Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 9

[Pastor Of Muppets]

The SNP are no better than the Trump mob.

A great blog from Effie today highlighting once again the disaster Scotland will face at the hands
of the ever deceitful and destructive SNP in their obsessive desire to take control of Scotland at
any cost.

Regarding a plebiscite election, Effie said...

"What consequences would such an act of rebellion have in Scotland? The immediate consequence would be that Scotland would be independent straight away. There could be no transition period following such an illegal act. There could be no divorce negotiations. From the moment the Scottish Parliament declared itself to be independent, there would be no more money from the British Treasury, so there would be no furlough and no more support for Scottish businesses. There would be no vaccine, because that has been bought for the United Kingdom, not for a breakaway Scotland.
We would immediately find ourselves both outside the UK and the EU, with no trade deals with anyone".


https://www.effiedeans.com/2021/01/the-snp-are-no-...

[coppernorks]

Pastor Of Muppets said:

The SNP are no better than the Trump mob.

A great blog from Effie today highlighting once again the disaster Scotland will face at the hands
of the ever deceitful and destructive SNP in their obsessive desire to take control of Scotland at
any cost.

Regarding a plebiscite election, Effie said...

"What consequences would such an act of rebellion have in Scotland? The immediate consequence would be that Scotland would be independent straight away. There could be no transition period following such an illegal act. There could be no divorce negotiations. From the moment the Scottish Parliament declared itself to be independent, there would be no more money from the British Treasury, so there would be no furlough and no more support for Scottish businesses. There would be no vaccine, because that has been bought for the United Kingdom, not for a breakaway Scotland.
We would immediately find ourselves both outside the UK and the EU, with no trade deals with anyone".
https://www.effiedeans.com/2021/01/the-snp-are-no-...

Well doh, that's why the SNP have no intention, nor have indicated as such, of doing anything so cretinous as calling a rogue indyref2.

[Roderick Spode]

coppernorks said:

Pastor Of Muppets said:

The SNP are no better than the Trump mob.

A great blog from Effie today highlighting once again the disaster Scotland will face at the hands
of the ever deceitful and destructive SNP in their obsessive desire to take control of Scotland at
any cost.

Regarding a plebiscite election, Effie said...

"What consequences would such an act of rebellion have in Scotland? The immediate consequence would be that Scotland would be independent straight away. There could be no transition period following such an illegal act. There could be no divorce negotiations. From the moment the Scottish Parliament declared itself to be independent, there would be no more money from the British Treasury, so there would be no furlough and no more support for Scottish businesses. There would be no vaccine, because that has been bought for the United Kingdom, not for a breakaway Scotland.
We would immediately find ourselves both outside the UK and the EU, with no trade deals with anyone".
https://www.effiedeans.com/2021/01/the-snp-are-no-...

Well doh, that's why the SNP have no intention, nor have indicated as such, of doing anything so cretinous as calling a rogue indyref2.

I think there's a fair chance, if the SNP followed the rantings of their most unhinged separatists, that the British government would react as Spain did to the Catalans & send in the troops. In the eyes of the international community a UDI election would be viewed as seditious, and the newly formed state of Sturgeonia would be a pariah diplomatically and economically. The consequences would be utterly dire, and only the terminally stupid suggest such a course of action as in the slightest bit feasible.

[irc]

coppernorks said:

Well doh, that's why the SNP have no intention, nor have indicated as such, of doing anything so cretinous as calling a rogue indyref2.

Some MSPs have suggested it.

"Nicola Sturgeon should claim the victory of a ‘wildcat’ independence referendum even if the majority of voters and political parties boycott it, a former SNP minister has suggested.

Alex Neil MSP, the former health minister, called for a ‘consultative’ referendum on whether Scotland remains part of the Union if it can be legally approved without permission from the UK government. "

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/01/19/ni...

[Pastor Of Muppets]

Roderick Spode said:

I think there's a fair chance, if the SNP followed the rantings of their most unhinged separatists, that the British government would react as Spain did to the Catalans & send in the troops. In the eyes of the international community a UDI election would be viewed as seditious, and the newly formed state of Sturgeonia would be a pariah diplomatically and economically. The consequences would be utterly dire, and only the terminally stupid suggest such a course of action as in the slightest bit feasible.

