Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 9

[Edinburger]

technodup said:

Edinburger said:

So in other words, you have no evidence that party members are turning on Mrs Sturgeon.

Members aren't leaving because they like what she's doing. Members haven't set up a group called SNP Members for Independence because they believe she wants another referendum. Members aren't backing Salmond or Cherry in their endeavours because they want more Sturgeon.

Every political leader has a shelf life. She's fast approaching her best before date.

That's all interesting, but it flies in the face of what grassroots members and party activists say?

[jshell]

Edinburger said:

Nonsense.

By the way, as youi'll have seen today 78 patients were sent to care homes after testing positive. Not quite the numbers which were being claimed here.

That truth will out, and the Nats will be hung on it. She was very clever in her speech...

[Edinburger]

malks222 said:

so the majority of the central belt is supposedly going into tier 3, the level that allows ‘hospitality’ to still open, can’t sell alcohol, but can still ‘open’

am i being cynical that they’ve allowed ‘hospitality’ to open in level 3, because they knew that was the most likely level for the majority. so when they allow these venues to open they don’t have to give any financial support because it’s up to them to trade and make a profit

You do know the financial constraints on the Scottish Government, right?

[Edinburger]

technodup said:

Burger was asking for evidence of the party turning against her- I'm sure for some reason that won't cut it, but I'd love to hear his 'reasoning'.

Hear who's reasoning?

[Evercross]

Edinburger said:

By the way, as youi'll have seen today 78 patients were sent to care homes after testing positive. Not quite the numbers which were being claimed here.

Laughing boy strikes again. I know you aren't smart enough to understand the implications, or appreciate the consequences.

No-one in here was putting a figure on it (as you claim) because the numbers don't matter. Knowingly putting potentially Covid infected people into a close environment with what was already known to be the most vulnerable group in terms of risk of death from the virus is the issue.

It doesn't matter if it was 1, 10, 100 or 1,000. The scale of the culpability does not matter.

[amusingduck]

Edinburger said:

irc said:

Edinburger said:

Is the Scottish Government the only government who discharged patients into care homes?

There will be a big review into actions taken by the SG during this crisis. Inevitably, lessons will be learned and there will be examples of good practice and examples of mistakes made. This epidemic is unchartered territory. Look forward, not back.

Sometimes it's worth looking back. So we don't forget the line of thought in the SNP that viewed deaths of old people as a likely "gain" since they weren't likely to be indy voters.

https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/18734202.angus...

Nonsense.

By the way, as youi'll have seen today 78 patients were sent to care homes after testing positive. Not quite the numbers which were being claimed here.

You must have missed the ~2950 who were sent to care homes without being tested at all.

[Edinburger]

malks222 said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-54719827

78 elderly patients were sent back to care homes with covid
3000 were sent back with no test at all
2000 elderly died in care homes (50% of all scottish deaths)

but there is ‘no statistical evidence’ that sending people back to care homes (either positive or untested) that has led to such high death rates.

how can there not be a direct link between the two?!?!? 50% of our deaths occurred in this situation!!!!

You do know there's no precedent for the situation we find ourselves in?

[Edinburger]

jshell said:

Edinburger said:

Nonsense.

By the way, as youi'll have seen today 78 patients were sent to care homes after testing positive. Not quite the numbers which were being claimed here.

That truth will out, and the Nats will be hung on it. She was very clever in her speech...

Very clever in her speech? She's a politician!

[Evercross]

amusingduck said:

You must have missed the ~2950 who were sent to care homes without being tested at all.

Pointless discussing it with him. It is obvious that the intellect to process the info just isn't there.

[malks222]

Edinburger said:

Nonsense.

By the way, as youi'll have seen today 78 patients were sent to care homes after testing positive. Not quite the numbers which were being claimed here.

78 had tested positive out of 650(ish) tests- 12%

3000 (ish) more were sent back to care homes without a test. do we assume that there were another 12% of these patients positive, or just assume they were unlucky testing the 650 and the actually caught all the positive tests then

[Edinburger]

Evercross said:

Edinburger said:

By the way, as youi'll have seen today 78 patients were sent to care homes after testing positive. Not quite the numbers which were being claimed here.

Laughing boy strikes again. I know you aren't smart enough to understand the implications, or appreciate the consequences.

No-one in here was putting a figure on it (as you claim) because the numbers don't matter. Knowingly putting potentially Covid infected people into a close environment with what was already known to be the most vulnerable group in terms of risk of death from the virus is the issue.

It doesn't matter if it was 1, 10, 100 or 1,000. The scale of the culpability does not matter.

Au contraire: I was first to call you "laughing boy". I know you're too far up your own backside to realise that.

Remind us of the scientific, medical or cultural precedent? Oh, that's right - there isn't one.

And, of course, the Scottish Government were the only Government to make this mistake, weren't they?

