Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 9

[biggbn]

ant1973 said:

biggbn said:

ant1973 said:

hutchst said:

ant1973 said:

Parody and satire can be a little cruel at times...

Indeed, although hardly in this case.

If one were to look for analogies, one might conclude that Nicola is far more post-2017 Theresa May than Boris Johnson. I suspect that a similar fate awaits, despite what the manufactured polls purport to tell us.

I think given the nationalists grip of Scottish life and their apparent insensitivity towards those of a different disposition, we are entitled to be no less cruel in rejoinder. It's good that they are not about to criminalise satire... Oh wait....

I find that an interesting point. Does poor, immature, divisive behaviour by another group validate the same kind of behaviour by yourself? He/they started it? Sounds like the kind of excuse given at primary schools all over the world, behaviour that engenders whataboutery and is doomed to stifle debate and maintain said division going forward.

Humour, satire, caricature are wonderful and can prove more incisive than supposed high brow debate. The poor mimicking others hardly counts in that regard for me im afraid.

When the phrase in question is used to demonstrate utter contempt for a legitimate but different point of view, I think it is worthy of being parodied. Her pronunciation of it is artificially exaggerated to give it a guttural vibe. And it is basically a euphemism for a mythical bogeyman to distract the mentally enfeebled from their own failings.

We have discussed this before man, i take your point of view although don't wholly endorse it. Have a great day, gbn

[ant1973]

Here's a good example of legislative incompetence. The regs provide that a face covering must cover the nose and the mouth. So unless your mask covers the entirety of the nose (nostril coverage is insufficient), you are breaking the law....

[biggbn]

ant1973 said:

Here's a good example of legislative incompetence. The regs provide that a face covering must cover the nose and the mouth. So unless your mask covers the entirety of the nose (nostril coverage is insufficient), you are breaking the law....

What is the point here? Surely to be effective a face covering must cover both nose and mouth? Or am I being slightly dim

[Leithen]

Despite having been trailed a week ago and confirmed yesterday, there is still no detailed guidance regarding the mitigation required for 1m in Pubs. Apparently it might appear later today.

Two working days to implement before the 15th, unless you take the approach of fk it, here's our mitigation like it or not.

Bunch of fking incompetents.

[ant1973]

biggbn said:

ant1973 said:

Here's a good example of legislative incompetence. The regs provide that a face covering must cover the nose and the mouth. So unless your mask covers the entirety of the nose (nostril coverage is insufficient), you are breaking the law....

What is the point here? Surely to be effective a face covering must cover both nose and mouth? Or am I being slightly dim

Think about where the top of your nose actually ends...

[Troubleatmill]

Listen to this radio interview.

It is a gem of complete ignorance on economics.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1307225/SN...

[biggbn]

ant1973 said:

biggbn said:

ant1973 said:

Here's a good example of legislative incompetence. The regs provide that a face covering must cover the nose and the mouth. So unless your mask covers the entirety of the nose (nostril coverage is insufficient), you are breaking the law....

What is the point here? Surely to be effective a face covering must cover both nose and mouth? Or am I being slightly dim

Think about where the top of your nose actually ends...

Ah, OK, get you. I am currently sporting a bandana that covers everything up to my eyes. I look like I'm going to rob the places I'm in. Their choice.

[ant1973]

biggbn said:

ant1973 said:

biggbn said:

ant1973 said:

Here's a good example of legislative incompetence. The regs provide that a face covering must cover the nose and the mouth. So unless your mask covers the entirety of the nose (nostril coverage is insufficient), you are breaking the law....

What is the point here? Surely to be effective a face covering must cover both nose and mouth? Or am I being slightly dim

Think about where the top of your nose actually ends...

Ah, OK, get you. I am currently sporting a bandana that covers everything up to my eyes. I look like I'm going to rob the places I'm in. Their choice.

Gold star. You are observing the law.

[technodup]

I don't have children but I know at some point they all ask why can't you just print loads of money and everyone can be a millionaire... but that's 6 or 7 year olds...

[ant1973]

Tut, tut, I can see a nose...

[Evercross]

technodup said:

I don't have children but I know at some point they all ask why can't you just print loads of money and everyone can be a millionaire... but that's 6 or 7 year olds...

Maybe Angus Brendan MacNeil learned monetary theory from one of his girlfriends...........

Edited by Evercross on Friday 10th July 10:02

[Roderick Spode]

Evercross said:

technodup said:

I don't have children but I know at some point they all ask why can't you just print loads of money and everyone can be a millionaire... but that's 6 or 7 year olds...

