US presidential election 2020:Winner?

[Byker28i]

Secretly they know trump is ruining their chances of reelection. Looks like the ones who refused to stand again were the smart ones

Sen. Lisa Murkowski said the quiet part out loud.
Asked her thoughts Thursday about former Defense Secretary James Mattis' excoriation of President Donald Trump's behavior in the aftermath of the police killing of George Floyd, the Alaska Republican said this:
"When I saw General Mattis' comments yesterday I felt like perhaps we are getting to a point where we can be more honest with the concerns that we might hold internally and have the courage of our own convictions to speak up."


Make no mistake what Murkowski is acknowledging here: that many of her fellow Republicans -- and, presumably, her colleagues in the Senate -- have long held deep doubts about Trump and his conduct, but have lacked the courage of their convictions to speak out about those worries.

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/06/04/politics/lisa-m...

[Byker28i]

1602Mark said:

As for denying tear gas on a technicality?

Whats a technicality? Reporters actually picking up the empty canisters at St Johns church where they were fired?

WUSA9 news crews
This is what our crews picked up on 17th near H minutes after federal law enforcement cleared streets Monday night: Natural OC and artificial CS tear gas canisters. Released green choking gas that attacked our lungs and eyes. Item on right is flash bang.

[1602Mark]

Byker28i said:

1602Mark said:

As for denying tear gas on a technicality?

Whats a technicality? Reporters actually picking up the empty canisters at St Johns church where they were fired?

WUSA9 news crews
This is what our crews picked up on 17th near H minutes after federal law enforcement cleared streets Monday night: Natural OC and artificial CS tear gas canisters. Released green choking gas that attacked our lungs and eyes. Item on right is flash bang.

I'd just watched McEnany try to deny the use to Jim Acosta. It was clear to anyone watching that tear gas was used.


https://youtu.be/WX9A9-K1Y5c

Edited by 1602Mark on Friday 5th June 08:03

[Carl_Manchester]

Byker28i said:

Do you know what, no you didn't, because there's no way you could write that if you did, I believe you are lying again.
What you've done is read a few lines and posted it...

Biker, this exchange is getting kinda weird. I would recommend listening to it, the republicans went into the hearing and freestyled their questions and the Democrats read from a script. I found the ridiculous George Floyd related grandstanding at two hours and 45 minutes just as weird, as this was a hearing about the Russian collusion Investigation and clearly, that person wanted to waste everyone’s time, even the security guard behind Rosenstien was cringing.

[Countdown]

Countdown said:

Another summary here which (surprisingly) presents a slightly different view of events

https://www.lawfareblog.com/rod-rosensteins-peculi...

Carl - any comments about the above?

[Carl_Manchester]

Countdown said:

Countdown said:

Another summary here which (surprisingly) presents a slightly different view of events

https://www.lawfareblog.com/rod-rosensteins-peculi...

Carl - any comments about the above?

The article is largely correct in my opinion but it is mildly annoying that the article writer has to add a needless spin on it, a spin I wasn’t hearing in the questioning from the republicans in the hearing but yeah, admittedly, others have used.

The grand obamagate conspiracy theory is used as a narrative to lean on in the article when clearly in the hearing, people like Josh Hawley are not using this hyperbole and are going after the gross abuse of surveillance powers and potential misconduct of fbi staff in their line of questioning.

Apart from one Dem senator, who acknowledges the failings and is trying to work cross bench, the democrats are wasting time in the hearing, virtue signalling in the hearing about George Floyd, it’s like some of the Democratic senators are having their feed piped in from another hearing, really sad to see and hear at the end when the majority of the hearing was at least on topic, even if it was more like Lawyers reading scripted opening statements in a court case at times.

[Countdown]

Carl_Manchester said:

Countdown said:

Countdown said:

Another summary here which (surprisingly) presents a slightly different view of events

https://www.lawfareblog.com/rod-rosensteins-peculi...

Carl - any comments about the above?

The article is largely correct in my opinion but it is mildly annoying that the article writer has to add a needless spin on it, a spin I wasn’t hearing in the questioning from the republicans in the hearing but yeah, admittedly, others have used.

The grand obamagate conspiracy theory is used as a narrative to lean on in the article when clearly in the hearing, people like Josh Hawley are not using this hyperbole and are going after the gross abuse of surveillance powers and potential misconduct of fbi staff in their line of questioning.

Apart from one Dem senator, who acknowledges the failings and is trying to work cross bench, the democrats are wasting time in the hearing, virtue signalling in the hearing about George Floyd, it’s like some of the Democratic senators are having their feed piped in from another hearing, really sad to see and hear at the end when the majority of the hearing was at least on topic, even if it was more like Lawyers reading scripted opening statements in a court case at times.

Robbie Burns said:

O wad some Power the giftie gie us, to see oursels as ithers see us!

You recognise the "needless spin" in the Lawfare blog but appear to assume that the Republicans, Yurley, and your own comments are without bias or influenced?

[raftom]

Byker28i said:

Make no mistake what Murkowski is acknowledging here: that many of her fellow Republicans -- and, presumably, her colleagues in the Senate -- have long held deep doubts about Trump and his conduct, but have lacked the courage of their convictions to speak out about those worries.

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/06/04/politics/lisa-m...

What they are acknowledging is that they now realize they're in train to lose the senate and the presidency and they can't do anything to stop it because there's a moron in command.

