US presidential election 2020:Winner?
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The one that might work would be Biden/Buttigieg.
The problem is that once Sanders is removed from the Ticket, the Sanders swing voters will either vote Trump/Pence or not vote at all.
Does Buttigieg have enough of a draw amongst Sanders base to flip them? Not sure he does in 2020, he might do in 2024.
Sanders is a force of nature, what we need to happen is for time to work its magic and get Biden and Sanders out of the ballot for 2024 to allow Buttigieg a free hand to run with someone like Michelle Obama.
Countdown said:
unrepentant said:
Fittster said:
How will the running mate for the Democratic nominee be selected?
Can the nominee simply pick anyone they like?
The nominee can pick whoever they like. Can the nominee simply pick anyone they like?
For me it would be Biden/Warren
NoNeed said:
It will be Clinton/Biden, don't underestimate how these two corrupt individuals can make things happen
It would seem to make more sense for one of the moderates to team with one of the Socialists to pull those votes. However, they likely would not be able to get along; more so their voter base, which would expect the duo to lean one way or the other. NoNeed said:
It will be Clinton/Biden, don't underestimate how these two corrupt individuals can make things happen
It would seem to make more sense for one of the moderates to team with one of the Socialists to pull those votes. However, they likely would not be able to get along; more so their voter base, which would expect the duo to lean one way or the other. Countdown said:
Fortunately corruption doesn't seem to be a problem for GOP voters so it would definitely help their numbers.
Imo all politicians, without exception are to some extent corrupt and self serving. Therefore, If that is all there is to choose from I choose the ones that I believe will best serve the nation's interest. That is what we hire them to do. Edited by Jimbeaux on Monday 24th February 15:39
So, here is where the Dem nomination delegate counts stands as of this morning:
https://www.google.com/search?q=democratic+nominat...
Sanders is ahead. However, after March 3rd, we will know more. In addition, as Unrepentent has stated, don't discount Bloomberg for having 0 delegates; he is yet to be on a ballot. That too will change.
https://www.google.com/search?q=democratic+nominat...
Sanders is ahead. However, after March 3rd, we will know more. In addition, as Unrepentent has stated, don't discount Bloomberg for having 0 delegates; he is yet to be on a ballot. That too will change.
Carl_Manchester said:
Sanders is a force of nature, what we need to happen is for time to work its magic and get Biden and Sanders out of the ballot for 2024 to allow Buttigieg a free hand to run with someone like Michelle Obama.
Michelle Obama has said on several occasions she has never had and never will have any interest in running for any public office.Do you have some new info, Carl?
Jimbeaux said:
hidetheelephants said:
osh, what a well-argued riposte. I'm convinced now that Trump isn't a corrupt, nepotistic kleptocrat.
Awesome, now you can concern yourself with post Brexit and E.U. Negotiations, the Labour Party, etc. NoNeed said:
When will they end this pretend democratic process, we all know Hilary is going to have another go I will be shocked if she doesn't
Farcically long and comically shambolic in organisation as the DNC have made it, the primary is, so far, real; unlike the GoP primary which really is a sham given several states aren't running one, definite banana republic tendencies there.Clinton is rather marmite so unlikely to win even if she did a hail mary on stage for super tuesday, if she wanted on someone's ticket as veep who would have her? Any damn fool can toady to Wall Street, she has no special powers there, Biden and Buttigieg appear to have just as much capability to do that with far less baggage. No, she's not done any fundraising, she has no intention of running.
Speculating about who the veep pick might be, my own shot in the dark is that if the Bern wins convention says he needs a moderate veep pick and a young one too in case he pegs it, so Buttigieg, Klobuchar, Castro or even Yang look good on paper, whether they could ever reach an agreement is another matter. The same would apply if Warren won, although I suspect she would have an easier time finding a running mate. Abrams would seem to be a sub-optimal pick as her appeal isn't that different from Bernie's or Warren's, although obviously she would help getting the black vote out.
If Biden wins he might benefit from a liberal veep choice, Abrams would be a good fit on paper, or perhaps Cory Booker.
A Buttigieg win would suggest picking Warren for veep.
I haven't considered Bloomberg as I still think he's going to crash and burn, but I'm happy to eat my words.
paulguitar said:
Carl_Manchester said:
Sanders is a force of nature, what we need to happen is for time to work its magic and get Biden and Sanders out of the ballot for 2024 to allow Buttigieg a free hand to run with someone like Michelle Obama.
Michelle Obama has said on several occasions she has never had and never will have any interest in running for any public office.Do you have some new info, Carl?
hidetheelephants said:
Farcically long and comically shambolic in organisation as the DNC have made it, the primary is, so far, real; unlike the GoP primary which really is a sham given several states aren't running one, definite banana republic tendencies there.