There would appear to be a plethora of terminally stupid though, a quick visit to almost any topic on WOS
shows a multitude calling for a plebiscite election. I absolutely agree, it's an exceptionally retarded idea.

[Roderick Spode]

Pastor Of Muppets said:

Roderick Spode said:

I think there's a fair chance, if the SNP followed the rantings of their most unhinged separatists, that the British government would react as Spain did to the Catalans & send in the troops. In the eyes of the international community a UDI election would be viewed as seditious, and the newly formed state of Sturgeonia would be a pariah diplomatically and economically. The consequences would be utterly dire, and only the terminally stupid suggest such a course of action as in the slightest bit feasible.

There would appear to be a plethora of terminally stupid though, a quick visit to almost any topic on WOS
shows a multitude calling for a plebiscite election. I absolutely agree, it's an exceptionally retarded idea.

The Wings Over Bath comments section is like a wormhole into a future dystopian nightmare scenario, where the radial fundamentalists outline their nationalist utopia should they ever achieve the sunlit uplands of independence - yoons extradited across the border, properties and possessions seized by force, non-sympathetic businesses shut down, people who care not a jot about currency, the economy, livelihoods, just so long as they have 'freedom', and to hell with everything and everyone else, especially if they are English.

[Lim]

As with John Major, the only logical explanation is sabotage .

[ant1973]

Roderick Spode said:

Pastor Of Muppets said:

Roderick Spode said:

I think there's a fair chance, if the SNP followed the rantings of their most unhinged separatists, that the British government would react as Spain did to the Catalans & send in the troops. In the eyes of the international community a UDI election would be viewed as seditious, and the newly formed state of Sturgeonia would be a pariah diplomatically and economically. The consequences would be utterly dire, and only the terminally stupid suggest such a course of action as in the slightest bit feasible.

There would appear to be a plethora of terminally stupid though, a quick visit to almost any topic on WOS
shows a multitude calling for a plebiscite election. I absolutely agree, it's an exceptionally retarded idea.

The Wings Over Bath comments section is like a wormhole into a future dystopian nightmare scenario, where the radial fundamentalists outline their nationalist utopia should they ever achieve the sunlit uplands of independence - yoons extradited across the border, properties and possessions seized by force, non-sympathetic businesses shut down, people who care not a jot about currency, the economy, livelihoods, just so long as they have 'freedom', and to hell with everything and everyone else, especially if they are English.

Like the ramblings of the demented across the political spectrum, they can be safely ignored.

What can't be ignored is the Dear Leader's comments this morning that she is going to look at taking further measures that prevent people leaving their house to go to work. I fear we may well see construction and manufacturing canned this week. She might adopt the sleekit "guidance" approach of last time but the entire industry will not fall for that trick twice. I am hopeful it will not be anything other than a repeat of the guidance because she can't afford to sub those two large sectors of the economy. Especially given that an election is imminent (maybe!).

[Roderick Spode]

ant1973 said:

Like the ramblings of the demented across the political spectrum, they can be safely ignored.

What can't be ignored is the Dear Leader's comments this morning that she is going to look at taking further measures that prevent people leaving their house to go to work. I fear we may well see construction and manufacturing canned this week. She might adopt the sleekit "guidance" approach of last time but the entire industry will not fall for that trick twice. I am hopeful it will not be anything other than a repeat of the guidance because she can't afford to sub those two large sectors of the economy. Especially given that an election is imminent (maybe!).

I hope she gives it a square go, because she would be picking a fight with so many industry bodies and the UK Government. I work in the electricity sector, and the regulator Ofgem & National Grid lobbied the UK Government hard prior to the first lockdown, stating that continued upgrades to the electricity network should be considered vital for national security, to which the UK Govt agreed on the basis of suitable provision of Covid-safe methods of working be implemented, which has been done throughout the industry. I look forward to seeing Foghorn Dreghorn, a tinpot dictator of a regional assembly, getting slapped down when she tries to mix it with the big boys.

