Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 9
Discussion
hutchst said:
Tories are Conservative politicians or occasionally, in a wider context, party members, across the UK.
Toarees are mythical bogeymen that exist in tbe minds of some Scottish politians, traditionally believed to inhabit a mythical faraway land called Westminster.
Agreed. It is a misappropriation of language, but why play their game. Debate like adults and make them look like the immature onesToarees are mythical bogeymen that exist in tbe minds of some Scottish politians, traditionally believed to inhabit a mythical faraway land called Westminster.
biggbn said:
Perfectly valid point, I'm no fan of divisiveness either way and cannot deny that both accent and vocabulary is rich and diverse north of the border...as it is the world over. I'm no fan of SNP or Sturgeon and only raised the point for the reasons I give...and posted an apology for my tone. If you, or anyone else wish to still use this caricatured Scot's language, crack on. Your prerogative. For me it diminishes the impact of what you are saying and destroys credibility, but, each to their own. Freedom of speech and freedom of expression does not mean freedom from consequence, the consequence being excellent argumentative points are lost in the lazy caricaturing. Easy to hit an open goal.
I dont want to cause disharmony, I would not poke fun at another's accent, but, each to their own. To clarify, I agree with you about the b
disation of the word tory by some SNP to reconfigure it as a catch all for all that's wrong in their world. But to sink to that level of debate is only engaging on their terms. Sun Tzu would have something to say about that!!
I generally agree with all of that.I dont want to cause disharmony, I would not poke fun at another's accent, but, each to their own. To clarify, I agree with you about the b
disation of the word tory by some SNP to reconfigure it as a catch all for all that's wrong in their world. But to sink to that level of debate is only engaging on their terms. Sun Tzu would have something to say about that!! ant1973 said:
She doesn't care. No evidence that anyone is moving to England. I am not remotely convinced she wants indy; why bother when she has power without responsibility. We need to pray for a split in the indy vote.
Anecdotal I know, when I moved back to the UK in June 2014 I discounted buying a house in Scotland solely because of the risk of a yes vote destroying the Scottish economy and housing market. glazbagun said:
biggbn said:
Perfectly valid point, I'm no fan of divisiveness either way and cannot deny that both accent and vocabulary is rich and diverse north of the border...as it is the world over. I'm no fan of SNP or Sturgeon and only raised the point for the reasons I gave...and posted an apology for my tone. If you, or anyone else wish to still use this caricatured Scot's language, crack on. Your prerogative. For me it diminishes the impact of what you are saying and destroys credibility, but, each to their own. Freedom of speech and freedom of expression does not mean freedom from consequence, the consequence being excellent argumentative points are lost in the lazy caricaturing. Easy to hit an open goal.
I dont want to cause disharmony, I would not poke fun at another's accent, but, each to their own. To clarify, I agree with you about the bdisation of the word tory by some SNP to reconfigure it as a catch all for all that's wrong in their world. But to sink to that level of debate is only engaging on their terms. Sun Tzu would have something to say about that!!
I generally agree with all of that.I dont want to cause disharmony, I would not poke fun at another's accent, but, each to their own. To clarify, I agree with you about the b
disation of the word tory by some SNP to reconfigure it as a catch all for all that's wrong in their world. But to sink to that level of debate is only engaging on their terms. Sun Tzu would have something to say about that!! 
DuncsGTi said:
ant1973 said:
She doesn't care. No evidence that anyone is moving to England. I am not remotely convinced she wants indy; why bother when she has power without responsibility. We need to pray for a split in the indy vote.
Anecdotal I know, when I moved back to the UK in June 2014 I discounted buying a house in Scotland solely because of the risk of a yes vote destroying the Scottish economy and housing market. 
biggbn said:
hutchst said:
Tories are Conservative politicians or occasionally, in a wider context, party members, across the UK.
Toarees are mythical bogeymen that exist in tbe minds of some Scottish politians, traditionally believed to inhabit a mythical faraway land called Westminster.
Agreed. It is a misappropriation of language, but why play their game. Debate like adults and make them look like the immature onesToarees are mythical bogeymen that exist in tbe minds of some Scottish politians, traditionally believed to inhabit a mythical faraway land called Westminster.
ant1973 said:
biggbn said:
hutchst said:
Tories are Conservative politicians or occasionally, in a wider context, party members, across the UK.
Toarees are mythical bogeymen that exist in tbe minds of some Scottish politians, traditionally believed to inhabit a mythical faraway land called Westminster.
Agreed. It is a misappropriation of language, but why play their game. Debate like adults and make them look like the immature onesToarees are mythical bogeymen that exist in tbe minds of some Scottish politians, traditionally believed to inhabit a mythical faraway land called Westminster.
ant1973 said:
Parody and satire can be a little cruel at times...
Indeed, although hardly in this case.If one were to look for analogies, one might conclude that Nicola is far more post-2017 Theresa May than Boris Johnson. I suspect that a similar fate awaits, despite what the manufactured polls purport to tell us.
hidetheelephants said:
I'm pretty sure tory was created as a derogatory term for conservative, subsequently adopted by them, not unlike Fred Hoyle's coining of Big Bang as a derogatory term for a particular theory about the origin of the universe was subverted by everyone adopting it and using it in scientific literature.
But Jo Swinson's Whigs does have a certain ring to it.hutchst said:
ant1973 said:
Parody and satire can be a little cruel at times...
Indeed, although hardly in this case.If one were to look for analogies, one might conclude that Nicola is far more post-2017 Theresa May than Boris Johnson. I suspect that a similar fate awaits, despite what the manufactured polls purport to tell us.
