Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 9
Discussion
hutchst said:
Meanwhile TUI are next in tbe queue to follow Jet2 in the rush to abandon Scotland as fast as they can get their clearance.
Well done Nicola.
She avoided answering the question put to her the other day "why was there a blanket ban on Spain, when the Spanish Islands are not affected as badly by C-19". She has no clue whatsoever.Well done Nicola.
FN2TypeR said:
Ban Spain, set a precedent
Ban Ingerland next
It has been suggested, slightly tongue in cheek presumably, that the ban on Spain was motivated by the Catalan situation, and Spain's outspoken intervention on the SNP's desire to re-join the EU. Sometimes satire is more accurate than the truth. But of course her actions are in no way politically motivated.Ban Ingerland next
The whole mythology of Sturgeon having had a 'good pandemic' is as laughable as it is risible. Careful media manipulation by the SNP party machine & army of spin doctors, a complicit and supine media fawning over her every word, and a significant online presence of nasty nationalist storm troopers, ready to pile on to any opposing viewpoint at a moment's notice. It's interesting to browse the twitter feeds of Scottish political journalists - any who dare to question the Dear Leader, or criticise any aspect of party policy, are almost immediately subjected to a mass influx of nationalist drones, all barracking & calling for resignations. It's quite disturbing to see - remember the Sarah Smith "Nicola enjoyed" scandal? She was hounded mercilessly on social media by cybernats, and even after four apologies they continued the abuse. It's an orchestrated campaign of abuse and intimidation, tacitly endorsed by the SNP behind the scenes. As a result the media are muted and cowed, with journalists terrified of putting their heads above the parapet & suffering the inevitable consequences.
Roderick Spode said:
The whole mythology of Sturgeon having had a 'good pandemic' is as laughable as it is risible. .
Who knows the reality of cause and effect. But people want more suppression, and that is what SNP is going to give.
You can call this politics as much as you want, but this is the reality?
Roderick Spode said:
FN2TypeR said:
Ban Spain, set a precedent
Ban Ingerland next
It has been suggested, slightly tongue in cheek presumably, that the ban on Spain was motivated by the Catalan situation, and Spain's outspoken intervention on the SNP's desire to re-join the EU. Sometimes satire is more accurate than the truth. But of course her actions are in no way politically motivated.Ban Ingerland next
The whole mythology of Sturgeon having had a 'good pandemic' is as laughable as it is risible. Careful media manipulation by the SNP party machine & army of spin doctors, a complicit and supine media fawning over her every word, and a significant online presence of nasty nationalist storm troopers, ready to pile on to any opposing viewpoint at a moment's notice. It's interesting to browse the twitter feeds of Scottish political journalists - any who dare to question the Dear Leader, or criticise any aspect of party policy, are almost immediately subjected to a mass influx of nationalist drones, all barracking & calling for resignations. It's quite disturbing to see - remember the Sarah Smith "Nicola enjoyed" scandal? She was hounded mercilessly on social media by cybernats, and even after four apologies they continued the abuse. It's an orchestrated campaign of abuse and intimidation, tacitly endorsed by the SNP behind the scenes. As a result the media are muted and cowed, with journalists terrified of putting their heads above the parapet & suffering the inevitable consequences.
SO, sounds like she is a bloody good politician?
Hunter. S Thompson 'Politics is the art of controlling your environment ', a Machiavellian thought that suggests, sadly, ultimately it won't matter if she had a 'good' pandemic (what an anaomalous statement that is!), but whether she is seen as having had one. I bet Boris wishes he had controlled his environment as well!?
biggbn said:
Roderick Spode said:
FN2TypeR said:
Ban Spain, set a precedent
Ban Ingerland next
It has been suggested, slightly tongue in cheek presumably, that the ban on Spain was motivated by the Catalan situation, and Spain's outspoken intervention on the SNP's desire to re-join the EU. Sometimes satire is more accurate than the truth. But of course her actions are in no way politically motivated.Ban Ingerland next
The whole mythology of Sturgeon having had a 'good pandemic' is as laughable as it is risible. Careful media manipulation by the SNP party machine & army of spin doctors, a complicit and supine media fawning over her every word, and a significant online presence of nasty nationalist storm troopers, ready to pile on to any opposing viewpoint at a moment's notice. It's interesting to browse the twitter feeds of Scottish political journalists - any who dare to question the Dear Leader, or criticise any aspect of party policy, are almost immediately subjected to a mass influx of nationalist drones, all barracking & calling for resignations. It's quite disturbing to see - remember the Sarah Smith "Nicola enjoyed" scandal? She was hounded mercilessly on social media by cybernats, and even after four apologies they continued the abuse. It's an orchestrated campaign of abuse and intimidation, tacitly endorsed by the SNP behind the scenes. As a result the media are muted and cowed, with journalists terrified of putting their heads above the parapet & suffering the inevitable consequences.
SO, sounds like she is a bloody good politician?