[Byker28i]

GOP is now grand old racists

The governor of Texas is calling for the resignation of Bexar County Republican Party Chair Cynthia Brehm after she posted a conspiracy theory on her Facebook page about the death of George Floyd, the Statesman reports.

Brehm, who has claimed that the coronavirus pandemic is a Democratic hoax, suggested in her post that Floyd’s death was staged in order to damage President Trump. The post has since been deleted.

The post was:
“These officers were involved in something, I’m not sure exactly what, but something is just not adding up. Also this supposed officer is now missing from his home, no where to be found has the smell of MK Ultra activation. I think that there is at the very least the ‘possibility,’ that this was a filmed public execution of a black man by a white cop, with the purpose of creating racial tensions and driving a wedge in the growing group of anti deep state sentiment from common people, that have been already been psychologically traumatized by COVID 19 fears. Historically, in election years and politically contested areas or groups, racial or gun violence incidents are becoming common place. Considering the rising approval level of President Trump in the black community an event like this was entirely ‘Predictable.’”

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/06/texas-gop-officia...

Then!
Four Texas GOP county leaders share racist Facebook posts, including one juxtaposing an MLK quote with a banana
https://www.texastribune.org/2020/06/04/texas-greg...

George Bush has called for the resignation of Bexar, Nueces, Harris and Comal county GOP chairs

George P. Bush
@georgepbush
I have said it before and I will say it again now: the GOP must not tolerate racism. Of any kind. At any time. The appalling behavior by the four GOP County leaders must not stand. I urge them to do the honorable thing and step aside now.

[Countdown]

Byker28i said:

GOP is now grand old racists

It's nothing new sadly. The far right wing of the GOP was the focus/core of the Tea Party. IMO the mainstream GOP sucked up to them during Obama's presidency because they wanted their votes. And Trump was like a parasite, basically feeding their hate with his Birther theories and tweets about Obama and then living off it to feed his vanity and narcissism. Once Trump was elected there was no longer any need for them to be kept outside, their racism became mainstream.

[OzzyR1]

kowalski655 said:

On the day of the DNC Iowa caucus, I thought time to update the poll on next US President(the old one has Michelle Obama, I doubt she will win),as suggested on the Trump thread, & carry on the discussion of the 2020 election now its hotting up.

If you are the OP of a polling thread, can you reset the parameters and voting at any time or does it require a new thread/poll?

Would be interesting to see if 70% of folks still think Trump will win when his performance in the last 4 months is taken into account.

[anonymous-user]

OzzyR1 said:

If you are the OP of a polling thread, can you reset the parameters and voting at any time or does it require a new thread/poll?

Would be interesting to see if 70% of folks still think Trump will win when his performance in the last 4 months is taken into account.

When i first looked at this thread Trump was on 75%, it's been slowly moving down.

A fresh poll would probably show nearer 50% now i would think.

I watched the PC from the white house this afternoon, it was mental. Numbers made up left right and centre.

[minimoog]

OzzyR1 said:

Would be interesting to see if 70% of folks still think Trump will win when his performance in the last 4 months is taken into account.

You also have to take the electorate into account, so I doubt his chances of re-election have shifted much.

[raftom]

minimoog said:

OzzyR1 said:

Would be interesting to see if 70% of folks still think Trump will win when his performance in the last 4 months is taken into account.

You also have to take the electorate into account, so I doubt his chances of re-election have shifted much.

40% of Americans believe angels are real and earth is 6000 years old. There are plenty of votes for him in that cohort.

[OzzyR1]

raftom said:

minimoog said:

OzzyR1 said:

Would be interesting to see if 70% of folks still think Trump will win when his performance in the last 4 months is taken into account.

You also have to take the electorate into account, so I doubt his chances of re-election have shifted much.

40% of Americans believe angels are real and earth is 6000 years old. There are plenty of votes for him in that cohort.

I thought you must be mistaken there, but apparently not.

https://news.gallup.com/poll/261680/americans-beli...

Wow.

[kowalski655]

OzzyR1 said:

If you are the OP of a polling thread, can you reset the parameters and voting at any time or does it require a new thread/poll?

Would be interesting to see if 70% of folks still think Trump will win when his performance in the last 4 months is taken into account.

It says I can edit the pill, presumably take out everyone apart from Biden and Trump, but I've no idea if the current votes still remain

[Tom Logan]

kowalski655 said:

It says I can edit the poll, presumably take out everyone apart from Biden and Trump, but I've no idea if the current votes still remain

In that case perhaps it would be helpful to update the poll voting, perhaps the mods could help with this?

[Murph7355]

Byker28i said:

GOP is now grand old racists...

Not a winning strategy.

Nobody should tolerate racism. But if the GOPs opponents think that strategy is sound, they will be disappointed IMO. You can't tar that many people with that particular brush unless you are damn sure it is systemic within them and can prove it beyond doubt.

[Byker28i]

Biden leads President Trump among white college-educated women 67% to 28% in new NPR/PBS/Marist poll out today. In 2016 the same poll was 51% Clinton, 44% Trump

[Bill]

Tom Logan said:

kowalski655 said:

It says I can edit the poll, presumably take out everyone apart from Biden and Trump, but I've no idea if the current votes still remain

In that case perhaps it would be helpful to update the poll voting, perhaps the mods could help with this?

Us mods can't do much more than the OP. Your best bet is to start a new thread with a new poll, then link it here and I'll close this one.