US presidential election 2020:Winner?
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Noodle1982 said:
Amazing isn't it. You all jump on the tear gas band wagon and when you are informed that it wasn't tear gas you all start to malfunction.
Does it make much difference if it was tear gas or some other chemical weapon? It was clearly horrendous for anyone affected by it.Noodle1982 said:
do any of you even know the full details of the church visit by trump?
I think most people saw quite enough. Perhaps everyone missed something, did he have a meeting with Jesus?Enlighten us.
paulguitar said:
Noodle1982 said:
Amazing isn't it. You all jump on the tear gas band wagon and when you are informed that it wasn't tear gas you all start to malfunction.
Does it make much difference if it was tear gas or some other chemical weapon? It was clearly horrendous for anyone affected by it.Noodle1982 said:
do any of you even know the full details of the church visit by trump?
I think most people saw quite enough. Perhaps everyone missed something, did he have a meeting with Jesus?Enlighten us.
It's clear you have no idea of that day's events surrounding the church visit.
Noodle1982 said:
Most people didn't see enough.
It's clear you have no idea of that day's events surrounding the church visit.
Well, he certainly seriously pissed off the people from the church itself, as well as many other religious leaders.It's clear you have no idea of that day's events surrounding the church visit.
Perhaps you could enlighten us as to whatever it is you are trying to say, ideally without recourse to Breitbart.
Noodle1982 said:
Countdown said:
The fact that you can't post the first chap's tweet without editing it speaks volumes about him. the 2nd one also seems to fit 100% into the Trump mould which suggests that the modern-day GOP (the one that uses teargas on people in order to use a church for a photo opportunity) is ideally suited to them both.
It has been confirmed that it was not tear gas. Byker28i said:
US park police said they didn’t use “CS or CN” tear gas, technically that’s correct. “OC” gas cannisters were used instead. Causes same tears, tight breath and comes out green. This DOJ handout from 1994 says OC has the same irritant effects as CS and CN but also causes debilitating swelling
https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/nij/grants/181655....
Pepper irritants were also used, which the CDC classifies as a sort of tear gas - https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/...https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/nij/grants/181655....
pinchmeimdreamin said:
Noodle1982 said:
Amazing isn't it. You all jump on the tear gas band wagon and when you are informed that it wasn't tear gas you all start to malfunction
Apparently it was OC or pepper spray gas which has the same effects as tear gas plus causes painful swelling.Noodle1982 said:
pinchmeimdreamin said:
Noodle1982 said:
Amazing isn't it. You all jump on the tear gas band wagon and when you are informed that it wasn't tear gas you all start to malfunction
Apparently it was OC or pepper spray gas which has the same effects as tear gas plus causes painful swelling.Noodle1982 said:
pinchmeimdreamin said:
Noodle1982 said:
Amazing isn't it. You all jump on the tear gas band wagon and when you are informed that it wasn't tear gas you all start to malfunction
Apparently it was OC or pepper spray gas which has the same effects as tear gas plus causes painful swelling.Noodle1982 said:
Most people didn't see enough.
It's clear you have no idea of that day's events surrounding the church visit.
What flight did you get back then?It's clear you have no idea of that day's events surrounding the church visit.
You were obviously there to have such inside knowledge.
Once again. The f
king semantic gymnastics you people perform to justify Trump. In the bin you go.
Mad Dog finally unleashed on Trump:
General Mattis said:
In Union There Is Strength
I have watched this week’s unfolding events, angry and appalled. The words “Equal Justice Under Law” are carved in the pediment of the United States Supreme Court. This is precisely what protesters are rightly demanding. It is a wholesome and unifying demand—one that all of us should be able to get behind. We must not be distracted by a small number of lawbreakers. The protests are defined by tens of thousands of people of conscience who are insisting that we live up to our values—our values as people and our values as a nation.
When I joined the military, some 50 years ago, I swore an oath to support and defend the Constitution. Never did I dream that troops taking that same oath would be ordered under any circumstance to violate the Constitutional rights of their fellow citizens—much less to provide a bizarre photo op for the elected commander-in-chief, with military leadership standing alongside.
We must reject any thinking of our cities as a “battlespace” that our uniformed military is called upon to “dominate.” At home, we should use our military only when requested to do so, on very rare occasions, by state governors. Militarizing our response, as we witnessed in Washington, D.C., sets up a conflict—a false conflict—between the military and civilian society. It erodes the moral ground that ensures a trusted bond between men and women in uniform and the society they are sworn to protect, and of which they themselves are a part. Keeping public order rests with civilian state and local leaders who best understand their communities and are answerable to them.
James Madison wrote in Federalist 14 that “America united with a handful of troops, or without a single soldier, exhibits a more forbidding posture to foreign ambition than America disunited, with a hundred thousand veterans ready for combat.” We do not need to militarize our response to protests. We need to unite around a common purpose. And it starts by guaranteeing that all of us are equal before the law.
