Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 9
Discussion
colin79666 said:
Day one of the masks in shops law round here and I've already had enough.
1. My glasses quickly steamed up so couldn't see what I was doing.
2. Plonkers seem to think that social distancing isn't required cos they have a think piece of cloth over their beak.
3. I hate shopping anyway.
4. No enforcement so half the customers weren't bothering.
5. You end up touching your face to adjust the mask/get it on/off.
6. If a shop is busy enough that distancing can't be achieved them I'm not going in anyway. ^
7. There is mixed opinion from science if non medical masks worn by untrained people actually help or actually make matters worse.
^ I accept exceptions such as barbers, don't fancy them cutting my hair with long handled shears!
So for now I'll get my groceries delivered instead and avoid the high street. I'm fairly sure I'm not along in this thinking and together with councils removing the parking in town centres it won't be too long before there are no shops left anyway.
Sadly, I have observed very similar behaviour across different shops throughout this situation. Most seem to have totally stopped thinking about distance, or following the 'route' round shop. From this morning, I was only in Halfords and a BP Garage but both insisted on coverings and enforced distancing. Continuity is needed for sure. I wore a bandana which covers whole face but is kinda loose at the neck so didn't suffer the claustrophobia or heat some have mentioned. Your attitude is bang on. I only go to a shop if I absolutely have to, and act sensibly when I do. If shop is full of muppets, and this has included staff at times, im outta there!1. My glasses quickly steamed up so couldn't see what I was doing.
2. Plonkers seem to think that social distancing isn't required cos they have a think piece of cloth over their beak.
3. I hate shopping anyway.
4. No enforcement so half the customers weren't bothering.
5. You end up touching your face to adjust the mask/get it on/off.
6. If a shop is busy enough that distancing can't be achieved them I'm not going in anyway. ^
7. There is mixed opinion from science if non medical masks worn by untrained people actually help or actually make matters worse.
^ I accept exceptions such as barbers, don't fancy them cutting my hair with long handled shears!
So for now I'll get my groceries delivered instead and avoid the high street. I'm fairly sure I'm not along in this thinking and together with councils removing the parking in town centres it won't be too long before there are no shops left anyway.
I drove through Shawlands and City Centre this afternoon and I think I’ve woken up in some sort of dystopian hell. Loads of masks being worn outdoors, a fair proportion of them badly. Queues of faceless individuals lined up outside shops. I didn’t venture into any shops but my wife visited B&M and said the till staff were drenched in sweat from the masks and this wasn’t even a particularly warm day. I seriously think that this is going to do a horrendous amount of harm for absolutely no good. We know your chances of actually encountering an infected person in the community in Scotland are very low, but we’ve now got a large percentage of the population walking around with all sorts of other nasties breeding against their faces & shop staff who are going to really suffer if there’s a warm spell & they’re forced to wear these things all day. The only driver for this, particularly the timing, that I can see is that Sturgeon wants to balance up the return to normality of things reopening with something to keep the population scared.
As we’ve seen from the Government’s own advice on the web as recently as yesterday, there’s no scientific driver behind this.
I did notice the beer gardens & seats outside pubs were really busy. Remember, Covid is out to get you in the street & shops, but not in a beer garden. Either that or the people in the beer gardens have a more balanced sense of risk.
As we’ve seen from the Government’s own advice on the web as recently as yesterday, there’s no scientific driver behind this.
I did notice the beer gardens & seats outside pubs were really busy. Remember, Covid is out to get you in the street & shops, but not in a beer garden. Either that or the people in the beer gardens have a more balanced sense of risk.
s2kjock said:
News to me - so how is that working? Is it like being selected for jury service?
Well they said they were planning it. But they plan lots of things I guess. Antibody was supposed to be randomised across whole population. PCR random sampling was targeted at higher risk settings. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-po...
To be fair, can't find mention of the results. But if they are testing 4000 people a day, and only finding a handful of cases, that suggests something is going on. Declining test positivity and hospital rates are pretty good indicators even without the sampling.
Edited by anonymous-user on Friday 10th July 19:30
alangla said:
I drove through Shawlands and City Centre this afternoon and I think I’ve woken up in some sort of dystopian hell. Loads of masks being worn outdoors, a fair proportion of them badly. Queues of faceless individuals lined up outside shops. I didn’t venture into any shops but my wife visited B&M and said the till staff were drenched in sweat from the masks and this wasn’t even a particularly warm day. I seriously think that this is going to do a horrendous amount of harm for absolutely no good. We know your chances of actually encountering an infected person in the community in Scotland are very low, but we’ve now got a large percentage of the population walking around with all sorts of other nasties breeding against their faces & shop staff who are going to really suffer if there’s a warm spell & they’re forced to wear these things all day. The only driver for this, particularly the timing, that I can see is that Sturgeon wants to balance up the return to normality of things reopening with something to keep the population scared.
