is there a particular bit of evidence saying that Russian money related to the election and Trump is in a German bank? If so, there would be more legal methods to get at it. Other than that, they are just randomly searching for whatever comes up. If you condone that type of non just cause search, may I have the password to your accounts please?He’s refused to release his tax returns. He’s trying to stop Deutsche Bank from releasing his financial records. Why do you think that is?
Edited by Jimbeaux on Sunday 23 February 15:07
Might I suggest we keep the Trump feeding frenzie on the 500+page Trump thread? The Dems have a long process yet before choosing a Presidencial candidate. Until then, can we keep this “Election 2020” thread on track? Once the Dems choose someone this Summer, discussing him/her against Trump will make more sense.
Jimbeaux said:
Countdown said:
A sidestep worthy of Daniel LaRusso, let’s try again.......
He’s refused to release his tax returns. He’s trying to stop Deutsche Bank from releasing his financial records. Why do you think that is?
I don’t know and neither do you. There could be many reasons. Speculation is just that, speculation. He’s refused to release his tax returns. He’s trying to stop Deutsche Bank from releasing his financial records. Why do you think that is?
. It’s a tough call.
In relation to Carl’s post about people not giving a f
k, I disagree. There will be a point when even some Republicans put principles and self respect before personal benefit. And that just might tip the balance.Countdown said:
Given his record I can take a guess. I’m sure you can as well. The guy’s a crook and potentially up to his neck in Russian mafia money. You’re ashamed to even admit that might be a possibility, and rightly so. It’s a dilemma for you; OTOH he’s a suitable lightning rod whilst McConnell gets all the GOP policies actioned, OTOH you have to live with the shame of having a President who is a crook and acts like a .
It’s a tough call.
In relation to Carl’s post about people not giving a fk, I disagree. There will be a point when even some Republicans put principles and self respect before personal benefit. And that just might tip the balance.
“Given his record I can take a guess.”. It’s a tough call.
In relation to Carl’s post about people not giving a f
k, I disagree. There will be a point when even some Republicans put principles and self respect before personal benefit. And that just might tip the balance.“ The guy’s a crook and potentially up to his neck in Russian mafia money”.
Listen to yourself. You are right, you can “guess”.
Fortunately, “guessing” does not trigger action outside of due process, that is not how things are done.
Oh I admit it’s a possibility. As it is with Obama, Boris, or even you for all I know. But there you are still speculating. We know how you feel but don’t get angry because your feelings have no basis in legal evidence.
No, I’m not ashamed to not condemn a man when legal evidence has not been established; you should be ashamed however, for thinking so.
Edited by Jimbeaux on Sunday 23 February 15:26
Carl_Manchester said:
We don’t truly know how the Dem.
Senators will react, it could be a repeat of the Rep. attitude towards Trump - Denial then acceptance.
Looks like Bern is going to win fair and square and that’s the important thing, that the young people voting for Sanders have a dog in the fight. Democracy in action.
Bernie's got momentum but Bloomberg hasn't been on the ballot yet and he is spending more than Trump's net worth on Super Tuesday. I would wait until after then to anoint the Bern.Senators will react, it could be a repeat of the Rep. attitude towards Trump - Denial then acceptance.
Looks like Bern is going to win fair and square and that’s the important thing, that the young people voting for Sanders have a dog in the fight. Democracy in action.
RDMcG said:
Downballot Dems must be horrified at the prospect of Bernie as the candidate. Not a chance he will beat Trump in my view ,and I am no Trump fan.
They are. That is why the DNC will start trying to lean Bloomberg’s way. Watch and see if this doesn’t happen. Starting with the left leaning media. unrepentant said:
Bernie's got momentum but Bloomberg hasn't been on the ballot yet and he is spending more than Trump's net worth on Super Tuesday. I would wait until after then to anoint the Bern.
This is a true statement. I have been telling people this for a while now. In addition, Biden will do better in South Carolina and perhaps Super Tuesday. Plus, the Dems, and the media, will be looking for ways to boost Bloomberg. Watch for this to begin. I wouldn’t mind Mike winning myself, his policies will be similar to Trump’s anyway; no way he governs as a leftist. RDMcG said:
Downballot Dems must be horrified at the prospect of Bernie as the candidate. Not a chance he will beat Trump in my view ,and I am no Trump fan.
Except every head to head poll shows him beating Trump comfortably.....If he gets the nomination and picks a running mate who can energize the African American electorate (Stacey Abrams for instance) and they turn out.. We know that he will turn out the young vote like no other candidate and he is doing very well with Latinos. Who knows what might happen.
Trump is very unpopular amongst decent people and I think whoever is the nominee will pick up a lot of votes from disillusioned Trump 16 voters. I also think a proportion of voters who held their nose and voted Trump last time will stay home.
unrepentant said:
Except every head to head poll shows him beating Trump comfortably.....
If he gets the nomination and picks a running mate who can energize the African American electorate (Stacey Abrams for instance) and they turn out.. We know that he will turn out the young vote like no other candidate and he is doing very well with Latinos. Who knows what might happen.
Trump is very unpopular amongst decent people and I think whoever is the nominee will pick up a lot of votes from disillusioned Trump 16 voters. I also think a proportion of voters who held their nose and voted Trump last time will stay home.
You perhaps should have learned your lesson with “head to head polls” in 2016. I disagree with those polls. If he gets the nomination and picks a running mate who can energize the African American electorate (Stacey Abrams for instance) and they turn out.. We know that he will turn out the young vote like no other candidate and he is doing very well with Latinos. Who knows what might happen.
Trump is very unpopular amongst decent people and I think whoever is the nominee will pick up a lot of votes from disillusioned Trump 16 voters. I also think a proportion of voters who held their nose and voted Trump last time will stay home.
You say “Trump is unpopular with decent people”, therefore implying that all who support Trump are indecent. I assure you that is not so. I of course should not need to point that out.
Jimbeaux said:
“Given his record I can take a guess.”
“ The guy’s a crook and potentially up to his neck in Russian mafia money”.
Listen to yourself. You are right, you can “guess”.
Fortunately, “guessing” does not trigger action outside of due process, that is not how things are done.
Oh I admit it’s a possibility. As it is with Obama, Boris, or even you for all I know. But there you are still speculating. We know how you feel but don’t get angry because your feelings have no basis in legal evidence.
No, I’m not ashamed to not condemn a man when legal evidence has not been established; you should be ashamed however, for thinking so.
“ The guy’s a crook and potentially up to his neck in Russian mafia money”.
Listen to yourself. You are right, you can “guess”.
Fortunately, “guessing” does not trigger action outside of due process, that is not how things are done.
Oh I admit it’s a possibility. As it is with Obama, Boris, or even you for all I know. But there you are still speculating. We know how you feel but don’t get angry because your feelings have no basis in legal evidence.
No, I’m not ashamed to not condemn a man when legal evidence has not been established; you should be ashamed however, for thinking so.
Have Obama or Boris been accused of crimes? Have they actively tried to prevent those crimes from being investigated? Have they previously been taken to Court 1600 times? If it walks like a weasel and talks like a weasel it's usually Donald Trump.
Your hypocrisy and double standards do you no credit.
Jimbeaux said:
You say “Trump is unpopular with decent people”, therefore implying that all who support Trump are indecent. I assure you that is not so. I of course should not need to point that out.
It's an interesting philosophical question; Can somebody who actively supports a proven liar, a fraud, a bankrupt, a criminal, somebody with the most suspect of moral values, consider themselves to be "decent"?ETA I'm sure the answer is going to be "Obama". it usually is.
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