Instructions given by the military departments to our troops before the Normandy invasion reminded soldiers that “The Nazi slogan for destroying us…was ‘Divide and Conquer.’ Our American answer is ‘In Union there is Strength.’” We must summon that unity to surmount this crisis—confident that we are better than our politics.
Donald Trump is the first president in my lifetime who does not try to unite the American people—does not even pretend to try. Instead he tries to divide us. We are witnessing the consequences of three years of this deliberate effort. We are witnessing the consequences of three years without mature leadership. We can unite without him, drawing on the strengths inherent in our civil society. This will not be easy, as the past few days have shown, but we owe it to our fellow citizens; to past generations that bled to defend our promise; and to our children.
We can come through this trying time stronger, and with a renewed sense of purpose and respect for one another. The pandemic has shown us that it is not only our troops who are willing to offer the ultimate sacrifice for the safety of the community. Americans in hospitals, grocery stores, post offices, and elsewhere have put their lives on the line in order to serve their fellow citizens and their country. We know that we are better than the abuse of executive authority that we witnessed in Lafayette Square. We must reject and hold accountable those in office who would make a mockery of our Constitution. At the same time, we must remember Lincoln’s “better angels,” and listen to them, as we work to unite.
Only by adopting a new path—which means, in truth, returning to the original path of our founding ideals—will we again be a country admired and respected at home and abroad.
James Mattis Denounces President Trump, Describes Him as a Threat to the ConstitutionI have watched this week’s unfolding events, angry and appalled. The words “Equal Justice Under Law” are carved in the pediment of the United States Supreme Court. This is precisely what protesters are rightly demanding. It is a wholesome and unifying demand—one that all of us should be able to get behind. We must not be distracted by a small number of lawbreakers. The protests are defined by tens of thousands of people of conscience who are insisting that we live up to our values—our values as people and our values as a nation.
When I joined the military, some 50 years ago, I swore an oath to support and defend the Constitution. Never did I dream that troops taking that same oath would be ordered under any circumstance to violate the Constitutional rights of their fellow citizens—much less to provide a bizarre photo op for the elected commander-in-chief, with military leadership standing alongside.
We must reject any thinking of our cities as a “battlespace” that our uniformed military is called upon to “dominate.” At home, we should use our military only when requested to do so, on very rare occasions, by state governors. Militarizing our response, as we witnessed in Washington, D.C., sets up a conflict—a false conflict—between the military and civilian society. It erodes the moral ground that ensures a trusted bond between men and women in uniform and the society they are sworn to protect, and of which they themselves are a part. Keeping public order rests with civilian state and local leaders who best understand their communities and are answerable to them.
James Madison wrote in Federalist 14 that “America united with a handful of troops, or without a single soldier, exhibits a more forbidding posture to foreign ambition than America disunited, with a hundred thousand veterans ready for combat.” We do not need to militarize our response to protests. We need to unite around a common purpose. And it starts by guaranteeing that all of us are equal before the law.
Instructions given by the military departments to our troops before the Normandy invasion reminded soldiers that “The Nazi slogan for destroying us…was ‘Divide and Conquer.’ Our American answer is ‘In Union there is Strength.’” We must summon that unity to surmount this crisis—confident that we are better than our politics.
Donald Trump is the first president in my lifetime who does not try to unite the American people—does not even pretend to try. Instead he tries to divide us. We are witnessing the consequences of three years of this deliberate effort. We are witnessing the consequences of three years without mature leadership. We can unite without him, drawing on the strengths inherent in our civil society. This will not be easy, as the past few days have shown, but we owe it to our fellow citizens; to past generations that bled to defend our promise; and to our children.
We can come through this trying time stronger, and with a renewed sense of purpose and respect for one another. The pandemic has shown us that it is not only our troops who are willing to offer the ultimate sacrifice for the safety of the community. Americans in hospitals, grocery stores, post offices, and elsewhere have put their lives on the line in order to serve their fellow citizens and their country. We know that we are better than the abuse of executive authority that we witnessed in Lafayette Square. We must reject and hold accountable those in office who would make a mockery of our Constitution. At the same time, we must remember Lincoln’s “better angels,” and listen to them, as we work to unite.
Only by adopting a new path—which means, in truth, returning to the original path of our founding ideals—will we again be a country admired and respected at home and abroad.
Carl_Manchester said:
Can’t play unless it’s about Biden. You’ll have to ask in the bubble.
A spent force, just resorting to popping in and posting things you know are rubbish. You've been proven to be wrong so many times, trying to follow and push trump when everyone showed you evidence of everything you posted was wrong, questionable, yet you trumped and doubled down continuously rather than admit you were wrong.Then you just drop that subject and try something else. A poor individual with no value.