Hunter. S Thompson 'Politics is the art of controlling your environment ', a Machiavellian thought that suggests, sadly, ultimately it won't matter if she had a 'good' pandemic (what an anaomalous statement that is!), but whether she is seen as having had one. I bet Boris wishes he had controlled his environment as well!?
Roderick Spode said:
biggbn said:
Roderick Spode said:
FN2TypeR said:
Ban Spain, set a precedent
Ban Ingerland next
It has been suggested, slightly tongue in cheek presumably, that the ban on Spain was motivated by the Catalan situation, and Spain's outspoken intervention on the SNP's desire to re-join the EU. Sometimes satire is more accurate than the truth. But of course her actions are in no way politically motivated.Ban Ingerland next
The whole mythology of Sturgeon having had a 'good pandemic' is as laughable as it is risible. Careful media manipulation by the SNP party machine & army of spin doctors, a complicit and supine media fawning over her every word, and a significant online presence of nasty nationalist storm troopers, ready to pile on to any opposing viewpoint at a moment's notice. It's interesting to browse the twitter feeds of Scottish political journalists - any who dare to question the Dear Leader, or criticise any aspect of party policy, are almost immediately subjected to a mass influx of nationalist drones, all barracking & calling for resignations. It's quite disturbing to see - remember the Sarah Smith "Nicola enjoyed" scandal? She was hounded mercilessly on social media by cybernats, and even after four apologies they continued the abuse. It's an orchestrated campaign of abuse and intimidation, tacitly endorsed by the SNP behind the scenes. As a result the media are muted and cowed, with journalists terrified of putting their heads above the parapet & suffering the inevitable consequences.
SO, sounds like she is a bloody good politician?
Hunter. S Thompson 'Politics is the art of controlling your environment ', a Machiavellian thought that suggests, sadly, ultimately it won't matter if she had a 'good' pandemic (what an anaomalous statement that is!), but whether she is seen as having had one. I bet Boris wishes he had controlled his environment as well!?
Roderick Spode said:
Politics is all about presentation and controlling the narrative to one's benefit. Sturgeon is definitely an expert of control and manipulation - as you say a good politician. However, I can think of quite a few egregious leaders of the past who, by the same criteria, were 'good politicians' - but ultimately failed leaders. I'd place Sturgeon firmly in this camp. I have no particular love for Boris, his style is somewhat shambolic, and the buffoon act can only cut him so much slack - but I'd say comparing Sturgeon to him in a positive light does not automatically make her a good leader.
Don't discount the personal skin Boris has in the game. His own illness shook him visibly for several weeks, and I have no doubt affected his performance and perhaps allowed him to give too much free reign to the scientists, who have all, to a man, proved themselves to be totally impotent when it comes to predicting anything useful about this virus.Edited by hutchst on Monday 13th July 11:52
hutchst said:
Roderick Spode said:
Politics is all about presentation and controlling the narrative to one's benefit. Sturgeon is definitely an expert of control and manipulation - as you say a good politician. However, I can think of quite a few egregious leaders of the past who, by the same criteria, were 'good politicians' - but ultimately failed leaders. I'd place Sturgeon firmly in this camp. I have no particular love for Boris, his style is somewhat shambolic, and the buffoon act can only cut him so much slack - but I'd say comparing Sturgeon to him in a positive light does not automatically make her a good leader.
Don't discount the personal skin Boris has in the game. His own illness shook him visibly for several weeks, and I have no doubt affected his performance and perhaps allowed him to give too much free reign to the scientists, who have all, to a man, proved themselves to be totally impotent when it comes to predicting anything useful about this virus.
I see the nationalist moonhowlers were out at the weekend on the M74 overbridge at Ecclefechan. Apparently the Polis moved them on from the actual border at Gretna
The actions of these fruitloops really are a continued embarrassment, and more to the point a distraction hazard to passing motorists. How empty and vacant must your life be, to want to spend your weekend standing on a motorway bridge, waving flags at passing traffic?
Pastor Of Muppets said:
Thats ok, Covid will remain the perfect cover for that little fly in the ointment, along with the multitude of other SNP failures
it has shielded over the last few months.
I heard a couple of folk debating Sturgeon the other day,, the woman said to the guy...'I think the way Nicola has handled
the virus has shown she has what it takes to run an independent Scotland', the guy replied with...' How the hell can you equate
that with running an independent Scotland?...Its like saying my 10 year old boy has built a little model canoe from matchsticks
so he reckons he has the skills to single handedly build the next and most technologically advanced warship for the Royal Navy.
I thought he had a fair point.
it has shielded over the last few months.
I heard a couple of folk debating Sturgeon the other day,, the woman said to the guy...'I think the way Nicola has handled
the virus has shown she has what it takes to run an independent Scotland', the guy replied with...' How the hell can you equate
that with running an independent Scotland?...Its like saying my 10 year old boy has built a little model canoe from matchsticks
so he reckons he has the skills to single handedly build the next and most technologically advanced warship for the Royal Navy.
I thought he had a fair point.
