Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 9

[technodup]

sambucket said:

You asked for a specific counter to the point about screening in the message.

Re the polls I think it's quite simple - approval of the broader strategy to strongly suppress the virus. That's a very popular strategy, for better or worse.

Right now, by absolute mugs with no scooby. I hope the redundancies hit the right people. Unfortunately it won't hit teachers but I can dream. (Present company excepted).

[biggbn]

technodup said:

sambucket said:

You asked for a specific counter to the point about screening in the message.

Re the polls I think it's quite simple - approval of the broader strategy to strongly suppress the virus. That's a very popular strategy, for better or worse.

Right now, by absolute mugs with no scooby. I hope the redundancies hit the right people. Unfortunately it won't hit teachers but I can dream. (Present company excepted).

Another with a problem with teachers (present company excreted proviso! ). I asked Edinburger the same thing and am not being combatative here, I just can't be bothered trawling through the thread to find out why, so, Que pasa? What gives brother. I'm new to this game but am finding a degree of antipathy towards the profession I was hitherto unaware of.

[technodup]

biggbn said:

Another with a problem with teachers (present company excreted proviso! ). I asked Edinburger the same thing and am not being combatative here, I just can't be bothered trawling through the thread to find out why, so, Que pasa? What gives brother. I'm new to this game but am finding a degree of antipathy towards the profession I was hitherto unaware of.

Well lately they don't seem to be keen to do much teaching. The unions have too much sway and they seem to be overwhelmingly of the left, with the inevitable skewing of opinion that goes with that.

[biggbn]

technodup said:

biggbn said:

Another with a problem with teachers (present company excreted proviso! ). I asked Edinburger the same thing and am not being combatative here, I just can't be bothered trawling through the thread to find out why, so, Que pasa? What gives brother. I'm new to this game but am finding a degree of antipathy towards the profession I was hitherto unaware of.

Well lately they don't seem to be keen to do much teaching. The unions have too much sway and they seem to be overwhelmingly of the left, with the inevitable skewing of opinion that goes with that.

Thanks for that honest answer man, I will reply in a fuller manner later apart from to say ALL the teachers I have met recently (I start teaching in August) are chomping at the bit and keen to get back to work, and had also provided bloody good online lessons and materials (I have seen them and reviewed them). That is only a focus group of one school and teachers I have met though and I fully accept other schools may differ!!

[Uggers]

My sons school came something like 60th in the league tables out of however many schools there are in Scotland.

He has had just one teacher actually hold online lessons. The rest bit of work issued out at the start of the week. Bit of feedback at the end. Between then nothing much.

I'm afraid the teachers of his school have not done themselves any favours. Lord knows what has happened to the kids who's schools are in the 200+ category.

[biggbn]

Uggers said:

My sons school came something like 60th in the league tables out of however many schools there are in Scotland.

He has had just one teacher actually hold online lessons. The rest bit of work issued out at the start of the week. Bit of feedback at the end. Between then nothing much.

I'm afraid the teachers of his school have not done themselves any favours. Lord knows what has happened to the kids who's schools are in the 200+ category.

Edinburger said similar. Perhaps the wider cast of the net will produce similar stories?

[renmure]

technodup said:

lately they don't seem to be keen to do much teaching. The unions have too much sway and they seem to be overwhelmingly of the left, with the inevitable skewing of opinion that goes with that.

That's my perception of it also.

I've no skin in the game and have no kids. I don't go out of my way to canvas any of my mates opinion on how their children are managing with school stuff but it's hard to avoid the subject when generally asking folk how they are getting on during these times.

I've not heard anyone say anything particularly positive. It's been the opposite. The generality being of a lack of work being given out by the schools, a lack of feedback, little contact from teachers, yadda, yadda, yadda. I'm sure there are exceptions. Maybe all these poor examples I've heard of are the exceptions. I'm also sure it's a tough gig being a teacher at present.

[biggbn]

renmure said:

technodup said:

lately they don't seem to be keen to do much teaching. The unions have too much sway and they seem to be overwhelmingly of the left, with the inevitable skewing of opinion that goes with that.

That's my perception of it also.

I've no skin in the game and have no kids. I don't go out of my way to canvas any of my mates opinion on how their children are managing with school stuff but it's hard to avoid the subject when generally asking folk how they are getting on during these times.

I've not heard anyone say anything particularly positive. It's been the opposite. The generality being of a lack of work being given out by the schools, a lack of feedback, little contact from teachers, yadda, yadda, yadda. I'm sure there are exceptions. Maybe all these poor examples I've heard of are the exceptions. I'm also sure it's a tough gig being a teacher at present.

Very interesting. I witnessed a phone call from an irate mother who demanded to know why, seeing as her son had done all the online work, he had had no feedback, no marking. Kid, an s5 duly came into school and told the pt he had done nothing, nada, not a thing...but had been blaming the school. School was able to show the irate mother as they know when kid is logged in. Realky difficult to engage some kids face to face, immeasurably more so with several miles of disconnect and apathetic parents who just want a quiet life.

I'm sure there are also examples of lazy unprofessional teachers. I was $hitting myself about the online bkended stuff as I am a complete technophobe. Some may have used this as a convenient, ready made excuse, but, the two schools I worked at and the one I am going to seemed full of diligent, driven teachers, well, my subject anyway...