An electioning candidate, stands in a church for a photo op after being criticised for gassing his own citizens so he can stand outside a church for two minutes for another photo op. This only came about because he's taken one of the criticisms that he didn't even go inside. So the next day goes for a photo inside a church...
and you don't want to talk about the optics. As I said a pathetic spent force Carl
Edited by Byker28i on Thursday 4th June 06:05
Noodle1982 said:
Most people didn't see enough.
It's clear you have no idea of that day's events surrounding the church visit.
Well, the defence secretary has changed his account of the visit three times now. We have team trump blaming anyone but trump including Barr, Hope Hicks and Ivanka. Ivanka took the bible from her handbag. We know the whole visit was preplanned so they could produce the highly polished video within a very short time.It's clear you have no idea of that day's events surrounding the church visit.
We know they used forces to clear the area, and that Virginia has withdrawn it's personnel used, in horror at the way they were used as a political pawn for trumps election.
We know that trump staged it because he was upset at the image of him hiding in a panic room.
Yup we know an awful lot about the visit - none of it reflects well on trump.
Four former U.S. presidents spoke this week about systemic racism and injustice.
The current U.S. president spoke instead this week about using military force to dominate Americans who are protesting racial injustice.
The sameperson who promoted the racist “birther” lie that President Obama wasn’t born in the United States, who has repeatedly cursed out black football players and called for them to lose their jobs, who called for the Central Park Five to receive the death penalty, even though they were innocent, who frequently has accused black women politicians of being of low intelligence, his favourite lie when talking about people of colour.
...the four former presidents were measured and compassionate in tone and conveyed an urgency in their lengthy messages. It presented a sharp contrast with the incumbent’s hard line and unemotional leadership.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/all-four-l...
This is why Biden's going to win now, a return to normalcy after the failed experiment with trump.
The current U.S. president spoke instead this week about using military force to dominate Americans who are protesting racial injustice.
The sameperson who promoted the racist “birther” lie that President Obama wasn’t born in the United States, who has repeatedly cursed out black football players and called for them to lose their jobs, who called for the Central Park Five to receive the death penalty, even though they were innocent, who frequently has accused black women politicians of being of low intelligence, his favourite lie when talking about people of colour.
...the four former presidents were measured and compassionate in tone and conveyed an urgency in their lengthy messages. It presented a sharp contrast with the incumbent’s hard line and unemotional leadership.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/all-four-l...
This is why Biden's going to win now, a return to normalcy after the failed experiment with trump.
Cadet bunker bone spurs lied again yesterday when he said he was just inspecting the panic room
Trump was rushed to the secure bunker after a group of protesters hopped over temporary barricades, according to arrest records and people familiar with the incident.
That contradicts Trump's claim that he went to the bunker simply to inspect it.
The breach occurred around the time that the Secret Service alert level on the White House complex was elevated from “yellow” to “red,” according to a law enforcement official, who, like others. Officials familiar with the incident told colleagues that the president, the first lady and their son Barron were rushed to the bunker because of the episode.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/secret-ser...
Trump was rushed to the secure bunker after a group of protesters hopped over temporary barricades, according to arrest records and people familiar with the incident.
That contradicts Trump's claim that he went to the bunker simply to inspect it.
The breach occurred around the time that the Secret Service alert level on the White House complex was elevated from “yellow” to “red,” according to a law enforcement official, who, like others. Officials familiar with the incident told colleagues that the president, the first lady and their son Barron were rushed to the bunker because of the episode.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/secret-ser...
Snapchat has removed Donald Trump’s account from its “Discover” feature, it would no longer promote U.S. President Donald Trump’s account in Snapchat’s Discover section, saying his incendiary comments last week made the account ineligible for the curated section where users explore new content.
https://uk.reuters.com/article/us-snap-trump/snapc...
Joe Biden promptly posted a Snapchat video of his own, saying “I just wanted to tell you I’m proud to be able to run for president and still be on Snapchat.”
https://twitter.com/i/status/1268317492092510211
https://uk.reuters.com/article/us-snap-trump/snapc...
Joe Biden promptly posted a Snapchat video of his own, saying “I just wanted to tell you I’m proud to be able to run for president and still be on Snapchat.”
https://twitter.com/i/status/1268317492092510211
Byker28i said:
Snapchat has removed Donald Trump’s account from its “Discover” feature, it would no longer promote U.S. President Donald Trump’s account in Snapchat’s Discover section, saying his incendiary comments last week made the account ineligible for the curated section where users explore new content.
https://uk.reuters.com/article/us-snap-trump/snapc...
Joe Biden promptly posted a Snapchat video of his own, saying “I just wanted to tell you I’m proud to be able to run for president and still be on Snapchat.”
https://twitter.com/i/status/1268317492092510211
Are you genuinely impressed by Biden as a potential President or is it just anyone but Trump?https://uk.reuters.com/article/us-snap-trump/snapc...
Joe Biden promptly posted a Snapchat video of his own, saying “I just wanted to tell you I’m proud to be able to run for president and still be on Snapchat.”
https://twitter.com/i/status/1268317492092510211
Genuine question.
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