[Edinburger]

Roderick Spode said:

ant1973 said:

Like the ramblings of the demented across the political spectrum, they can be safely ignored.

What can't be ignored is the Dear Leader's comments this morning that she is going to look at taking further measures that prevent people leaving their house to go to work. I fear we may well see construction and manufacturing canned this week. She might adopt the sleekit "guidance" approach of last time but the entire industry will not fall for that trick twice. I am hopeful it will not be anything other than a repeat of the guidance because she can't afford to sub those two large sectors of the economy. Especially given that an election is imminent (maybe!).

I hope she gives it a square go, because she would be picking a fight with so many industry bodies and the UK Government. I work in the electricity sector, and the regulator Ofgem & National Grid lobbied the UK Government hard prior to the first lockdown, stating that continued upgrades to the electricity network should be considered vital for national security, to which the UK Govt agreed on the basis of suitable provision of Covid-safe methods of working be implemented, which has been done throughout the industry. I look forward to seeing Foghorn Dreghorn, a tinpot dictator of a regional assembly, getting slapped down when she tries to mix it with the big boys.

Apologies if this has been covered before but I haven't visited this thread for a few weeks.

When you say "I fear we may well see construction and manufacturing canned this week" I assumer you mean told they must not leave home for work? If that happens, good (asuming furlough, etc.). It makes no sense to have schools closed when vanloads of workmen are travelling together all over the place. Likewise, there's lots of businesses open and even shops open who should not be open if schools are not open.

[ant1973]

Edinburger said:

Roderick Spode said:

ant1973 said:

Like the ramblings of the demented across the political spectrum, they can be safely ignored.

What can't be ignored is the Dear Leader's comments this morning that she is going to look at taking further measures that prevent people leaving their house to go to work. I fear we may well see construction and manufacturing canned this week. She might adopt the sleekit "guidance" approach of last time but the entire industry will not fall for that trick twice. I am hopeful it will not be anything other than a repeat of the guidance because she can't afford to sub those two large sectors of the economy. Especially given that an election is imminent (maybe!).

I hope she gives it a square go, because she would be picking a fight with so many industry bodies and the UK Government. I work in the electricity sector, and the regulator Ofgem & National Grid lobbied the UK Government hard prior to the first lockdown, stating that continued upgrades to the electricity network should be considered vital for national security, to which the UK Govt agreed on the basis of suitable provision of Covid-safe methods of working be implemented, which has been done throughout the industry. I look forward to seeing Foghorn Dreghorn, a tinpot dictator of a regional assembly, getting slapped down when she tries to mix it with the big boys.

Apologies if this has been covered before but I haven't visited this thread for a few weeks.

When you say "I fear we may well see construction and manufacturing canned this week" I assumer you mean told they must not leave home for work? If that happens, good (asuming furlough, etc.). It makes no sense to have schools closed when vanloads of workmen are travelling together all over the place. Likewise, there's lots of businesses open and even shops open who should not be open if schools are not open.

Good!?

I take it you are able to work from home!!?

What should construction companies do? You know that furlough only deals with staff wages - not pension contributions and NI? How do they finance their fixed costs? Take out potentially ruinous loans? Owners to risk their homes with CBILs PGs?

But hey, you are ok, so I guess it's fine.

Both industries contribute enormously to the economy and our well being. Construction is a low margin, high risk business. Reserves are low and this will be the death knell for lots of companies. There is no support for fixed costs in terms of grants.

I hope the Chief Mammy understands that it is a one way ticket to unemployment for a key component of her demographic.

No doubt we will be issued with "guidance" so she can have clean hands in the future.

Not if I have anything to do with it.

With respect - your comfy middle class attitude makes me sick.

[technodup]

ant1973 said:

Like the ramblings of the demented across the political spectrum, they can be safely ignored.

What can't be ignored is the Dear Leader's comments this morning that she is going to look at taking further measures that prevent people leaving their house to go to work. I fear we may well see construction and manufacturing canned this week.

That's the rumour I've heard from two different people today. Ireland has apparently already done it... one guy said 'essential' (his example was building regen homes for councils) will continue but anything 'non essential' will stop.