Clinton is rather marmite so unlikely to win even if she did a hail mary on stage for super tuesday, if she wanted on someone's ticket as veep who would have her? Any damn fool can toady to Wall Street, she has no special powers there, Biden and Buttigieg appear to have just as much capability to do that with far less baggage. No, she's not done any fundraising, she has no intention of running.
Speculating about who the veep pick might be, my own shot in the dark is that if the Bern wins convention says he needs a moderate veep pick and a young one too in case he pegs it, so Buttigieg, Klobuchar, Castro or even Yang look good on paper, whether they could ever reach an agreement is another matter. The same would apply if Warren won, although I suspect she would have an easier time finding a running mate. Abrams would seem to be a sub-optimal pick as her appeal isn't that different from Bernie's or Warren's, although obviously she would help getting the black vote out.
If Biden wins he might benefit from a liberal veep choice, Abrams would be a good fit on paper, or perhaps Cory Booker.
A Buttigieg win would suggest picking Warren for veep.
I haven't considered Bloomberg as I still think he's going to crash and burn, but I'm happy to eat my words.
I agree with all you state here with the possible exception of Bloomberg. IMO, he still has the potential to surprise. I would still say no if pressed but not as long of a shot as some say.Clinton is rather marmite so unlikely to win even if she did a hail mary on stage for super tuesday, if she wanted on someone's ticket as veep who would have her? Any damn fool can toady to Wall Street, she has no special powers there, Biden and Buttigieg appear to have just as much capability to do that with far less baggage. No, she's not done any fundraising, she has no intention of running.
Speculating about who the veep pick might be, my own shot in the dark is that if the Bern wins convention says he needs a moderate veep pick and a young one too in case he pegs it, so Buttigieg, Klobuchar, Castro or even Yang look good on paper, whether they could ever reach an agreement is another matter. The same would apply if Warren won, although I suspect she would have an easier time finding a running mate. Abrams would seem to be a sub-optimal pick as her appeal isn't that different from Bernie's or Warren's, although obviously she would help getting the black vote out.
If Biden wins he might benefit from a liberal veep choice, Abrams would be a good fit on paper, or perhaps Cory Booker.
A Buttigieg win would suggest picking Warren for veep.
I haven't considered Bloomberg as I still think he's going to crash and burn, but I'm happy to eat my words.
Carl_Manchester said:
No, I think M.Obama and H.Clinton will keep quiet until Bernie and Biden have past and then look to emerge from the rubble of the Democratic party.
But what is it that makes you think Michelle Obama will suddenly decide to run for public office if every time she’s been asked about this, she has plainly stated she has no interest in doing so?It’s something I would be happy to see, just the idea of having a respectable, kind and decent person around in US politics appeals, but I’ve heard nothing to suggest this is ever going to happen.
Jimbeaux said:
Fittster said:
Is Mike Pence definitely Trumps running mate for the 2020 election?
That is a good question. One would assume but it wouldn’t surprise me if there were a change. 
Sanders' "disastrous answers" on news show "60 Minutes".
One could see this as why the GOP wants Sanders as the Dem nominee or as the media working to shut him down in favor of Bloomberg or other moderate.
https://currently.att.yahoo.com/att/xandr/bernie-s...
One could see this as why the GOP wants Sanders as the Dem nominee or as the media working to shut him down in favor of Bloomberg or other moderate.
https://currently.att.yahoo.com/att/xandr/bernie-s...
M4A will cost LESS(as per that interview & loads of studies)
Here is a response on other funding,not sure if its from the same interview
https://imgur.com/CVNM0Jy
The article at the end deliberately misrepresents the tax so called "increase" for M4A..
Here is a response on other funding,not sure if its from the same interview
https://imgur.com/CVNM0Jy
The article at the end deliberately misrepresents the tax so called "increase" for M4A..
Article said:
Guthrie: Will you raise taxes for the middle class in a Sanders administration?
Sanders: People who have health care under "Medicare for All" will have no premiums, no deductibles, no copayments, no out of pocket expenses. Yes, they will pay more in taxes, but less in health care for what they get.
So, here's what we now know about Sanders' plans for America:
1) He isn't sure how much they will cost.
2) He isn't totally sure how he will pay for them.
3) It's likely they will be paid for by an increase in taxes on the middle class.
Paying $8K less in premiums and $2K in taxes seems like a win to me..or am I wrong?Sanders: People who have health care under "Medicare for All" will have no premiums, no deductibles, no copayments, no out of pocket expenses. Yes, they will pay more in taxes, but less in health care for what they get.
So, here's what we now know about Sanders' plans for America:
1) He isn't sure how much they will cost.
2) He isn't totally sure how he will pay for them.
3) It's likely they will be paid for by an increase in taxes on the middle class.
Edited by kowalski655 on Monday 24th February 20:29
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