As we’ve seen from the Government’s own advice on the web as recently as yesterday, there’s no scientific driver behind this.
I did notice the beer gardens & seats outside pubs were really busy. Remember, Covid is out to get you in the street & shops, but not in a beer garden. Either that or the people in the beer gardens have a more balanced sense of risk.
Beer gardens are safe, as are restaurants and cafés and surprisingly banks are also a safe place to go, no virus can be spread in a bank in Scotland. As we’ve seen from the Government’s own advice on the web as recently as yesterday, there’s no scientific driver behind this.
I did notice the beer gardens & seats outside pubs were really busy. Remember, Covid is out to get you in the street & shops, but not in a beer garden. Either that or the people in the beer gardens have a more balanced sense of risk.
biggbn said:
To be fair I was a bit of a gym monster with some big numbers, but i have decided age 50 there are more pressing (no pun intended) things in life, like, erm, living a bit longer. Don't smoke or drink much and have a clean diet but my present calorie deficit and cardio output is unpleasant, but shifted a stone in 5 weeks so gonna keep on keeping on. Slight thread drift, as you were...
Tremendous effort 
ant1973 said:
Correct: they are keen to tell everyone about "personal responsibility" when, to be frank, some of them need to take the initiative and stop gorging themselves to death at everyone else's expense. And the same goes for the booze as well. I usually could not care less about what other people do but in this brave new world, I feel entitled to speak out on these subjects. When are we going to start moralising about debt as well?
Hear hear.The general acceptance of fat b
ds (and going further celebrating their 'right' to be a fat fk) is a disgrace. We should be cracking down on the whales the same as smoking, make them social pariahs. Force them to fund the NHS and their diabetes treatment through extra fat taxes. Don't get me started on the use of mobility scooters.Start with fatty Blackford.
I suppose one difference is fatties are not 'spectacularly' contagious.
Though I've put on weight since moving from the med diet country back to Scotland, so I'll go with slightly contagious.
There definitely needs to be more investment in encouraging healthy diet in Scotland, I agree. Would save NSH a bunch.
Though I've put on weight since moving from the med diet country back to Scotland, so I'll go with slightly contagious.
There definitely needs to be more investment in encouraging healthy diet in Scotland, I agree. Would save NSH a bunch.
technodup said:
ant1973 said:
Correct: they are keen to tell everyone about "personal responsibility" when, to be frank, some of them need to take the initiative and stop gorging themselves to death at everyone else's expense. And the same goes for the booze as well. I usually could not care less about what other people do but in this brave new world, I feel entitled to speak out on these subjects. When are we going to start moralising about debt as well?
Hear hear.The general acceptance of fat b
ds (and going further celebrating their 'right' to be a fat fk) is a disgrace. We should be cracking down on the whales the same as smoking, make them social pariahs. Force them to fund the NHS and their diabetes treatment through extra fat taxes. Don't get me started on the use of mobility scooters.Start with fatty Blackford.
Only displaying the advocacy of auld nick here guys!!(I agree on sugar tax etc and a much closer control over what is allowed to be sold as food, particularly at the 'bargain' end of the market. I also read an article linking cheap processed foods to various cancers, yet nobody seems to care what we feed our kids and thus 'normalise '
Edited by biggbn on Saturday 11th July 10:36
biggbn said:
technodup said:
ant1973 said:
Correct: they are keen to tell everyone about "personal responsibility" when, to be frank, some of them need to take the initiative and stop gorging themselves to death at everyone else's expense. And the same goes for the booze as well. I usually could not care less about what other people do but in this brave new world, I feel entitled to speak out on these subjects. When are we going to start moralising about debt as well?
Hear hear.The general acceptance of fat b
ds (and going further celebrating their 'right' to be a fat fk) is a disgrace. We should be cracking down on the whales the same as smoking, make them social pariahs. Force them to fund the NHS and their diabetes treatment through extra fat taxes. Don't get me started on the use of mobility scooters.Start with fatty Blackford.
Only displaying the advocacy of auld nick here guys!!(I agree on sugar tax etc and a much closer control over what is allowed to be sold as food, particularly at the 'bargain' end of the market. I also read an article linking cheap processed foods to various cancers, yet nobody seems to care what we feed our kids and thus 'normalise '
Edited by biggbn on Saturday 11th July 10:36
As I approached my 38th birthday I was 5.5stone overweight. I shed it over a period of 6 months with a combo of diet and exercise. I have kept it off ever since. You can do it. Your incentive is not being effectively crippled in early old age.