It's essential to my holiday home in the sun that I continue fitting windows. So we'll be fitting them as long as we have windows to fit. As risk goes, a couple of guys standing mostly next to a wide open window all day, with the customer in another room must be pretty far down the scale. Sturgeon can kiss my sweaty arse.

[Evercross]

Oh look, another eminent Tory has weighed in with more rumours regarding the unlawfulness that is the behaviour of senior civil servants, the SNP CEO and FM.

Still nothing to see here!

MacAskill is a fairly accomplished solicitor who ran a legal partnership for decades. He is no mug and his interpretation of events suggests that it is a matter of when, not if, this will have consequences for the people concerned. Sturgeon and Murrell are now holding back the pressure, not avoiding it.

[ant1973]

technodup said:

ant1973 said:

Like the ramblings of the demented across the political spectrum, they can be safely ignored.

What can't be ignored is the Dear Leader's comments this morning that she is going to look at taking further measures that prevent people leaving their house to go to work. I fear we may well see construction and manufacturing canned this week.

That's the rumour I've heard from two different people today. Ireland has apparently already done it... one guy said 'essential' (his example was building regen homes for councils) will continue but anything 'non essential' will stop.

It's essential to my holiday home in the sun that I continue fitting windows. So we'll be fitting them as long as we have windows to fit. As risk goes, a couple of guys standing mostly next to a wide open window all day, with the customer in another room must be pretty far down the scale. Sturgeon can kiss my sweaty arse.

I am praying that she can't afford it politically or financially. The number of self employed people in the construction sector is scary. They will be royally stuffed.

[technodup]

It's easy when someone else is paying for it.

Is it too late to start a 'No More Lockdowns' party for the election?

[hiccy18]

technodup said:

Is it too late to start a 'No More Lockdowns' party for the election?

Think it was too late by April.

[Roderick Spode]

Edinburger said:

Roderick Spode said:

ant1973 said:

Like the ramblings of the demented across the political spectrum, they can be safely ignored.

What can't be ignored is the Dear Leader's comments this morning that she is going to look at taking further measures that prevent people leaving their house to go to work. I fear we may well see construction and manufacturing canned this week. She might adopt the sleekit "guidance" approach of last time but the entire industry will not fall for that trick twice. I am hopeful it will not be anything other than a repeat of the guidance because she can't afford to sub those two large sectors of the economy. Especially given that an election is imminent (maybe!).

I hope she gives it a square go, because she would be picking a fight with so many industry bodies and the UK Government. I work in the electricity sector, and the regulator Ofgem & National Grid lobbied the UK Government hard prior to the first lockdown, stating that continued upgrades to the electricity network should be considered vital for national security, to which the UK Govt agreed on the basis of suitable provision of Covid-safe methods of working be implemented, which has been done throughout the industry. I look forward to seeing Foghorn Dreghorn, a tinpot dictator of a regional assembly, getting slapped down when she tries to mix it with the big boys.

Apologies if this has been covered before but I haven't visited this thread for a few weeks.

When you say "I fear we may well see construction and manufacturing canned this week" I assumer you mean told they must not leave home for work? If that happens, good (asuming furlough, etc.). It makes no sense to have schools closed when vanloads of workmen are travelling together all over the place. Likewise, there's lots of businesses open and even shops open who should not be open if schools are not open.

In what way would such an approach be "good"? Our guys on site have moved heaven and earth to minimise the risks to themselves and others. They work in small isolated teams, never mix in communal areas, some guys have spent months away from home to eradicate the risk of transmitting potential infection beyond the site environment. In the event of a positive Covid diagnosis, each team would be isolated and removed from sites, and quarantined for the two week period. Following these operating procedures, we have had sites across Scotland operating since the first lockdown without event or consequence. If the Chief Mammy unilaterally dictates that these should be closed down without satisfactory evidence to support this decision, I feel she will have a fight on her hands.

ant1973 said:

With respect - your comfy middle class attitude makes me sick.

Very much this.

