Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 9

[Edinburger]

technodup said:

I've just been KB'd from Sainsbury's for not wearing a mask.

Sturgeon and her supine band of little Hitler's in full effect.

You plonker!!

[ant1973]

Edinburger said:

ant1973 said:

Because masks are so worth it according to Swinney:-

"We are now in a situation where people have much more freedom but coronavirus is still in our community.

"There are still, we believe, about 1,000 people who are carrying the infection in Scottish society."

Pretty slim odds of meeting someone with the virus... What's that? Use them when the virus was more prevalent? That would be mental. What are you thinking...

Why are you so against masks?

Because there is no evidence they work in this context - even the WHO cannot say they make any difference. It feels like a political decision in the absence of any evidence. It's fine. I will observe the law. I simply will not be entering a shop until the nonsense ends. The economic crisis which approaches is going to render the issue utterly trivial so I doubt we will be left with a long term issue.

[Evercross]

Back on topic - SNP councillor announces her resignation from the party...

Elspeth Kerr quits.

I suspect more may follow her out the door or Susan Aitken may be made to step down. GCC has been a mess for years, but the hope that the cronyism and corruption of the Labour-led LA would be swept-away with the SNP taking over has actually resulted in chronic levels of incompetence, waste and more blatant corruption.

Watching this one with interest to see what comes out.....

Edited by Evercross on Friday 10th July 12:56

[ant1973]

biggbn said:

alangla said:

biggbn said:

As I understand the evidence suggesting it can stop the spread from one person to another is fairly compelling, and as many are asymptomatic, hell, i might be, im happy to comply. I appreciate others aren't

The Scottish Government were describing the evidence as relatively weak and limited as late as yesterday. See for yourself https://www.webarchive.org.uk/wayback/archive/2020...

That’s the official archive copy of their website taken at 0941 yesterday morning, though that particular page is showing a capture time of 8th July at 1106

Edited by alangla on Friday 10th July 11:45

Thanks again, just read that and it pretty much says what I had thought. Compellimg was a poor choice of words by me earlier, common sense makes the mask wearing sound plausible.

Even though the WHO would dispute the use of the word "plausible"?

[Leithen]

Edinburger said:

Incompetents? Are you aware how Scottish deaths and transmissions are around a fifth of Englands? And yes, I mean England.

Airborne transmission of Covid is a big concern just now. The WHO are all over this. I read the safe social distancing could be as much as 15-20 metres.

Get used to this...

Please tell me this means you are locking yourself away and never stepping out of your house again until the virus is completely gone from Scotland.

[Evercross]

Edinburger said:

Incompetents? Are you aware how Scottish deaths and transmissions are around a fifth of England?

Not through face-covering wearing, that is absolutely for sure, unless maybe having the notion of wearing them on a document for implementation at a future date has real medical consequences?

'Burger - stop and think sometimes please before posting? Consider the logical fallacy of your argument before just blurting it out. This is a piece of advice - not abuse.

[ant1973]

Edinburger said:

Leithen said:

Despite having been trailed a week ago and confirmed yesterday, there is still no detailed guidance regarding the mitigation required for 1m in Pubs. Apparently it might appear later today.

Two working days to implement before the 15th, unless you take the approach of fk it, here's our mitigation like it or not.

Bunch of fking incompetents.

Incompetents? Are you aware how Scottish deaths and transmissions are around a fifth of Englands? And yes, I mean England.

Airborne transmission of Covid is a big concern just now. The WHO are all over this. I read the safe social distancing could be as much as 15-20 metres.

Get used to this...

Are you having a laugh?!

https://www.edinburghlive.co.uk/news/uk-world-news...

Deaths per million - you know the apples for apples comparison with England - do not flatter Scotland. They are much of a muchness.

[csd19]

Edinburger said:

Leithen said:

Despite having been trailed a week ago and confirmed yesterday, there is still no detailed guidance regarding the mitigation required for 1m in Pubs. Apparently it might appear later today.

Two working days to implement before the 15th, unless you take the approach of fk it, here's our mitigation like it or not.

Bunch of fking incompetents.

Incompetents? Are you aware how Scottish deaths and transmissions are around a fifth of Englands? And yes, I mean England.

Airborne transmission of Covid is a big concern just now. The WHO are all over this. I read the safe social distancing could be as much as 15-20 metres.

Get used to this...

With a tenth of the population of England as well, that's good going...

[deadslow]

csd19 said:

Edinburger said:

Leithen said:

Despite having been trailed a week ago and confirmed yesterday, there is still no detailed guidance regarding the mitigation required for 1m in Pubs. Apparently it might appear later today.

Two working days to implement before the 15th, unless you take the approach of fk it, here's our mitigation like it or not.

Bunch of fking incompetents.