Good luck.
sambucket said:
ant1973 said:
Correct. Not that he did not know that is exactly the point I was making...
You boast about once a week that you are ignoring me, and ask others why don't do the same, and generally reply to me about once a day in the 3rd person. Would you call that a success?
Edited by sambucket on Friday 10th July 18:15
tting you once a week just to keep my oar in. I find your trolling funny rather than offensive. Your ability to get people to take the bait is pretty impressive. ant1973 said:
biggbn said:
technodup said:
ant1973 said:
Correct: they are keen to tell everyone about "personal responsibility" when, to be frank, some of them need to take the initiative and stop gorging themselves to death at everyone else's expense. And the same goes for the booze as well. I usually could not care less about what other people do but in this brave new world, I feel entitled to speak out on these subjects. When are we going to start moralising about debt as well?
Hear hear.The general acceptance of fat b
ds (and going further celebrating their 'right' to be a fat fk) is a disgrace. We should be cracking down on the whales the same as smoking, make them social pariahs. Force them to fund the NHS and their diabetes treatment through extra fat taxes. Don't get me started on the use of mobility scooters.Start with fatty Blackford.
Only displaying the advocacy of auld nick here guys!!(I agree on sugar tax etc and a much closer control over what is allowed to be sold as food, particularly at the 'bargain' end of the market. I also read an article linking cheap processed foods to various cancers, yet nobody seems to care what we feed our kids and thus 'normalise '
Edited by biggbn on Saturday 11th July 10:36
As I approached my 38th birthday I was 5.5stone overweight. I shed it over a period of 6 months with a combo of diet and exercise. I have kept it off ever since. You can do it. Your incentive is not being effectively crippled in early old age.
Good luck.
Edited by biggbn on Saturday 11th July 10:53
Edited by biggbn on Sunday 12th July 22:54
biggbn said:
ant1973 said:
biggbn said:
technodup said:
ant1973 said:
Correct: they are keen to tell everyone about "personal responsibility" when, to be frank, some of them need to take the initiative and stop gorging themselves to death at everyone else's expense. And the same goes for the booze as well. I usually could not care less about what other people do but in this brave new world, I feel entitled to speak out on these subjects. When are we going to start moralising about debt as well?
Hear hear.The general acceptance of fat b
ds (and going further celebrating their 'right' to be a fat fk) is a disgrace. We should be cracking down on the whales the same as smoking, make them social pariahs. Force them to fund the NHS and their diabetes treatment through extra fat taxes. Don't get me started on the use of mobility scooters.Start with fatty Blackford.
Only displaying the advocacy of auld nick here guys!!(I agree on sugar tax etc and a much closer control over what is allowed to be sold as food, particularly at the 'bargain' end of the market. I also read an article linking cheap processed foods to various cancers, yet nobody seems to care what we feed our kids and thus 'normalise '
Edited by biggbn on Saturday 11th July 10:36
As I approached my 38th birthday I was 5.5stone overweight. I shed it over a period of 6 months with a combo of diet and exercise. I have kept it off ever since. You can do it. Your incentive is not being effectively crippled in early old age.
Good luck.
ant1973 said:
biggbn said:
ant1973 said:
biggbn said:
technodup said:
ant1973 said:
Correct: they are keen to tell everyone about "personal responsibility" when, to be frank, some of them need to take the initiative and stop gorging themselves to death at everyone else's expense. And the same goes for the booze as well. I usually could not care less about what other people do but in this brave new world, I feel entitled to speak out on these subjects. When are we going to start moralising about debt as well?
Hear hear.The general acceptance of fat b
ds (and going further celebrating their 'right' to be a fat fk) is a disgrace. We should be cracking down on the whales the same as smoking, make them social pariahs. Force them to fund the NHS and their diabetes treatment through extra fat taxes. Don't get me started on the use of mobility scooters.Start with fatty Blackford.
Only displaying the advocacy of auld nick here guys!!(I agree on sugar tax etc and a much closer control over what is allowed to be sold as food, particularly at the 'bargain' end of the market. I also read an article linking cheap processed foods to various cancers, yet nobody seems to care what we feed our kids and thus 'normalise '
Edited by biggbn on Saturday 11th July 10:36
As I approached my 38th birthday I was 5.5stone overweight. I shed it over a period of 6 months with a combo of diet and exercise. I have kept it off ever since. You can do it. Your incentive is not being effectively crippled in early old age.