I don't rely on polls for anything and they've proven to be wrong several times, but your use of the word "manufactured" is interesting?
For those that are interested, the face nappy regulations only apply to a retail setting i.e. sale or hire of goods or services which takes place in an indoor setting. It excludes:-
(a)restaurants, including restaurants and dining rooms in hotels or members’ clubs,
(b)cafes, including workplace canteens,
(c)bars, including bars in hotels or members’ clubs,
(d)public houses,
(e)banks, building societies, credit unions, short-term loan providers, savings clubs, cash points and undertakings which by way of business operate a currency exchange office, transmit money (or any representation of money) by any means or cash cheques which are made payable to customers.”.
You are permitted not to wear a face mask if you have a reasonable excuse which includes (but is not limited to):-
(5A) In relation to the wearing of a face covering, a reasonable excuse includes—
(a)to seek medical assistance,
(b)to provide care or assistance to a vulnerable person, including to provide emergency assistance,
(c)to avoid injury, illness or to escape a risk of harm,
(d)where the person cannot put on, wear or remove a face covering—
(i)because of any physical or mental illness or impairment or disability (within the meaning of section 6 of the Equality Act 2010),
(ii)without severe distress,
(e)to communicate with a person who has difficulties communicating (in relation to speech, language or otherwise),
(f)to eat or drink where reasonably necessary,
(g)to take medication,
(h)to remove a face covering temporarily to comply with a request by a relevant person or another person acting in the course of their duties, and for the purposes of this sub-paragraph “relevant person” has the meaning given by regulation 7(12).]
(a)restaurants, including restaurants and dining rooms in hotels or members’ clubs,
(b)cafes, including workplace canteens,
(c)bars, including bars in hotels or members’ clubs,
(d)public houses,
(e)banks, building societies, credit unions, short-term loan providers, savings clubs, cash points and undertakings which by way of business operate a currency exchange office, transmit money (or any representation of money) by any means or cash cheques which are made payable to customers.”.
You are permitted not to wear a face mask if you have a reasonable excuse which includes (but is not limited to):-
(5A) In relation to the wearing of a face covering, a reasonable excuse includes—
(a)to seek medical assistance,
(b)to provide care or assistance to a vulnerable person, including to provide emergency assistance,
(c)to avoid injury, illness or to escape a risk of harm,
(d)where the person cannot put on, wear or remove a face covering—
(i)because of any physical or mental illness or impairment or disability (within the meaning of section 6 of the Equality Act 2010),
(ii)without severe distress,
(e)to communicate with a person who has difficulties communicating (in relation to speech, language or otherwise),
(f)to eat or drink where reasonably necessary,
(g)to take medication,
(h)to remove a face covering temporarily to comply with a request by a relevant person or another person acting in the course of their duties, and for the purposes of this sub-paragraph “relevant person” has the meaning given by regulation 7(12).]
hutchst said:
ant1973 said:
Parody and satire can be a little cruel at times...
Indeed, although hardly in this case.If one were to look for analogies, one might conclude that Nicola is far more post-2017 Theresa May than Boris Johnson. I suspect that a similar fate awaits, despite what the manufactured polls purport to tell us.
technodup said:
Absolutely mental. Why some people think more government is a good thing I'll never understand.
We now have 7 iterations of these regulations micro managing every aspect of life. On one level it is actually very funny. I have visited my last shop for a while and I doubt I will be alone. Still nearly at the end of July and the onset of the real misery will not be far off as furlough ends. No one will be talking about this ridiculous virus by the end of August. Staying safe will likely mean keeping a roof over your head and food on the table. The politicians deserve all that is coming to them. Clearly she is also intent on leaving some sectors of the economy closed while furlough ends. Can't see that having a happy ending...
ant1973 said:
hutchst said:
ant1973 said:
Parody and satire can be a little cruel at times...
Indeed, although hardly in this case.If one were to look for analogies, one might conclude that Nicola is far more post-2017 Theresa May than Boris Johnson. I suspect that a similar fate awaits, despite what the manufactured polls purport to tell us.
Humour, satire, caricature are wonderful and can prove more incisive than supposed high brow debate. The poor mimicking others hardly counts in that regard for me im afraid.
biggbn said:
ant1973 said:
hutchst said:
ant1973 said:
Parody and satire can be a little cruel at times...
Indeed, although hardly in this case.If one were to look for analogies, one might conclude that Nicola is far more post-2017 Theresa May than Boris Johnson. I suspect that a similar fate awaits, despite what the manufactured polls purport to tell us.
Humour, satire, caricature are wonderful and can prove more incisive than supposed high brow debate. The poor mimicking others hardly counts in that regard for me im afraid.
Because masks are so worth it according to Swinney:-
"We are now in a situation where people have much more freedom but coronavirus is still in our community.
"There are still, we believe, about 1,000 people who are carrying the infection in Scottish society."
Pretty slim odds of meeting someone with the virus... What's that? Use them when the virus was more prevalent? That would be mental. What are you thinking...
"We are now in a situation where people have much more freedom but coronavirus is still in our community.
"There are still, we believe, about 1,000 people who are carrying the infection in Scottish society."
Pretty slim odds of meeting someone with the virus... What's that? Use them when the virus was more prevalent? That would be mental. What are you thinking...
Countries all over the world (including England) are initiating local lock downs to suppress the virus, due to the massive economic and social consequences of going into winter with covid not under control
And in here, we are whining about face nappies and high taxes and basically calling it the little flu.
Just out of interest, who here supports Trump?
Edited by anonymous-user on Friday 10th July 09:08
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