[Edinburger]

amusingduck said:

Edinburger said:

irc said:

Edinburger said:

Is the Scottish Government the only government who discharged patients into care homes?

There will be a big review into actions taken by the SG during this crisis. Inevitably, lessons will be learned and there will be examples of good practice and examples of mistakes made. This epidemic is unchartered territory. Look forward, not back.

Sometimes it's worth looking back. So we don't forget the line of thought in the SNP that viewed deaths of old people as a likely "gain" since they weren't likely to be indy voters.

https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/18734202.angus...

Nonsense.

By the way, as youi'll have seen today 78 patients were sent to care homes after testing positive. Not quite the numbers which were being claimed here.

You must have missed the ~2950 who were sent to care homes without being tested at all.

I bet you and Laughing Boy were gutted the positive number wasn't higher?

One is too high. This is a lesson learnt rather than bragging rights.

[malks222]

Edinburger said:

You do know the financial constraints on the Scottish Government, right?

absolutely, but they have been given resources to spend as they see fit.

but presumably just like the initial business grants they will choose what they spend it on. took a bit of pressure from business with the first round of grants to get them to pay out for more than one business premise

[Edinburger]

Evercross said:

amusingduck said:

You must have missed the ~2950 who were sent to care homes without being tested at all.

Pointless discussing it with him. It is obvious that the intellect to process the info just isn't there.

Your superiority complex biting again, eh? That's the problem with people who work in education. Don't understand the real world.

[Evercross]

Edinburger said:

Au contraire: I was first to call you "laughing boy". I know you're too far up your own backside to realise that.

No. I knew. I was parodying you.

As I said - too stupid to figure it out.

Edinburger said:

And, of course, the Scottish Government were the only Government to make this mistake, weren't they?

Covered that one ad infinitum (the dodgy deleted website), but again you are too stupid to remember.

Edinburger said:

Remind us of the scientific, medical or cultural precedent? Oh, that's right - there isn't one.

Covered that one too (SARS-Covid), but.......

Edited by Evercross on Wednesday 28th October 14:16

[Edinburger]

malks222 said:

Edinburger said:

Nonsense.

By the way, as youi'll have seen today 78 patients were sent to care homes after testing positive. Not quite the numbers which were being claimed here.

78 had tested positive out of 650(ish) tests- 12%

3000 (ish) more were sent back to care homes without a test. do we assume that there were another 12% of these patients positive, or just assume they were unlucky testing the 650 and the actually caught all the positive tests then

We'll never know.

Remember: to assume makes an ass of u and me.

[Edinburger]

malks222 said:

Edinburger said:

You do know the financial constraints on the Scottish Government, right?

absolutely, but they have been given resources to spend as they see fit.

but presumably just like the initial business grants they will choose what they spend it on. took a bit of pressure from business with the first round of grants to get them to pay out for more than one business premise

As I understand, they need to negotiate all additional spend.

[Edinburger]

Evercross said:

Edinburger said:

Au contraire: I was first to call you "laughing boy". I know you're too far up your own backside to realise that.

No. I knew. I was parodying you.

As I said - too stupid to figure it out.

Edinburger said:

And, of course, the Scottish Government were the only Government to make this mistake, weren't they?

Covered that one ad infinitum (the dodgy deleted website), but again you are too stupid to remember.

Edinburger said:

Remind us of the scientific, medical or cultural precedent? Oh, that's right - there isn't one.

Covered that one too (SARS-Covid), but.......

Edited by Evercross on Wednesday 28th October 14:16

Okay, I'll bite...

What gives you the right to call another poster stupid? What makes you think you're the big man on this thread? The big clever know-it-all that everyone looks up to?

Because you're not. You're just another anonymous poster. Treat people with respect. Be courteous and respectful. No one likes arrogance.

Or do we need to compare our education to see who's the cleversest?

[malks222]

Edinburger said:

malks222 said:

Edinburger said:

Nonsense.

By the way, as youi'll have seen today 78 patients were sent to care homes after testing positive. Not quite the numbers which were being claimed here.

78 had tested positive out of 650(ish) tests- 12%

3000 (ish) more were sent back to care homes without a test. do we assume that there were another 12% of these patients positive, or just assume they were unlucky testing the 650 and the actually caught all the positive tests then

We'll never know.

Remember: to assume makes an ass of u and me.

absolutely, but we do know that 2000 people have died within the care home environment. we know that this accounts for 50% of deaths in scotland. we know this is a high % compared to other comparable countries.

I think it’s almost certain that putting positive cases into a high risk environment was not the best course of action.

[amusingduck]

Edinburger said:

One is too high. This is a lesson learnt rather than bragging rights.

Lesson learnt? Jaw dropping, even from you.

Hmm, what happens if you send patients infected with a virus that overwhemingly kills off elderly people into care homes? If you can't forsee the answer, you shouldn't be allowed in public unsupervised. You shouldn't do anything unsupervised, including posting here.