Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 9

[hutchst]

biggbn said:

Not a nice 'flu' to have, its effects can be long lasting. I hope you, or anyone close to you, dont have to find out.

To be fair bgn, you did disclose a pre-existing body shape condition IIRC.

[hiccy18]

biggbn said:

Did you read my post? It was perhaps badly worded, on that I apologise. I did not mean her overall handling of the pandemic, I have been a vociferous critic of that, I meant how she has handled herself and the public overall, sorry for any confusion, mea culpa. You are aware I am a constant critic of her actions and have cited the very things you have mentioned many times? There is no wool over my eyes man, I think my posting history shows that. Have a great weekend!

To be fair I had to read your previous post twice, the phrasing was bit misleading at first read. You are of course correct, she has done a decent job of presenting herself during the pandemic, at least in comparison to BoJo.

I'd like to add, unlike Boris, she has also allowed us to debate the definition of "cafe" and "restaurant" (apparently somehting to do with chups) and highlighted to us plebs the hazards of having a friend over to dinner, far safer to get pissed with them in the pub with a hundred strangers. Who'd a thunk it?

[biggbn]

hutchst said:

biggbn said:

Not a nice 'flu' to have, its effects can be long lasting. I hope you, or anyone close to you, dont have to find out.

To be fair bgn, you did disclose a pre-existing body shape condition IIRC.

Can you perhaps explain this post. I had a very mild bout of covid, felt poorly for about four days, isolated for ten, back at work within a fortnight. At no point i have i written a 'woe is me' type post with regards my covid experience. My point was, many are not so lucky. I still have the odd ache,, sweats or slight breathlessness now and again, but got off incredibly lightly compared to others. I put that down the fact that I have trained most days throughout my life, dont smoke, rarely drink, and have a good diet. Dont confuse body shape with fitness brother man . (I jogged a half marathon distance easily at 140kg, and cycled 20 miles most days for a few years at a similar weight, and i doubt many people could have worked out the way i used to in the gym!) All that said, i do wonder what affect this may have had on me had i still been carting around 146kg of bodyweight and lifting huge weights rather than the 112kg or so I have cut down to!

Edited by biggbn on Saturday 24th October 10:02

Edited by biggbn on Saturday 24th October 10:08

[biggbn]

hiccy18 said:

biggbn said:

Did you read my post? It was perhaps badly worded, on that I apologise. I did not mean her overall handling of the pandemic, I have been a vociferous critic of that, I meant how she has handled herself and the public overall, sorry for any confusion, mea culpa. You are aware I am a constant critic of her actions and have cited the very things you have mentioned many times? There is no wool over my eyes man, I think my posting history shows that. Have a great weekend!

To be fair I had to read your previous post twice, the phrasing was bit misleading at first read. You are of course correct, she has done a decent job of presenting herself during the pandemic, at least in comparison to BoJo.

I'd like to add, unlike Boris, she has also allowed us to debate the definition of "cafe" and "restaurant" (apparently somehting to do with chups) and highlighted to us plebs the hazards of having a friend over to dinner, far safer to get pissed with them in the pub with a hundred strangers. Who'd a thunk it?

[amusingduck]

biggbn said:

Dont confuse body shape with fitness brother man .

Is this you?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qkUVToIfrKg

[hutchst]

biggbn said:

Can you perhaps explain this post. I had a very mild bout of covid, felt poorly for about four days, isolated for ten, back at work within a fortnight. My point was, many are not so lucky. I still have the odd ache,, sweats or slight breathlessness now and again, but got off incredibly lightly compared to others. I put that down the fact that I have trained most days throughout my life, dont smoke, rarely drink, and have a good diet. Dont confuse body shape with fitness brother man . (I jogged a half marathon distance easily at 140kg, and cycled 20 miles most days for a few years at a similar weight, and i doubt many people could have worked out the way i used to in the gym!) All that said, i do wonder what affect this may have had on me had i still been carting around 146kg of bodyweight and lifting huge weights rather than the 112kg or so I have cut down too!