Maybe Angus Brendan MacNeil learned monetary theory from one of his girlfriends...........

Ah, Anguish Brenda... what a shining example of nationalist politics. Even with his disgrace they elected him again. The mind boggles.

"Politician discovered in bed with two 17 year olds, while his heavily pregnant wife was at home."

If that were a 'Toareeee' the outrage and indignation from the SNP would have been immediate and absolute.

[technodup]

I've just been KB'd from Sainsbury's for not wearing a mask.

Sturgeon and her supine band of little Hitler's in full effect.

[wc98]

technodup said:

I don't have children but I know at some point they all ask why can't you just print loads of money and everyone can be a millionaire... but that's 6 or 7 year olds...

that's what i used to think until very recently after a 2 hour conversation with a senior health professional running one of the local covid response teams. my mind is now blown. phrases and names such as richard branson,tax their millionaire pals, toarieeezz, government has piles of money etc etc were all thrown at me in response to my position on the economic impact. i had virtually stopped listening by then after being told this virus can affect us all equally and hearing a long silence when i asked if they were to get it would they rather be 21 or 81. i st you you not.

[Ridgemont]

hidetheelephants said:

ant1973 said:

biggbn said:

hutchst said:

Tories are Conservative politicians or occasionally, in a wider context, party members, across the UK.

Toarees are mythical bogeymen that exist in tbe minds of some Scottish politians, traditionally believed to inhabit a mythical faraway land called Westminster.

Agreed. It is a misappropriation of language, but why play their game. Debate like adults and make them look like the immature ones

Parody and satire can be a little cruel at times...

I'm pretty sure tory was created as a derogatory term for conservative, subsequently adopted by them, not unlike Fred Hoyle's coining of Big Bang as a derogatory term for a particular theory about the origin of the universe was subverted by everyone adopting it and using it in scientific literature.

Wrong way around. Fun fact: Tories were initially pro monarchists nicknamed after Irish Brigands.
It was only later that they adopted the moniker of conservatives under Disraeli.

[glazbagun]

I think it's curious how the mask thing polarises people. In the states it looks like it's becoming a partisan split, and likewise in Scotland. I wonder if it subconsciously ties into the whole face-covering thing that makes people so wary of the niqab and burka wearers, or if people just don't like being so directly told what to do.

My understanding was that masks wouldn't stop you catching it (unless they're n95 and single use, which still only removes one method of transmission) but as a measure to reduce transmission rates in enclosed spaces it certainly sounds intuitive and inconveniences me little, so I have no great issue with complying general non-conformist and grumbler though I am. I think it may be a bigger issue when it gets colder and you have people with CV & a cold spreading it everywhere. That's just unpleasant for everyone.

[anonymous-user]

glazbagun said:

I think it's curious how the mask thing polarises people. In the states it looks like it's becoming a partisan split, and likewise in Scotland. I wonder if it subconsciously ties into the whole face-covering thing that makes people so wary of the niqab and burka wearers, or if people just don't like being so directly told what to do.

My understanding was that masks wouldn't stop you catching it (unless they're n95 and single use, which still only removes one method of transmission) but as a measure to reduce transmission rates in enclosed spaces it certainly sounds intuitive and inconveniences me little, so I have no great issue with complying general non-conformist and grumbler though I am. I think it may be a bigger issue when it gets colder and you have people with CV & a cold spreading it everywhere. That's just unpleasant for everyone.

Mask wearing ala Japan to manage illnes is clearly here to stay. Japan have seen for years that wearing masks to mitigate winter flu has great return on investment. That is clear to the west now, so masks are here forever.

The cost of a future outbreak fof COVID or anything else is in the 100s of billions. The cost of masks?

I can see why people hate that, but it's naive to think it's not the reality.

[Evercross]

sambucket said:

Mask wearing ala Japan to manage illnes is clearly here to stay.

Hmmm.

Masks are everywhere in Asia, but have they helped?

There is also strong evidence that the prevalence of wearing 'fashion masks' in Japan is as a social barrier, particularly with younger females...

More Japanese youth wearing surgical masks to hide their face.

Why do Japanese people wear surgical masks? It’s not always for health reasons.

As a cultural shift I am not sure this is entirely a good or healthy thing.

[technodup]

sambucket said:

Mask wearing ala Japan to manage illnes is clearly here to stay. Japan have seen for years that wearing masks to mitigate winter flu has great return on investment. That is clear to the west now, so masks are here forever.

Dream on.

[hotchy]

A customer of mine just got turned away from asda and refused entry. He has COPD and a heart condition and cant wear a mask obviously. Didnt care asda wouldnt let him in.