Incompetents? Are you aware how Scottish deaths and transmissions are around a fifth of Englands? And yes, I mean England.

Airborne transmission of Covid is a big concern just now. The WHO are all over this. I read the safe social distancing could be as much as 15-20 metres.

Get used to this...

With a tenth of the population of England as well, that's good going...

daft

[ant1973]

ant1973 said:

Are you having a laugh?!

https://www.edinburghlive.co.uk/news/uk-world-news...

Deaths per million - you know the apples for apples comparison with England - do not flatter Scotland. They are much of a muchness.

Just on this, I cannot find any science underpinning Swinney's 1000 in the community stat. I assume it is the working backwards imperial model from deaths that is being deployed...

However, we know that 668 are in hospital so does that mean we are in lockdown over 332 people...

[biggbn]

Edinburger said:

technodup said:

I've just been KB'd from Sainsbury's for not wearing a mask.

Sturgeon and her supine band of little Hitler's in full effect.

You plonker!!

A relative first for me, and with the caveat I would have worded it differently, but I am in complete agreement. Get. Used. To. It.

[wobert]

Edinburger said:

wobert said:

Nipolean on the BBC comparing covering use to that of wearing seatbelts in cars....

... which is a perfect analogy.

Get used to wearing a mask in public places.

Since I live in Wales, I’m unaffected by Nippy’s questionable decisions.

I disagree, an earlier poster said "There are still, we believe, about 1,000 people who are carrying the infection in Scottish society."

I don’t know where this statistic has come from, but I would suggest that you are more likely to be a statistic relating to driving, than from “about 1,000 people” within a region with a total population 5.5m.

[Leithen]

We can open our businesses on the 15th. At two metre distancing most are unviable, so we won’t open. But we can operate with one metre distancing if we adhere to rules and guidance as mitigation.

The mitigations will be published in coming days.

Welcome to Kafka’s world.

[anonymous-user]

ant1973 said:

Just on this, I cannot find any science underpinning Swinney's 1000 in the community stat. I assume it is the working backwards imperial model from deaths that is being deployed...

However, we know that 668 are in hospital so does that mean we are in lockdown over 332 people...

Or we are not in lockdown at all, and have some sensible precautions to lesson risk of a second spike during winter that would cost 100s of billions to mitigate if uncontrolled?

[pquinn]

I think one or two on here would loudly support daily child sacrifice to appease the Old Gods if certain people were suggesting it, and they'd probably pull up some stats showing how brilliantly effective it was too.

[biggbn]

pquinn said:

I think one or two on here would loudly support daily child sacrifice to appease the Old Gods if certain people were suggesting it, and they'd probably pull up some stats showing how brilliantly effective it was too.

I'm not sure at whom you are aiming that particular brickbat, but I am, again, no fan of Nicola or the SNP stooges. I just think it makes sense to cover our faces in enclosed spaces, even for cold/flu symptoms. It costs me nothing, it makes others feel comfortable, I have no problem. What I do have a problem with is that non essential shops and pubs ferrchrissakes, pubs can open. Yet gyms, a place where social distancing is naturally practiced and is good for our physical and mental health, gyms remain shut, whilst we can go to a pub, drink heavily, ignore distancing and smoke our hearts out in the beer garden. Absolute farce.

[hotchy]

sambucket said:

ant1973 said:

Just on this, I cannot find any science underpinning Swinney's 1000 in the community stat. I assume it is the working backwards imperial model from deaths that is being deployed...

However, we know that 668 are in hospital so does that mean we are in lockdown over 332 people...

Or we are not in lockdown at all, and have some sensible precautions to lesson risk of a second spike during winter that would cost 100s of billions to mitigate if uncontrolled?

It's probably cheaper to build more hospitals and allow it to burn through us than put everyone on furlough.

[anonymous-user]

hotchy said:

It's probably cheaper to build more hospitals and allow it to burn through us than put everyone on furlough.

If it were that easy we would do it. You can’t build the staff to go with them though. We already had a nurse shortage and this isn’t west world.

[Scotty2]

Why is it that most of the SNP councillors or vocal members appear to be "no stranger to Gregs?"

Most of them remind me of Union Reps who, when I was involved, were in it for what they could get or claim with little reference to actually doing anything.

Mind you, when I last visited Scotland, the obese females were fairly plentiful. And seemed to love themselves strangely.

[Ian974]

The masks themselves I've no real issue with. However why they decided to open all the shops then only making masks mandatory two weeks afterwards, who knows...

Much like the local council here restricting roads to allow for more space for pedestrians, then allowing pubs to put tents over both the road and the pavement resulting in less space than they started with.
The concept of all of this stuff is fair enough, there just is a massive lack of logic behind the execution of it.