US presidential election 2020:Winner?

[Halb]

MissChief said:

Many who voted for Buttigieg in the Iowa caucus apparently didn't know he was gay. When some people in one of the venues were told they asked if they could have their card back as they didn't want 'someone like that' in the White House. Trump is the kind of person who won't shy away from talking about that and there are still many in the States that won't vote for a gay person and see him as an abomination in the eyes of God. A lot of people will mobilise to picket and try and discredit him. I'm not sure the USA is ready for that. In fact I think there may even be some in the DNC who aren't ready to endorse him.

Hmmm, difficult to know if it'll hurt more than help, I guess hurt more in the mentalreligious places, but then would he do well there anyway? Took a quick look, 23 states allow discrimination, so winning districts there possibly wouldn't help him win the EC votes...unless they're into PR.
USA has become more intolerant in the last few years.
https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2018/01/...

[Jimbeaux]

I am a Republican by voter registration. I do, however, like Mayor Pete. The “gay” factor does not bother me. I simply disagree with what appears to be his policies. However, his support amongst black And Latino Americans is low. That is due to the fact that those two demographics do not look favorably upon homosexuality. Reasons for that aside, it is just a fact. Additionally, Pete was Mayor of a city that was a consistent poo poo storm of racial conflict and economic upheaval. He was known mostly for installing decorative lights under the bridge and things along those lines. In other words, he was seen, correctly or not, as not taking on the hard issues.
Oh, and hello all, old and new. I stepped away a couple of years or so. Not dead or in jail, just busy.

Edited by Jimbeaux on Sunday 9th February 17:44

[Chester35]

Jimbeaux said:

I am a Republican by voter registration. I do, however, like Mayor Pete. The “gay” factor does not bother me. I simply disagree with what appears to be his policies. However, his support amongst black And Latino Americans is low. That is due to the fact that those two demographics do not look favorably upon homosexuality. Reasons for that aside, it is just a fact. Additionally, Pete was Mayor of a city that was a consistent poo poo storm of racial conflict and economic upheaval. He was known mostly for installing decorative lights under the bridge and things along those lines. In other words, he was seen, correctly or not, as not taking on the hard issues.
Oh, and hello all, old and new. I stepped away a couple of years or so. Not dead or in jail, just busy.

Edited by Jimbeaux on Sunday 9th February 17:44

He's a bit of an outsider isn't he?

The fact that being gay is not longer an issue tells a lot.


A mayor for a small city against the establishment and also a business man.

Welcome 2020 !

There is no deep state, but there is a new wind of people liking non politicians ....

Edited by Chester35 on Sunday 9th February 17:54

[Jimbeaux]

Being only a small city mayor does label him an outsider somewhat, yes. However, that is increasingly seen as a good thing by most Americans who have had their fill of “Politics as usual”. The biggest dynamic at work here is that he is a moderate whereas Sanders and Warren are leftists. The Dem party is in a fight for its “soul and direction” if you will; the future for them being center or left is at stake. That will be the impetus for attack on Pete by the leftists. Look for accusations from the left of him taking money from Billionaires. Taking money from mere millionaires is not mentioned because Mr. sanders ( many don’t realize) is himself a millionaire.
Edited to add: I am keenly aware of the different bars set between our different sides of the big lake as to what constitutes “leftists and Communists”. We can discuss that later.

Edited by Jimbeaux on Sunday 9th February 18:02

[turbobloke]

Jimbeaux said:

Edited to add: I am keenly aware of the different bars set between our different sides of the big lake as to what constitutes “leftists and Communists”. We can discuss that later.

Edited by Jimbeaux on Sunday 9th February 18:02

Welcome back Jimbeaux.

ISWYM about the pondage, but in the very recent past I reckon the Democrats are heading off into Corbynism asper AOC's Green New Deal, an eco-mask for socialism pure and simple. Over here Corbyn's lefties offered pretty much free everything, the AOC GND is offering not quite so much of everything but still a lot of free stuff on a similar ticket.

[Jimbeaux]

True, that comparison is valid IMHO. On a side note, AOC May be on her way out though. She recently cost her district many high paying jobs by scaring Amazon away from setting up a distro center there.

[ZX10R NIN]

Jimbeaux said:

I am a Republican by voter registration. I do, however, like Mayor Pete. The “gay” factor does not bother me. I simply disagree with what appears to be his policies. However, his support amongst black And Latino Americans is low. That is due to the fact that those two demographics do not look favorably upon homosexuality. Reasons for that aside, it is just a fact. Additionally, Pete was Mayor of a city that was a consistent poo poo storm of racial conflict and economic upheaval. He was known mostly for installing decorative lights under the bridge and things along those lines. In other words, he was seen, correctly or not, as not taking on the hard issues.
Oh, and hello all, old and new. I stepped away a couple of years or so. Not dead or in jail, just busy.

Edited by Jimbeaux on Sunday 9th February 17:44

His support is low due to his actions in South Bend with both the Police & Fire Chief as well as the tapes (sound familiar) he won't release of some cops discussing removing the police chief as it's what hus donors wanted.

Also he hasn't actually released any policy proposals or showed how he'll pay for them, for me Pete is just air, people say they don't want socialism but isn't that exactly what happened with the bank bailouts tbh you need both capitalism & socialism to make a country work imo.

[Jimbeaux]

This might well be true. As stated, city level issues aren’t always fully articulated in national news. Thanks for that.

[Jimbeaux]

ZX10R; thanks for your input there, I appreciate it. These city-level nuisances are things the rest of the country is usually not acquainted with. However, if true, such things will be brought forth by his Dem rivals throughout the primary season.