Being overweight has been widely reported as being one of the higher risk factors for COVID. Even at 112kg unless you're a giant I suspect you are in that high risk category. I'm 6'2" and well below 90kg but I'm overweight according to the NHS body mass index calculator.

My comment wasn't intended as a criticism, but simply pointing out that just because somebody categorised as high risk suffered higher risk consequences, it does not detract from the established fact that for the overwhelming majority of COVID sufferers it is a minor illness, often imperceptible.

Best wishes for your continuing recovery, and I sincerely hope that you do make a full recovery.

[Evercross]

technodup said:

Deathmole said:

She's not going anywhere, check her approval ratings out...

Public approval ratings count for st when your party members turn on you.

Exactly that.

We've discussed it at length - a landslide victory and another 5 years of Nicola means another 5 years the two top jobs at the SNP are frozen out for any other contenders. Joanna Cherry wants the job and is seething that the party CEO blocked her chances of even getting any where near the post of party leader - not even being allowed to get in contention as a potential successor. She has made no secret of that and there is very obvious disunity in the party, regardless of our resident village idiot trying to pretend that isn't the case.

Plus let's talk about those 'approval ratings' for a moment because they just support another media narrative. Sturgeon gets compared with BoJo but that is not her direct competition. BoJo, Ardern, Trump etc. are all Premier League and Sturgeon is Championship - one tier down. The SNP have successfully created the illusion that Sturgeon is a world leader - she isn't. She currently ranks along side such big names as Quim Torra, Kim Kielsen, Ana Luís and Win Myint in terms of global status. If you have to Google any of those names then my point is proved.

The SNP leader at Westminster is Ian Blackford and he is BoJo/Starmer/Davey's contemporary. I'd pay good money to see how he ranks along side them in any opinion poll.

Edited by Evercross on Saturday 24th October 11:08

[biggbn]

hutchst said:

biggbn said:

Can you perhaps explain this post. I had a very mild bout of covid, felt poorly for about four days, isolated for ten, back at work within a fortnight. My point was, many are not so lucky. I still have the odd ache,, sweats or slight breathlessness now and again, but got off incredibly lightly compared to others. I put that down the fact that I have trained most days throughout my life, dont smoke, rarely drink, and have a good diet. Dont confuse body shape with fitness brother man . (I jogged a half marathon distance easily at 140kg, and cycled 20 miles most days for a few years at a similar weight, and i doubt many people could have worked out the way i used to in the gym!) All that said, i do wonder what affect this may have had on me had i still been carting around 146kg of bodyweight and lifting huge weights rather than the 112kg or so I have cut down too!

Being overweight has been widely reported as being one of the higher risk factors for COVID. Even at 112kg unless you're a giant I suspect you are in that high risk category. I'm 6'2" and well below 90kg but I'm overweight according to the NHS body mass index calculator.

My comment wasn't intended as a criticism, but simply pointing out that just because somebody categorised as high risk suffered higher risk consequences, it does not detract from the established fact that for the overwhelming majority of COVID sufferers it is a minor illness, often imperceptible.

Best wishes for your continuing recovery, and I sincerely hope that you do make a full recovery.

I agree with, and was aware of, your premise, just wasn't sure what point you were making with regards my post? We are all well on the way to full recovery, I will be back at the gym today. By the way, a different discussion for a different day perhaps, but BMI is an absolute nonsense of a way to assess health. Most Olympic rowers, rugby players etc are classed as morbidly obese because of their weight to height ratio. (I am not comparing myself to such paragons by the way, just making a point!)

Have a great weekend!

[NoddyonNitrous]

With my manager's hat on, I am concerned that Nicola seems to have created a person-dependent system. We see a bit of The Dentist, but almost no other ministers or politicians. When/if something happens to her(like catching a bad dose of covid), I can see the system struggling to continue seamlessly. Is Freeman still a Health Secretary? - you'd expect her to have as high a profile in all this as Hancock (but preferably considerably better performance).