[moanthebairns]

Edinburger said:

Roderick Spode said:

ant1973 said:

Like the ramblings of the demented across the political spectrum, they can be safely ignored.

What can't be ignored is the Dear Leader's comments this morning that she is going to look at taking further measures that prevent people leaving their house to go to work. I fear we may well see construction and manufacturing canned this week. She might adopt the sleekit "guidance" approach of last time but the entire industry will not fall for that trick twice. I am hopeful it will not be anything other than a repeat of the guidance because she can't afford to sub those two large sectors of the economy. Especially given that an election is imminent (maybe!).

I hope she gives it a square go, because she would be picking a fight with so many industry bodies and the UK Government. I work in the electricity sector, and the regulator Ofgem & National Grid lobbied the UK Government hard prior to the first lockdown, stating that continued upgrades to the electricity network should be considered vital for national security, to which the UK Govt agreed on the basis of suitable provision of Covid-safe methods of working be implemented, which has been done throughout the industry. I look forward to seeing Foghorn Dreghorn, a tinpot dictator of a regional assembly, getting slapped down when she tries to mix it with the big boys.

Apologies if this has been covered before but I haven't visited this thread for a few weeks.

When you say "I fear we may well see construction and manufacturing canned this week" I assumer you mean told they must not leave home for work? If that happens, good (asuming furlough, etc.). It makes no sense to have schools closed when vanloads of workmen are travelling together all over the place. Likewise, there's lots of businesses open and even shops open who should not be open if schools are not open.

How do you wire up an MCC or install a spool piece sat at home watching Killroy? The designers, project managers, engineers etc that can work at home like myself, somewhat would have no work to do if the guys on site can't get access. There is the knock on effect to suppliers, fabricators, hire shops, sales etc. It cannot just start and stop. Some sites require shutdowns planned months in advance. Then you add in the uncertainty of expansion and improvement projects due to the current climate of shut everything down.

A lot of us in this industry are contractors and I can't live on the handouts the government issue. I'm 33, fit and healthy yet have had to loose tens of thousands so some fking 84 year old in a care home can live in their piss for another six months. Enough is enough, I am fed up with this tunnel vision, they're not taking into consideration the ramifications on other aspects of life or existing medical conditions. When all is said in done this will kill more prematurely than it will save whilst lowering the standard of life. Just imagine if we'd spent all the money we have done on finding cures for cancer, AIDs, dementia, heart disease, better care than on a virus that kills 41 under 45's in an entire year in a country with a population of 5 million.

[Leithen]

Edinburger said:

Apologies if this has been covered before but I haven't visited this thread for a few weeks.

When you say "I fear we may well see construction and manufacturing canned this week" I assumer you mean told they must not leave home for work? If that happens, good (asuming furlough, etc.). It makes no sense to have schools closed when vanloads of workmen are travelling together all over the place. Likewise, there's lots of businesses open and even shops open who should not be open if schools are not open.

The moment your electricity, water, or broadband failed, you'd be desperate for workmen to appear.

Idiot.

[Roderick Spode]

Leithen said:

Edinburger said:

Apologies if this has been covered before but I haven't visited this thread for a few weeks.

When you say "I fear we may well see construction and manufacturing canned this week" I assumer you mean told they must not leave home for work? If that happens, good (asuming furlough, etc.). It makes no sense to have schools closed when vanloads of workmen are travelling together all over the place. Likewise, there's lots of businesses open and even shops open who should not be open if schools are not open.

The moment your electricity, water, or broadband failed, you'd be desperate for workmen to appear.

Idiot.

Utilities have been classified as critical industries by the real government at Westminster, and rightly so. If all the electricity, water, gas, etc, workers downed tools and sat at home with their thumbs up their arses, things would rapidly and noticeably deteriorate. Many of the construction projects being undertaken at the moment in the electricity industry are upgrade or network strengthening works, with critical outages taken to allow these works to proceed. In the world of Edinburger, do these sites all shut down with immediate effect? Who manages the fallout should another circuit go down with no contingency, because everyone is forced to stay at home? It's abject reactionary nonsense without basis in evidence or fact. I look forward to the Queen of Selfies proposing it.