Roderick Spode said:
I see the nationalist moonhowlers were out at the weekend on the M74 overbridge at Ecclefechan. Apparently the Polis moved them on from the actual border at Gretna
The actions of these fruitloops really are a continued embarrassment, and more to the point a distraction hazard to passing motorists. How empty and vacant must your life be, to want to spend your weekend standing on a motorway bridge, waving flags at passing traffic?
coming up from England, if we had this type of xenophobia coming from any other party or it's supporters there would be
riots. This is without doubt a form of hate crime and should not be tolerated at all, an absolute embarrassment to the majority
of Scots. These type of actions are doing Scotlands reputation serious damage, absolutely shameful.
sambucket said:
Putting aside for a minute the reality of the performance, "suppression" is a very popular strategy in Scotland and is polling very well.
Who knows the reality of cause and effect. But people want more "suppression", and that is what SNP is going to give.
I put suppression in quotes because that is the narrative. What it actually happening is the SNP are following a roadmap that differs from the rUK only in timing, and one or two details altered on the hoof (Spain??!).Who knows the reality of cause and effect. But people want more "suppression", and that is what SNP is going to give.
Suppression in this context is just a buzzword - an illusion that the process has a purposeful name, and here you are once again stating and then restating it as if it is an objective reality.
You really are not doing a very good job of hiding your reason for being here.
sambucket said:
Putting aside for a minute the reality of the performance, suppression is a very popular strategy in Scotland and is polling very well.
Who knows the reality of cause and effect. But people want more suppression, and that is what SNP is going to give.
You can call this politics as much as you want, but this is the reality?
Sadly this seems to be correct. The population has been programmed that their lives are at risk whereas the truth is that this disease kills mainly the old and already ill. Deaths of healthy under 50s have been minimal. Who knows the reality of cause and effect. But people want more suppression, and that is what SNP is going to give.
You can call this politics as much as you want, but this is the reality?
Will the population make the connection between excessive suppression and them or their son/daughter/partner/brother losing their job in the next couple of months though?
I was shopping today in Glasgow and every single customer apart from me was wearing a mask. This was a huge shop with acres of space. I was challenged by a member of staff but he accepted my claim for being exempted.
hutchst said:
In Nicola Sturgeon's own words, the ScotGov policy is to eliminate 'as far as possible.'
Not eliminate, and not suppression.
I'm pretty sure that's exactly the same policy as everybody else in the UK.
Yea it basically switched to that from “protect the nhs, flatten the curve etc” only the govt here in England didn’t have the backbone to come out and state it.Not eliminate, and not suppression.
I'm pretty sure that's exactly the same policy as everybody else in the UK.
Went to Troon yesterday with the family. Sunny day in July would usually see it v. busy. I would say it was running at 35% of normal yesterday. Most of the shops have remained closed as well. I really, really fear a bloodbath in economic terms and I just don't know why so little attention is being given to this massive looming issue. For the first time in my adult life, I am genuinely fearful about the short - medium term future for us all. And I am normally a cautiously optimistic personality type.
ant1973 said:
Went to Troon yesterday with the family. Sunny day in July would usually see it v. busy. I would say it was running at 35% of normal yesterday. Most of the shops have remained closed as well. I really, really fear a bloodbath in economic terms and I just don't know why so little attention is being given to this massive looming issue. For the first time in my adult life, I am genuinely fearful about the short - medium term future for us all. And I am normally a cautiously optimistic personality type.
Indeed. There is a massive financial fallout coming steaming down the tracks on the back of the COVID measures put in place by the UK government, and the continued restrictions on the retail and hospitality sector here in Scotland - I can see many businesses in the Highlands that depend on passing tourist trade all closing their doors for good. I saw several tweets from Bully Bunter earlier bleating about Scotland not getting enough money, and then breathtakingly claiming the pandemic strengthens the cause of independence. But remember folks, we don't politicise a pandemic. Roderick Spode said:
There is a massive financial fallout coming steaming down the tracks on the back of the COVID
Coming, it's already here for some of us, our last job was on the 14th of March and we have nothing booked in until September, and who knows if that will even happen.It's a bad time to be in the events industry.
hutchst said:
Roderick Spode said:
Politics is all about presentation and controlling the narrative to one's benefit. Sturgeon is definitely an expert of control and manipulation - as you say a good politician. However, I can think of quite a few egregious leaders of the past who, by the same criteria, were 'good politicians' - but ultimately failed leaders. I'd place Sturgeon firmly in this camp. I have no particular love for Boris, his style is somewhat shambolic, and the buffoon act can only cut him so much slack - but I'd say comparing Sturgeon to him in a positive light does not automatically make her a good leader.
Don't discount the personal skin Boris has in the game. His own illness shook him visibly for several weeks, and I have no doubt affected his performance and perhaps allowed him to give too much free reign to the scientists, who have all, to a man, proved themselves to be totally impotent when it comes to predicting anything useful about this virus.Edited by hutchst on Monday 13th July 11:52
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