Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 9

[Jasey_]

Pastor Of Muppets said:

Yep, I think it's long overdue that bobble head stands up at her podium and tells the people of Scotland a profoundly
factual statement.... 'I'm sorry folks, I haven't got the foggiest idea what I'm doing'.

Of course the majority of people in Scotland are well aware of this but it would be nice to hear her say something
honest and truthful for a change.

No danger.

She will be banging on about her levers again tomorrow.

Today she said she was providing some support for businesses "from our own resources".

No you you are using 40 million of the 700 million you got from the UK government to support businesses.

[Janluke]

sbarclay62 said:

For the Tories on here, which i'm guessing most bar the Indy supporters everyone on here is.

Would you accept Scottish Labour over SNP?

I've voted Tory most of my life but I'd vote Labour if it was the strongest option to keep the union together. Its far and away the strongest issue for me in deciding who to vote for

[hiccy18]

Janluke said:

sbarclay62 said:

For the Tories on here, which i'm guessing most bar the Indy supporters everyone on here is.

Would you accept Scottish Labour over SNP?

I've voted Tory most of my life but I'd vote Labour if it was the strongest option to keep the union together. Its far and away the strongest issue for me in deciding who to vote for

Conversely being a centrist wishywashy LibDem supporter I've never voted Tory in my life but I'd do it to get rid of the Nats.

[irc]

Janluke said:

sbarclay62 said:

For the Tories on here, which i'm guessing most bar the Indy supporters everyone on here is.

Would you accept Scottish Labour over SNP?

I've voted Tory most of my life but I'd vote Labour if it was the strongest option to keep the union together. Its far and away the strongest issue for me in deciding who to vote for

It's a no brainer. As long as there is a never ending indy campaign that issue trumps all else. Now that Brexit is settled indy is the biggest issue by far. Anything else agovt does can be reversed.

For any FPTP election the candidate with the best chance of beating tthe SNP gets my vote. I even voted for Jo Swinson. In the Holyrood elections I'd vote for party of choice on the party lists and best chance of beating Kranky on the FPTP vote..

I see a new indepence party is being set up. I,ll give them credit where it is due - there policy is at least true independence. No joining the EU. I've yet to see a credible argument why it is worth recovering sovereignty from Westminster in order to hand it the the EU.

[alangla]

Seems Sturgeon’s “if you don’t know if you’re a cafe or not, ask the council” instruction isn’t going well in Glasgow. Interim interdicts issued against the council to prevent closures - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-wes...

And various licensed trade bodies are threatening to take the government to court over the restrictions https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-54648063

[Deathmole]

Good

[technodup]

The more disobedience the better imo. fk her and fk the council. This talk of digital Xmas, as if people are going to adhere to that pish. Go to your pals, your parents, if you're a cafe or restaurant get the doors open, they don't have the resources to stop us all. Lots of political power trips end with the people revolting- it's high time we take back control from the power crazed bh.

And yes to Labour, obviously.

[Smokehead]

technodup said:

The more disobedience the better imo. fk her and fk the council. This talk of digital Xmas, as if people are going to adhere to that pish. Go to your pals, your parents, if you're a cafe or restaurant get the doors open, they don't have the resources to stop us all. Lots of political power trips end with the people revolting- it's high time we take back control from the power crazed bh.

And yes to Labour, obviously.

i'll be having the usual full analogue Christmas this year. She can stick her digitals up her arse.

[Greedydog]

irc said:

Janluke said:

sbarclay62 said:

For the Tories on here, which i'm guessing most bar the Indy supporters everyone on here is.

Would you accept Scottish Labour over SNP?

I've voted Tory most of my life but I'd vote Labour if it was the strongest option to keep the union together. Its far and away the strongest issue for me in deciding who to vote for

It's a no brainer. As long as there is a never ending indy campaign that issue trumps all else. Now that Brexit is settled indy is the biggest issue by far. Anything else agovt does can be reversed.

For any FPTP election the candidate with the best chance of beating tthe SNP gets my vote. I even voted for Jo Swinson. In the Holyrood elections I'd vote for party of choice on the party lists and best chance of beating Kranky on the FPTP vote..

I see a new indepence party is being set up. I,ll give them credit where it is due - there policy is at least true independence. No joining the EU. I've yet to see a credible argument why it is worth recovering sovereignty from Westminster in order to hand it the the EU.

Agreed. I'm a centrist Tory at heart, but have voted Lib Dem in the last few elections specifically to prevent a SNP candidate from winning. I would happily vote Labour for similar reasons. assuming they won't sell their souls to independence for a sniff of power.

For me, it doesn't matter where you sit on the political spectrum from left to right, the correct answer is never independence, that way disaster lies.

Over the years I've seen UK governments of various flavours come and go. All were, at their end, past their sell by date. The overriding factor here though is that, whatever the perceived failures of the previous incumbents, the situation could be remediated by the new government. With independence you don't have that, it's a step into the abyss from which there's no turning back.

[Pastor Of Muppets]

Why Holyrood cannot deliver a mandate for a 2nd indy ref.....

Very interesting read here, the resident SNats wont like it, be good to hear opinions.

https://www.aforceforgood.uk/single-post/holyrood-...

Edited by Pastor Of Muppets on Friday 23 October 10:42

[Mrr T]

Pastor Of Muppets said:

Why Holyrood cannot deliver a mandate for a 2nd indy ref.....

Very interesting read here, the resident SNats wont like it, be good to hear opinions.

https://www.aforceforgood.uk/single-post/holyrood-...

Edited by Pastor Of Muppets on Friday 23 October 10:42

Come on abiding by agreements is so last year.

[ant1973]

You can see the point in the three bottom tiers... Each one subtly different. No politics in 5 levels, no sireeee....

[hutchst]

So she's given up on the short sharp approach, and gone long and blunt instead.

[ant1973]

hutchst said:

So she's given up on the short sharp approach, and gone long and blunt instead.

Well, there are a few gems in this doggerel:-

https://www.gov.scot/publications/covid-19-scotlan...

[ant1973]

Face coverings everywhere outside if you are in level 3 or 4

[ant1973]

Level 2 and all close contact businesses are closed if they are "mobile". Pretty sure we are in level 2 at least in the central belt. Bye, bye mobile barbers...

[A.J.M]

So basically there is little to no point in tier 0-2 as they are by and large the same.

Wonderful. So more tinkering because it has to be different to England because we need to keep the them and us narrative.

[Edinburger]

ant1973 said:

You can see the point in the three bottom tiers... Each one subtly different. No politics in 5 levels, no sireeee....

This looks like a sensible framework to me.

It gives the Scottish Government and local authorities flexibility to enable places where there’s no or very few cases to operate at a more appropriate level.

Plenty people here questioned why islands with no or few cases were so restricted, so here’s your answer. In fact, I think other countries should adopt the five step model too.

[PaulWoof]

Never trust anybody who uses zero indexing.

[technodup]

What a load of utter ste. Kid on government desperate to 'do' stuff, resulting in over complicated bureaucratic nonsense, who'd ever have thought it?

Except absolutely everyone.

Is this going to be her last hurrah? Going out in a blaze of hectoring nanny state dribble as per the rest of her miserable reign of failure? Time to get to fk Nicola.