Good luck.
you will read about much smaller guys, and bigger ones!, with better numbers and in far better condition than I will ever be!! With regards body type, I have been called a bloody silverback since my late teens, not defined just big. But, its shifting. I dont wamt to give up on the weights altogether and I guess I will always be stronger than a similar guy (very lucky genetics), but I'm going to use them as part of a more balanced training regime. I jog and cycle a lot (did a half marathon at 24 stone, an anomalous state of affairs!), and walk everywhere I can having been in a large deficit for last five weeks, which is where the stone has gone.
Once gyms open it will be 6 weeks of gvt, spin classes again hopefully this will speed the process up. Interstimgy, I have been a vegetarian for about 10 years with an occasional lapse and a vegan for 18 months (not striclty as I eat honey and my friend has what I called 'feral' chickens and ducks from which I get the occasional egg). I had noticed when I did not train before, I held into muscle mass, but since going vegan I need to train to keep it. Use it or lose it I guess.... Anyhow, thanks for your comments, much appreciated...and....
Independence?
Edited by biggbn on Saturday 11th July 11:23
Edited by biggbn on Monday 13th July 07:40
biggbn said:
And ban smoking...and drinking? I thought you guys were against 'big ' government and did not want preached to? Or is it OK to preach to people if it gets your agendas? Only displaying the advocacy of auld nick here guys!!
(I agree on sugar tax etc and a much closer control over what is allowed to be sold as food, particularly at the 'bargain' end of the market. I also read an article linking cheap processed foods to various cancers, yet nobody seems to care what we feed our kids and thus 'normalise '
I wouldn't agree with banning. But the nudge effect of ever increasing taxes and decreasing freedom to do it has reduced smoking. (Although the capitalist in me would point out the biggest reducer in smoking has been vapes which is the market solving the issue). Only displaying the advocacy of auld nick here guys!!(I agree on sugar tax etc and a much closer control over what is allowed to be sold as food, particularly at the 'bargain' end of the market. I also read an article linking cheap processed foods to various cancers, yet nobody seems to care what we feed our kids and thus 'normalise '
My first solution would be a private health service. Let the fat f
ks pay either in insurance premiums or at the time of need. But that would precipitate a triggering so violent it would eliminate the dinosaurs all over again, so a more palatable solution is to make them pay in Mars bar taxes. Obviously far from ideal though because those of us who can control ourselves have to pay too.Edited by technodup on Saturday 11th July 13:49
technodup said:
biggbn said:
And ban smoking...and drinking? I thought you guys were against 'big ' government and did not want preached to? Or is it OK to preach to people if it gets your agendas? Only displaying the advocacy of auld nick here guys!!
(I agree on sugar tax etc and a much closer control over what is allowed to be sold as food, particularly at the 'bargain' end of the market. I also read an article linking cheap processed foods to various cancers, yet nobody seems to care what we feed our kids and thus 'normalise '
I wouldn't agree with banning. But the nudge effect of effect of ever increasing taxes and decreasing freedom to do it has reduced smoking. (Although the capitalist in me would point out the biggest reducer in smoking has been vapes which is the market solving the issue). Only displaying the advocacy of auld nick here guys!!(I agree on sugar tax etc and a much closer control over what is allowed to be sold as food, particularly at the 'bargain' end of the market. I also read an article linking cheap processed foods to various cancers, yet nobody seems to care what we feed our kids and thus 'normalise '
My first solution would be a private health service. Let the fat f
ks pay either in insurance premiums or at the time of need. But that would precipitate a triggering so violent it would eliminate the dinosaurs all over again, so a more palatable solution is to make them pay in Mars bar taxes. Obviously far from ideal though because those of us who can control ourselves have to pay too.Edited by biggbn on Saturday 11th July 13:21
biggbn said:
Similar for smoking and drinking, drug taking then surely? Then what of those with addictions, mental health issues, other issues that affect their weight, or indeed addictions? No, I'm happy with the NHS as it is, a billionaire treated the same as a pauper, true to its free at the point of service ethos. But I do agree much more preventative work, education, from nursery up should go on diet, substance abuse etc. Morals, ethics, choice, yes, philosophy should be taught from p1 onwards. Teach our next generations to think and break the cycle of self destruction that some seem compelled to join.
I don't disagree with the education part. But I think the NHS is doing too much (and too much not very well) and it's not sustainable. I think radical solutions are needed, the politicians know this but are too scared to confront the tough choices which need to be made. That could be depoliticising it, reducing it's scope, splitting it up, increasing taxes to fund it or rethinking it entirely in private/insurance/two tier terms. Like the BBC we tell ourselves the NHS is the best in the world. Meanwhile the world looks on and does something completely different, and in many cases gets better results. Gonna take some real balls to sort it out though. Especially now that we've sainted every doctor and nurse during Covid. Forgetting that we've got a really bad death rate (in a UK sense) and that's on the NHS at least as much as politicians.
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