[ZX10R NIN]

Yea she killed that deal but it meant a lot of people didn't have to move further out of her district because of the predicted rent rises that would follow Amazon basing themselves there plus the extra cost on their wallets due to the tax breaks Amazon (who don't pay tax) were promised in the first place.

So I think she'll survive this one but it was a risky move.

[ZX10R NIN]

Jimbeaux said:

ZX10R; thanks for your input there, I appreciate it. These city-level nuisances are things the rest of the country is usually not acquainted with. However, if true, such things will be brought forth by his Dem rivals throughout the primary season.

Oh those issues will be brought out even his own district has now entered this issues into it's official records as a matter of fact & it's his own personal lawyer who has the tapes & is refusing to release them.

For me it's his lack of actual policies that rules him out for me anyone this far in should have policies & numbers that can be scrutinised without this, it tells me that you're going to be a puppet for your donors not the electorate.

Also for me if you're already hiding tapes & not dealing with racial issues at a local level then you're going to be a lightweight president.

[Jimbeaux]

You make valid points. More to come I am sure!

[ZX10R NIN]

For me the only person who can possibly beat Trump is Bernie otherwise Trump gets another term, the Impeachment was a joke but everyone knew he'd be acquitted even before house proceedings had finish, RM cited 10 clear cases of obstruction of justice & then there was the perfect call that was so good he still won't release the actual transcript.

One thing I will give Trump lots of credit for is the fact he can project a message truth or not.

[kowalski655]

ZX10R NIN said:

For me the only person who can possibly beat Trump is Bernie otherwise Trump gets another term, the Impeachment was a joke but everyone knew he'd be acquitted even before house proceedings had finish, RM cited 10 clear cases of obstruction of justice & then there was the perfect call that was so good he still won't release the actual transcript.
One thing I will give Trump lots of credit for is the fact he can project a message truth or not.

Thats a brave thing to say on here but Ive been for Bernie since day 1. he is the only politician working for the average American, whether they realise it or not,or whether they want it or not. Anyone with 2 braincells can see that M4A is better for 99% of Americans, plus all his other plans, that in this county would barely make the labour manifesto. But over there anyone to the left of Hitler is a goddam commie! He has been fighting for this for 40+ years, the only one not beholden to Billionaires(& he is only a millionaire because he wrote a best selling book-the epitome of the American Dream!)Trump cant slag him off for sniffing hair or claiming to be Indian, in any debate he would be obliterated.
The problem at the moment is the Dem primaries, as the US doesnt have an oficial leader ofthe opposition until the very last minute. They could have a sort of Anti POTUS that would lead the opposition. But I think Bernie will get the nomination, despite the DNC doing everything possible to stop him & keep their monied backers happy. Once that happens I think his message & his advantages will become clear.
Plus he has The Incredible Hulk & The Penguin supporting him

[ZX10R NIN]

Not brave what I've said is true & can be backed up with facts, as you say Bernie has political receipts that go back 40 years & he'll win despite the DNC.

I still believe Warren snatched defeat from the jaws of victory with her M4A u turn.

The DNC is asking for unity but Hilary is on TV lying saying Bernie didn't help her in the way she helped Obama one did over 100 appearances the other 14 I'll leave you to guess who did more & who didn't release photos of Obama making it appear that he was a Muslim.

I always laugh to myself when they repeatedly ask how you pay for it, but no one asks how they're going to find the defense budget or the money for the wall lol.

[kowalski655]

Couldnt agree more, but look at the opinion poll on the winner for the PH opinion
Not sure if its MAGA trolls upvoting,or pessimistic Dems
Agree on the funding too-Bernie is the only one currently pointing out the cost of continuing wars(& has done it for ALL the past ones too-for every American bad decision in the last 40 years there is a video of Bernie being against it) All the Dems voted for the defence budget(although IIRC it included a lot of other stuff they wanted so kinda had to)
People praise Trump for not starting any new wars(yet!) but Bernie will try to negotiate, not drop bombs as 1st resort

[Halb]

Jimbeaux said:

I am a Republican by voter registration. I do, however, like Mayor Pete. The “gay” factor does not bother me. I simply disagree with what appears to be his policies. However, his support amongst black And Latino Americans is low. That is due to the fact that those two demographics do not look favorably upon homosexuality. Reasons for that aside, it is just a fact. Additionally, Pete was Mayor of a city that was a consistent poo poo storm of racial conflict and economic upheaval. He was known mostly for installing decorative lights under the bridge and things along those lines. In other words, he was seen, correctly or not, as not taking on the hard issues.
Oh, and hello all, old and new. I stepped away a couple of years or so. Not dead or in jail, just busy.

well done on resurrecting and escaping from gaol....that's what you meant...right!

[paulguitar]

kowalski655 said:

People praise Trump for not starting any new wars(yet!)

Yes, I am routinely surprised by this. Firstly, that could change on any day, given his regular irresponsible behaviour, and secondly, it seems fortunate, rather than anything else, that he hasn’t already caused a major conflict of some kind with his ‘Little Rocket Man’ taunts, etc…

[kowalski655]

Taunts liKe that,tearing up Obama era deals on nukes with Iran, pro Israel peace "plan"" etc, certainly dont help lower tensions

[Carl_Manchester]

_dobbo_ said:

The important question is will the Dems line up behind their candidate after all this?

I thought Biden was going to walk Iowa and unify the opposition.

Sanders is a populist and not really part of the Democrat mindset, some people think that if Sanders cries foul that a split off party is inevitable which is bad news for Dems because if anyone else other than Sanders is elected to run some Sanders supporters will vote for Tump, strange as that situation is.

Bloomberg is not a unification candidate he is part of the oligarchy system that Sanders wants to break up.

Strange situation really, it almost feels that Dems need another election cycle to get rid of Bernie off the ticket, same way we had to deal with Corbyn.