[hidetheelephants]

technodup said:

biggbn said:

Another with a problem with teachers (present company excreted proviso! ). I asked Edinburger the same thing and am not being combatative here, I just can't be bothered trawling through the thread to find out why, so, Que pasa? What gives brother. I'm new to this game but am finding a degree of antipathy towards the profession I was hitherto unaware of.

Well lately they don't seem to be keen to do much teaching. The unions have too much sway and they seem to be overwhelmingly of the left, with the inevitable skewing of opinion that goes with that.

Is it the teachers or the union heidbummers? The head of the EIS was getting a good slagging in the Herald the other day for intransigence and rejection of WHO guidelines.

[technodup]

hidetheelephants said:

Is it the teachers or the union heidbummers? The head of the EIS was getting a good slagging in the Herald the other day for intransigence and rejection of WHO guidelines.

Well one represents the other so they're one and the same to me.

[hutchst]

Uggers said:

Could you counter any of those points in the letter?

I'm willing to be educated but with the lack of cancer screening surely anyone with half a brain can see what the consequences are further down the line.

It does appear to me that she has done very little different to Boris, but somehow the opinions are polar opposites.

She's leading from the rear.

[biggbn]

hutchst said:

Uggers said:

Could you counter any of those points in the letter?

I'm willing to be educated but with the lack of cancer screening surely anyone with half a brain can see what the consequences are further down the line.

It does appear to me that she has done very little different to Boris, but somehow the opinions are polar opposites.

She's leading from the rear.

Reminds me of a cracking quote from Michael Heseltine about Boris, 'Boris is the kind of person who will see a crowd of people running and join the front shouting 'follow me!' '.

[technodup]

I see our dear leader has been on one of the Sunday politics programmes raising the hypothetical that she might force English visitors to quarantine. She did point out that making such a political point on a political programme was in no way political though, and she definitely, absolutely wasn't enjoying the thought of it, so that's all right.

She was going full bobble head at the thought of closing the door on they bd English.

[biggbn]

technodup said:

I see our dear leader has been on one of the Sunday politics programmes raising the hypothetical that she might force English visitors to quarantine. She did point out that making such a political point on a political programme was in no way political though, and she definitely, absolutely wasn't enjoying the thought of it, so that's all right.

She was going full bobble head at the thought of closing the door on they bd English.

she would have zero authority to do so and could not complain if her westminster bogeyman returned the favour and annexed Scotland even if she did, the goose and gander's sauce being equitable and all that.

[hutchst]

biggbn said:

she would have zero authority to do so and could not complain if her westminster bogeyman returned the favour and annexed Scotland even if she did, the goose and gander's sauce being equitable and all that.

She has no evidence to back up her claims either. As we know the only available numbers are for positive tests, but the differences in testing numbers and protocols between Scotland and England are so far apart that comparison is meaningless.

[irc]

hutchst said:

She has no evidence to back up her claims either. As we know the only available numbers are for positive tests, but the differences in testing numbers and protocols between Scotland and England are so far apart that comparison is meaningless.

Correct. 4th month of pandemic and I'm not aware of any Scottish testing of a random sample of population. That is the best way to get accurate figures for prevalence.

I'm an NHS Scotland worker though not in direct patient contact. I've never been tested. A GP I know has made a point of not being tested as if he couldn't get immediate locum cover his practice would have no GP.

In contrast a private care home near has been testing all staff once a week for last 7 weeks.

I would take any claims of Scotland doing better with a pinch of salt. Overall excess deaths were in the same ballpark last time I looked taking into account factors like geography and London being a major travel hub not much in it.

[hutchst]

Meanwhile TUI are next in tbe queue to follow Jet2 in the rush to abandon Scotland as fast as they can get their clearance.

Well done Nicola.

[Pastor Of Muppets]

hutchst said:

She has no evidence to back up her claims either. As we know the only available numbers are for positive tests, but the differences in testing numbers and protocols between Scotland and England are so far apart that comparison is meaningless.

Evidence?, since when did the SNP bother with such minor details as evidence?

[Pastor Of Muppets]

hutchst said:

Meanwhile TUI are next in tbe queue to follow Jet2 in the rush to abandon Scotland as fast as they can get their clearance.

Well done Nicola.

Thats ok, Covid will remain the perfect cover for that little fly in the ointment, along with the multitude of other SNP failures
it has shielded over the last few months.

I heard a couple of folk debating Sturgeon the other day,, the woman said to the guy...'I think the way Nicola has handled
the virus has shown she has what it takes to run an independent Scotland', the guy replied with...' How the hell can you equate
that with running an independent Scotland?...Its like saying my 10 year old boy has built a little model canoe from matchsticks
so he reckons he has the skills to single handedly build the next and most technologically advanced warship for the Royal Navy.

I thought he had a fair point.

[roadtripboy]

Pastor Of Muppets said:

Evidence?, since when did the SNP bother with such minor details as evidence?

The problem is that the BBC are parroting that as fact. I actually put a complaint into the BBC for their bias in Scottish reporting. I don’t expect anything to come of it but...