Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 9

[hutchst]

Evercross said:

The last politician I can remember conferring upon themselves a nation's parent status was Idi Amin!

a.k.a. the 'Last King of Scotland.'

[technodup]

Here it is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qeoNCP98ASI

[Dinoboy]

It put me in mind of Thatcher's 'we are a grandmother'.

[anonymous-user]

Can't imagine why father isn't doing well in the polls

[technodup]

Why are you so obsessed by mid term polls? The only poll that matters is the one that he won a few months back. Oh and the one he also won a couple of years back. And the couple he won in London.

He was also on the winning side of the thread title poll. Must try harder.

ETA I just read the rest of the speech, if the public was to hear it the majority would definitely approve. A positive tub thumping vision of Britain in the world. Imagine May delivering that

https://www.gov.uk/government/speeches/pm-speech-i...

And I'm not a Boris lover.

Edited by technodup on Sunday 5th July 15:50

[Evercross]

sambucket said:

Can't imagine why father isn't doing well in the polls.

Father?

Ah yes - another straw man.

You are rapidly affirming your position as the purveyor of entirely straw-based arguments. You have nothing to counter the point that Sturgeon is elevating herself above the position of elected representative of the populace to maternal custodian of the populace so you dig out a quote where Boris says something entirely different ie. that the nation and the collective populace are the masters of their own destiny and prefix it with your own quote above to try and fabricate equivalence where there absolutely isn't, indeed where his sentiment was diametrically opposite.

Regardless of his politics Boris Johnson has never put himself on a pedestal the way Sturgeon did with her self-bestowed 'chief corporate parent' title.

Edited by Evercross on Sunday 5th July 16:45

[anonymous-user]

technodup said:

Why are you so obsessed by mid term polls? The only poll that matters is the one that he won a few months back. Oh and the one he also won a couple of years back. And the couple he won in London.

He was also on the winning side of the thread title poll. Must try harder.

ETA I just read the rest of the speech, if the public was to hear it the majority would definitely approve. A positive tub thumping vision of Britain in the world. Imagine May delivering that

https://www.gov.uk/government/speeches/pm-speech-i...

And I'm not a Boris lover.

Edited by anonymous-user on Sunday 5th July 15:50

Thanks for the link. He does write a good speech.

I regret writing the bit about polls. I mainly posted this excerpt as it reminded me of your comments. In a fairly neutral way.

I'm not obsessed with the polls. Interested today, yes, as they don't come that often. I am interested in ongoing polls more than old results, as I'm a gradualist, not an outright 'separatist'. I was living far away in the years surrounding the referendum , and so the whole event passed me by entirely.

I wish Evercross would adopt a less warlike tone, as I am sure there is good stuff in his posts, but I can never get past the first line.

Just explaining where the 'poll' comment came from.

Edited by anonymous-user on Sunday 5th July 17:36

[A.J.M]

The mask slips.

It has since been deleted but the language used speaks volumes.

With us. Or the enemy.
Pro UK means anti Scottish.

[anonymous-user]

Worth noting she is American so perhaps doesn't really have a deep grip on this stuff.

[A.J.M]

Worth noting she is Glorious leader Wee Nippys advisor.

She is fully aware.

[technodup]

sambucket said:

I'm not obsessed with the polls. Interested today, yes, as they don't come that often. I am interested in ongoing polls more than old results, as I'm a gradualist, not an outright 'separatist'.

That's fine, but the middle of a pandemic (funny how we all use that word now as if it was bread or milk ) isn't the best time to gauge the mood of the nation.

Support for independence has flatlined since the referendum. It's the reason the biggest cheerleader for it (Wings) has lost patience with Sturgeon and her gradualist (or more accurately, stalled) approach. The SNP is split, with some wanting gung ho action, and others like Wishart quite happy to ride the gravy train of Westminster a while longer. There's no referendum on the cards either, and if there was the SNP still don't have answers to the old questions (and by all accounts they don't have the money to fight one anyway).

So it's a long time off, if it ever happens again. Make the most of the current situation.

[Edinburger]

Latest Scottish independence polling from @thetimesscot and @Panelbase:



Scotland has a general election in May 2021, and if there's no swing away from the SNP by then they'll take a huge majority and they're getting close to a clear majority for independence.

[Edinburger]

Rise in support could be linked to Nicola Sturgeon’s approval rating for Covid19 response rising to +60 while Boris Johnson’s is down to -39.

[technodup]

As ever Edinburger with his finger bang on the pulse...

[biggbn]

sambucket said:

technodup said:

Why are you so obsessed by mid term polls? The only poll that matters is the one that he won a few months back. Oh and the one he also won a couple of years back. And the couple he won in London.

He was also on the winning side of the thread title poll. Must try harder.

ETA I just read the rest of the speech, if the public was to hear it the majority would definitely approve. A positive tub thumping vision of Britain in the world. Imagine May delivering that

https://www.gov.uk/government/speeches/pm-speech-i...

And I'm not a Boris lover.

Edited by technodup on Sunday 5th July 15:50

Thanks for the link. He does write a good speech.

I regret writing the bit about polls. I mainly posted this excerpt as it reminded me of your comments. In a fairly neutral way.

I'm not obsessed with the polls. Interested today, yes, as they don't come that often. I am interested in ongoing polls more than old results, as I'm a gradualist, not an outright 'separatist'. I was living far away in the years surrounding the referendum , and so the whole event passed me by entirely.

I wish Evercross would adopt a less warlike tone, as I am sure there is good stuff in his posts, but I can never get past the first line.

Just explaining where the 'poll' comment came from.

Edited by sambucket on Sunday 5th July 17:36

You think Boris writes his own speeches?

[technodup]

biggbn said:

You think Boris writes his own speeches?

Going by some of the references and the length of some of the sentences I'd say on that one he's at least had a very big hand in it, yes.

[biggbn]

technodup said:

biggbn said:

You think Boris writes his own speeches?

Going by some of the references and the length of some of the sentences I'd say on that one he's at least had a very big hand in it, yes.

Will give it a look. I would have assumed most politicians speeches are written by underlings and embellished by the politician. I am not discussing the speech you reference here but I dont like his delivery or word choice. Its all very much style over substance and boy, he repeats a lot of the same Greek references!! For me, Boris is the guy who sells you the timeshare that will never be built. And he doesn't care if it will be built or not, because he needs his commission/adulation

[ninepoint2]

technodup said:

Here it is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qeoNCP98ASI

that is just 10/10 on the cringe factor, rather sad she thinks that way, however it does go a long way to explain many of her "nanny state" failed policies

[csd19]

I see that despite all the teeth-gnashing and wailing about quarantine for passengers arriving in Scotland, Asda Jeannie had admitted nothing has been done with test and trace in the last 4 weeks.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-po...

[General Price]

csd19 said:

I see that despite all the teeth-gnashing and wailing about quarantine for passengers arriving in Scotland, Asda Jeannie had admitted nothing has been done with test and trace in the last 4 weeks.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-po...

She'll just send them to a nursing home for a couple of weeks.