[hutchst]

Welcome to Murrelland

[irc]

It's simple. Grandstanding and playing the world statesperson it's Krankie.

Any bad news or excuses then the relevant flunky delivers the bad news. Swinney for education, the dentist for cancelling Christmas etc.

[Evercross]

NoddyonNitrous said:

Is Freeman still a Health Secretary?

Yes, but only so that she can retire with full benefits at the end of this parliamentary term rather than be carted off to jail for manslaughter as she should be.

See also Derek MacKay re. grooming school-age boys.

PS. The most repugnant cover-up ever is in full swing - Police Scotland have been instructed to interview care-home staff to find any evidence whatsoever of staff potentially bringing Covid into their workplace - all in an attempt to build a case to muddy the waters of the proposition that it was Scottish government documentation that led to to the disproportionate number of deaths. Truly despicable, and typical of the 'we can do no wrong, it is always someone else's fault' SNP.

Sickening.

Edited by Evercross on Saturday 24th October 12:54

[BlackLabel]

Looks like we’ve found the perfect candidate to be the next SNP finance secretary......

https://twitter.com/alimacno/status/13198872993967...

[whoami]

BlackLabel said:

Looks like we’ve found the perfect candidate to be the next SNP finance secretary......

https://twitter.com/alimacno/status/13198872993967...

I saw this earlier.

An utter clown.

[amusingduck]

BlackLabel said:

Looks like we’ve found the perfect candidate to be the next SNP finance secretary......

https://twitter.com/alimacno/status/13198872993967...

Is she saying what I think she's saying? That there is such thing as a Scottish pound, and not only that but the exchange rate has been higher recently than that of the GBP?

....speechless....

[Evercross]

amusingduck said:

BlackLabel said:

Looks like we’ve found the perfect candidate to be the next SNP finance secretary......

https://twitter.com/alimacno/status/13198872993967...

Is she saying what I think she's saying? That there is such thing as a Scottish pound, and not only that but the exchange rate has been higher recently than that of the GBP?

....speechless....

Total lies and falsehoods borne of sheer ignorance, but this is the level of understanding of a fair whack of the Nationalist supporting cohort out there.

Edinburger will of course be along shortly to say that it makes perfect sense.......

[DocJock]

Whilst on a surgery elective in North Wales, a chippy offered to accept my Scottish pound notes at a 90p exchange rate.

Obviously he was told where to shove his fish & chips...

[biggbn]

Evercross said:

amusingduck said:

BlackLabel said:

Looks like we’ve found the perfect candidate to be the next SNP finance secretary......

https://twitter.com/alimacno/status/13198872993967...

Is she saying what I think she's saying? That there is such thing as a Scottish pound, and not only that but the exchange rate has been higher recently than that of the GBP?

....speechless....

Total lies and falsehoods borne of sheer ignorance, but this is the level of understanding of a fair whack of the Nationalist supporting cohort out there.

Edinburger will of course be along shortly to say that it makes perfect sense.......

People like this totally undermine the independence cause as soon as they open their mouths. As Twain suggested, she should have remained silent and had the world think she was a fool rather than open her mouth and remove any doubt.

[irc]

A big boy did it and ran away.

Sturgeon claims Scotland almost eliminated the virus over the summer but was reinfected from elsewhere. Border controls an important consideration.

https://twitter.com/staylorish/status/131971267785...


Perhaps border controls would have stopped Margeret Covid spreading it to England?

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BlackLabel said:

Looks like we’ve found the perfect candidate to be the next SNP finance secretary......

https://twitter.com/alimacno/status/13198872993967...

In fairness this was in May last year. But she doesn't seem to have learned anything useful about economics or finance since. AFAIK she advocates simply defaulting on Scotlands share of the National Debt and issuing SG bonds that the world, naturally, will be desperate to buy.
She clearly doesn't understand the fundamental difference between money and currency. Or between actual money and fantasy money.
ETA: Not that such ignorance is any bar to forming or explaining SNP fiscal policy.

Edited by Error_404_Username_not_found on Saturday 24th October 15:59