Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 9

[technodup]

sambucket said:

technodup said:

ell it's not worth a fk then. And as above, if they're testing more than us...

It was worth a fk or two, when you posted the last graph when it said what you wanted it say?

I didn't post any graph. All I've said on this is it's unfair to compare apples with oranges.

Covid means absolutely fk all to me. Over hyped, exaggerated and poorly handled all round. And by that I include the scientists, the NHS and the politicians. If I had my way we'd all be back to normal, rather than hiding behind couches or allowing Sturgeon (or Boris come to that) to dictate to us.

[CambsBill]

Roderick Spode said:

I see the nationalist moonhowlers were out at the weekend on the M74 overbridge at Ecclefechan. Apparently the Polis moved them on from the actual border at Gretna

The actions of these fruitloops really are a continued embarrassment, and more to the point a distraction hazard to passing motorists. How empty and vacant must your life be, to want to spend your weekend standing on a motorway bridge, waving flags at passing traffic?

Saw them early Saturday afternoon and I did wonder if they'd left their maps at home

[ant1973]

technodup said:

sambucket said:

technodup said:

ell it's not worth a fk then. And as above, if they're testing more than us...

It was worth a fk or two, when you posted the last graph when it said what you wanted it say?

I didn't post any graph. All I've said on this is it's unfair to compare apples with oranges.

Covid means absolutely fk all to me. Over hyped, exaggerated and poorly handled all round. And by that I include the scientists, the NHS and the politicians. If I had my way we'd all be back to normal, rather than hiding behind couches or allowing Sturgeon (or Boris come to that) to dictate to us.

Having looked at the weekend, I cannot find any survey data equivalent to the ONS study. To that end, it is an apples and oranges comparison. As far as I can tell deaths per million in Scotland and England are not materially different. Daily testing appears to be running at 33% of the per million figure in England. I personally don't see the apples for apples comparison that suggests Scotland has fared much better but I stand to be corrected in that regard.

[Evercross]

sambucket said:

Would you like a more recent version?

Well, lookie lookie - a map of population density!

Significant scientific facts - Scotland has a far lower population of BAME who it appears are genetically more susceptible to showing symptoms of the virus. That in itself could account for the penny-number differences in that map.

But, again that doesn't fit your narrative. You really are going all-out to let the SNP and Nicola garner all the credit for something they had no significant additional grasp of, which IMO is dangerous.

Fatty Blackford got called out by Jacob Rees Mogg for his incorrect King Canute reference, so how ironic is it that Nationalist acolytes are bestowing Canute-like reverence on Nicola Sturgeon for getting lucky with geography.

But then, none of this is political.....

[anonymous-user]

I’ll post the map again when it’s all green.

[biggbn]

amusingduck said:

scottyp123 said:

This must have been asked many times before but why can't the English people have a vote as well as the Scottish ones when the next referendum comes up?

If the English voted them out, they wouldn't want it any more

Its an intersting point. I had always assumed the English gave less than a fk about Scottish independence, and i would have thought most would vote to keep the Union? Perhaps not, im not clued up on domestic politics to that extent. But. If there was an outside chance of getting kicked out by Big Brother, I think nicola and Co would have seized upon it by now...unless...unless they don't actually WANT independence?

[i4got]

biggbn said:

amusingduck said:

scottyp123 said:

This must have been asked many times before but why can't the English people have a vote as well as the Scottish ones when the next referendum comes up?

If the English voted them out, they wouldn't want it any more

Its an intersting point. I had always assumed the English gave less than a fk about Scottish independence, and i would have thought most would vote to keep the Union? Perhaps not, im not clued up on domestic politics to that extent. But. If there was an outside chance of getting kicked out by Big Brother, I think nicola and Co would have seized upon it by now...unless...unless they don't actually WANT independence?

Generally English polls on Scottish independence show about 1 in 5 in favour of independence.

[ant1973]

Did I miss the bit where the SG were forced to concede in response to an FOI that there was nothing written down regarding the decision to lockdown as the advice was delivered verbally by Leitch and Calderwood? That is an absolute disgrace from a Government which painfully lauds its own transparency agenda.

[amusingduck]

Former SNP MSP Dave Thompson 'to quit party to form new party, Alliance for Independence'
https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/18580757.forme...

What do we make of this?

[alangla]

ant1973 said:

Did I miss the bit where the SG were forced to concede in response to an FOI that there was nothing written down regarding the decision to lockdown as the advice was delivered verbally by Leitch and Calderwood? That is an absolute disgrace from a Government which painfully lauds its own transparency agenda.

Don't suppose you've got a link? I had a look on WhatDoTheyKnow and couldn't see anything.

[ant1973]

alangla said:

ant1973 said:

Did I miss the bit where the SG were forced to concede in response to an FOI that there was nothing written down regarding the decision to lockdown as the advice was delivered verbally by Leitch and Calderwood? That is an absolute disgrace from a Government which painfully lauds its own transparency agenda.

Don't suppose you've got a link? I had a look on WhatDoTheyKnow and couldn't see anything.

