US presidential election 2020:Winner?

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Jimbeaux said:

Could be but he already has the black vote. You said a running mate that’s more progressive, that could backfire. The voters he needs to regain from Trump were traditional old school Dems, not progressives.

Will the black support he has shown in the primaries count for much in the general election, as the southern states will go for Trump then?
And will progressives, possibly having seen Bernie screwed over by superdelegates, be inclined to vote for him, in the same was as centrists will be disinclined to go for Bernie if he was the candidate?
Will swing voters in swing states go for Biden, seeing him as a safer bet than Crazy Donnie, as his policies will mean 4 more years of the same anyway.

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If she goes for Biden her support will be VERY pissed off!

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ZX10R NIN said:

They're nowhere near beating Trump have you seen Bidens political receipts? They're not great & Trump will maul him over the coals for this.

He has no policies he's on record for saying he'll keep things the same as they are which is great for the corporations & the 1% but no good for anyone else.

Your magic beans comment shows you're a bit ill informed the Koch brothers commissioned three different studies & all of them showed M4A saved the tax payer 35 million in the first 5 years in comparison to the system they have now.

Now yes the middle class will have to pay a bit more in tax but they won't be paying for inadequate health insurance or be tied to a job because of it's health insurance .

People have to look past the sound bites & actually look at the policies, I was hoping it would be Warren but when she started taking Hilary & Obama people in then flip flopping on M4A she killed her campaign.

You say Biden's the one name one of his policies that add up to change & helping out all Americans?

Bernie is the one person Trump doesn't want because Bernie has documented policies that have been broken down & show how they're going to be paid for he also has political receipts dating back 30+ years showing what he's about, Trump can't attack those.

Can you imagine Trump on the debate stage trying to talk about policies with Bernie?

Biden on the other hand he'll get personal crooked Joe & his son plus he won't have to discuss policies with Biden because he has none which is perfect for Trump.

This is Biden so far..

As you say, Bernie has the right policies, and 40+ years of fighting for decency. Centrists didn't win against Bush or Trump, Obama ran as a progressive (but changed) and won. A Sanders/Warren (to allay the more moderate's fears) would be good. People will have the Warren safety net if they think Bernie will keep lover with a heart attack
The MA Governer will no doubt nominate a Rep replacement though, but it might be worth it

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And American Samoa! Don't forget American Samoa

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Jimbeaux said:

This is where I say you don’t understand politics quite enough over here. ...

Very possibly I cannot conceive why uninsured people earning$30k would be so upset about billionaires getting taxed at 50+% on anything over $2bn, and getting free medical care! Why do people object to not paying for higher education? Who doesn't want a better environment? Proper wages, proper housing for all. No schoolmates coming home from the middle East in a box, or missing limbs?
And that people don't want women in control of their reproductive health, want an invisible sky fairy to be involved in everything, are happy to cage and separate kids,then lose them, are ok with children being massacred in schools, innocent people gunned down by law enforcement, and rich people,or just white people, getting away with,in some cases, literally murder, but lots and lots of crime.
And it's OK to disenfranchise the wrong kind of voters,and let foreign governments have a hand in elections, or take their bribes
Seems a lot are "I'm alright Jack,so fk YOU!"

Edited by kowalski655 on Thursday 5th March 13:43

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Vanden Saab said:

Countdown said:

Vanden Saab said:

Trump got 62,984,828 votes. Suggesting he won because of 77,744 votes is madness. Without the other 62,907,084 votes he would have lost...

he got less votes than Hillary in total. He got more in certain specific states (77,744 to be precise). had he not received those specific votes he would have lost, even if he had got a billion more votes in Alabama

Would he have won with only those 77,744 votes?

Don't be daft, the way the EC works means that those states he took, with the help of polling data leaked to Russian bot farms, took him over the winning line. He could have had a million more votes in Alabama and still have the same EC votes, but these are the votes that swung it in 2016.

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Jimbeaux said:

My point to him was simple. He said that Warren as a mate would bring moderate votes to Sanders. I stated that he does not fully understand the voter here as they consider her a socialist as well (a bit dialed back) and would not bring moderate votes. None of that other ranting was mentioned.

I was thinking of the more moderate, Biden supporting,Dems, who would be wary of voting for Bernie at all & so stay home, as he would be seen as a commie or socialist (he's neither) Liz would be more corporate friendly
If I'm wrong, so be it. The polls linked upthread suggest Trump loses either way

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janesmith1950 said:

paulguitar said:

Well, no, I think they are very different.

But my point is that Bernie seems a sincere and decent human being, who genuinely wants what is best for ordinary citizens, and I just cannot see how that could make him ‘an ahole’.

It is because people like him are dangerous. They preach one way of life. If they genuinely mean it, they are buffoons who should not be let anywhere near power. If they don't, they're disengenuous hypocrites who should not be let anywhere near power.

It's a really poor choice in the elections for US citizens, unfortunately. A bunch of angry/irrational pensioners.

Bernie's been saying the same things: M4A wealth equality, racial equality, pro LBGT, social and educational rights,etc,for his entire career, longer than many on here have been alive!
He doesn't flip flop on issues depending on focus group opinion, or who will pay, hasn't changed party or pro life stance like Trump just to win votes.
He is no asshole he is a genuine and honourable man. I personally think he would make as great a president as FDR( also called a socialist!) or JFK

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Socialism for the rich, rugged capitalism for the poor.
As some bloke called King said. Some Americans may have heard of him

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Jimbeaux said:

If JFK were running today you left lot would carve him up on here. His version of a Dem was mostly today’s GOP.

Edited by Jimbeaux on Friday 6th March 23:00

I'm not sure this sounds like the current GOP
https://youtu.be/14A1zxaHpD8
But it does sound familiar

[kowalski655]

Does Tulsi have ANY relevance now? No votes at all, it's a 2 horse race, let the 2 debate without wasting time

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Why would he? Defending allies like the Afghans and the Kurds doesn't get him votes.
"Bringing the boys back home" (or rather, sending them to KSA to support his murderous mate,as mercenaries) sounds better

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Creationism, be it young or old earth, is still bloody stupid

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Indeed,it was more in relation to Jimbeaux's comment about only 5% being Young Earth types....doesnt matter,they are all daft as a brush,and a good portion will be wearing MAGA hats given his strong evangelical base

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Warren and Sanders' policies are very close, even more so before she flipped on M4A, she has nothing in common with Biden.

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Trump would LOVE to be able to claim an extension because of CV! He has already tried with the impeachment...forgetting he has spent half his time on the golf course

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The next democratic party debate has been changed from standing up, moderator run to seated with audience questions, to being completely cancelled to cover up Biden's mental health because of Coronavirus fears.

WTF? 2 old men and a moderator is easily done, doesn't need an audience

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The DNC are just Republicans who prefer blue! They would rather have 4 more years of Trump than see Bernie succeed, as long as rich donors keep paying

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unrepentant said:

............ Biden has also picked up the endorsement of Corey Booker, who campaigns with him in Flint today. The Booker endorsement is just the latest from high profile Democrats including Kamala Harris, Deval Patrick, Amy Klobuchar, Pete Buttigieg, Mike Bloomberg, Andrew Cuomo, Gretchen Whitmer, Chris Coons, Tammy Duckworth and a huge number of current and former senators, congressmen and governors.

Where the hell i Warren's endorsement. She seems determined to fk the progressives(and she claims she is one) over

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vaud said:

So is Biden-Bloomberg a joint ticket (with Bloombergs funding)...?

Thats just Trump with less golf!