From Lockdown Sceptics:-

A reader in Scotland sent three emails to his local MSP, hoping he might throw some light on the dictatorial approach of Nic Sturge-un. Eventually, he got a reply and it contained this jaw-dropping revelation:

It is clear that the Scottish Government have not been transparent with the public as they have implemented new measures as we ease lockdown. The Scottish Government must release the scientific evidence that has been used for the key decision making in Scotland throughout this health crisis and as further measures as relaxed.

Following an FOI request, it was revealed that the First Minister did not have any written scientific advice during the first few months of the coronavirus outbreak, and so none could be made available to the public. Nicola Sturgeon said instead that the scientific advice that she had received had all been orally, by the National Clinical Director, Jason Leitch, and the Scottish Chief Medical Officer at the time, Catherine Calderwood, and so there was nothing to be released.

No written scientific advice! That's incredible. But presumably it will make it easier for the First Minister to dodge the blame when there's a public inquiry in Scotland about the fact that more people have died from COVID-19 in care homes than in hospitals.

[irc]

Nothing new. Unison were campaigning years ago for the Scottish govt to keep minutes of meetings.

https://www.unison-scotland.org/get-minuted-campai...

More on the failure to keep records of meetings here..

https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/recording_f...


Easy to write to true history of the glorious path of Scottish govt when mistakes are deniable because records are not kept.

Edited by irc on Tuesday 14th July 14:23

[Roderick Spode]

alangla said:

ant1973 said:

Did I miss the bit where the SG were forced to concede in response to an FOI that there was nothing written down regarding the decision to lockdown as the advice was delivered verbally by Leitch and Calderwood? That is an absolute disgrace from a Government which painfully lauds its own transparency agenda.

Don't suppose you've got a link? I had a look on WhatDoTheyKnow and couldn't see anything.

https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/18490533.coronavirus-sturgeon-no-written-briefings-covid-months/

Par for the course from the insular and secretive SNP hierarchy.

[csd19]

amusingduck said:

Former SNP MSP Dave Thompson 'to quit party to form new party, Alliance for Independence'
https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/18580757.forme...

What do we make of this?

Fair chance it'll dilute the SNP vote in future without letting either party get a majority, sounds like a win?? Just depends on which blend of separatist sir would like.

[anonymous-user]

Roderick Spode said:

alangla said:

ant1973 said:

Did I miss the bit where the SG were forced to concede in response to an FOI that there was nothing written down regarding the decision to lockdown as the advice was delivered verbally by Leitch and Calderwood? That is an absolute disgrace from a Government which painfully lauds its own transparency agenda.

Don't suppose you've got a link? I had a look on WhatDoTheyKnow and couldn't see anything.

https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/18490533.coronavirus-sturgeon-no-written-briefings-covid-months/

Par for the course from the insular and secretive SNP hierarchy.

Maybe she can’t read? It would explain a lot.

[markyb_lcy]

Evercross said:

Well, lookie lookie - a map of population density!

Indeed.

Let’s see the same map adjusted for population, but then, I guess it doesn’t fit the narrative.

:roll eyes: indeed

Edit: this one is positive tests rather than “new infections”, but it is adjusted for density...

Edited by markyb_lcy on Tuesday 14th July 15:53

[anonymous-user]

markyb_lcy said:

Indeed.

Let’s see the same map adjusted for population, but then, I guess it doesn’t fit the narrative.

:roll eyes: indeed

Given most of it is zero I imagine the colours are much the same but I’ll dig one out.

[markyb_lcy]

sambucket said:

markyb_lcy said:

Indeed.

Let’s see the same map adjusted for population, but then, I guess it doesn’t fit the narrative.

:roll eyes: indeed

Given most of it is zero I imagine the colours are much the same but I’ll dig one out.

See my edit. Not exactly the same thing being mapped, but along the same lines.

[alangla]

Seems contact tracing is covering more than just hospitality - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-53406737 and the guidance here - https://www.gov.scot/publications/test-protect-mul...
Unfortunately the page on lawful basis is, at the moment anyway, returning a 404 error...
https://www.gov.scot/publications/test-protect-mul...

Interestingly though, despite the face-muzzles being made mandatory, it seems it's perfectly legal to provide your details to an organisation for administering your booking, but to prevent them from providing them for contact tracing.

Scottish Government website said:

If the individual still does not want to share their details but wishes to proceed with a booking and/or use your service, you should make a note not to share this if you still need to collect their details for booking purposes. If you do not need their details for booking purposes, then simply do not collect their details. It is also within the rights of individuals to request to access the data held on them, or to request that it is deleted or corrected. In those circumstances, premises should comply with such requests.

There is no legal requirement that individuals provide their data for NHS Test and Protect purposes, so if you want to continue to offer your services to customers or visitors that do not choose to provide their information, then you can do so. Establishments are also equally entitled to refuse to allow a member of public onto their premises if they do not share their contact details for the benefit of Test and Protect. Employers should make clear to their employees the approach that they wish them to take in these circumstances.

Seems rather an odd approach given the way the masks issue has been dealt with.

[anonymous-user]

Here is weekly per capita. Though when you get to single figures, then per capita is less useful. As you are looking for cluster flare ups. 50 cases in Glasgow or Skye would both be newsworthy