This a*se should be arrested
Discussion
768 said:
Disastrous said:
If they were needed but didn’t find him, how on Earth did he survive??
Read the thread, it was a miracle.The clouds parted and the hand of God shoved him onto the beach.
Here was me thinking he’d gone out in a nice 5/4 buoyant winter suit with a hood
Disastrous said:
Ahhh, I see!
Here was me thinking he’d gone out in a nice 5/4 buoyant winter suit with a hood
Really? Reading the thread I'd assumed he'd bought a pair of quiksilver shorts, converse boots and watched point break before heading out on an aldi skidboard.Here was me thinking he’d gone out in a nice 5/4 buoyant winter suit with a hood
Are you suggesting he had actually surfed before?
El stovey said:
Nickgnome said:
bulldong said:
witko999 said:
I wouldn't want to be anywhere near that boat for fear of being crushed under it in those conditions.
I was also thinking the same. The position the surfer in the water is not a suitable rescue zone anyway. Its right next to the pier, in the breaking waves, in the shallow water. Arguably the risk to life and machine is greater than just letting the surfer sort himself out. He didn't need help anyway, as we have already established.He entered the water in Hastings in front of the rnli station, lost his board and drifted down the coast and ended up getting out at Pett Level.
“The man was seen struggling off the coast of Hastings, East Sussex, at about 11:00 GMT, prompting a search involving the Coastguard helicopter.
He was found alive by the Coastguard about six miles away in Rye Bay shortly before 13:30. “
Then the helicopter landed and he was taken to William Harvey hospital in Ashford
Do people honestly think he actually swam over 7k in the worst storm in ages to Pett Level as some kind of self rescue plan?
I would hope that even experienced people that go in the water weigh up what rescue they can get if in trouble, and what trouble they could put the rescuers in. All about a bit of common sense, not "going in cos I can". Whatever he thought, if someone made the 999 call then people were going to put their lives at risk.
It would be interesting to hear the surfers own words on the event and is it the norm when major storms are battering the coast.
Meanwhile, some dimwits excercicng their right to be there.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-wales-51444877/st...
stitched said:
Disastrous said:
Ahhh, I see!
Here was me thinking he’d gone out in a nice 5/4 buoyant winter suit with a hood
Really? Reading the thread I'd assumed he'd bought a pair of quiksilver shorts, converse boots and watched point break before heading out on an aldi skidboard.Here was me thinking he’d gone out in a nice 5/4 buoyant winter suit with a hood
Are you suggesting he had actually surfed before?
El stovey said:
witko999 said:
It says in the Twitter video someone posted earlier that the RNLI actually saw him from the boat.
And if it wasn't a self rescue plan, what else was he doing there? Sometimes the current along the coast is sufficiently strong that you can't swim against it, particularly in big swells. I don't know the area around where it happened, but I have been out in fairly solid surf and had to exit the water 1 or 2 kilometers away, even with my surfboard because you can't paddle against it. I'm sure it wasn't his original intention when he got in the water, but once he lost his board there may have been no other option.
So what you’re saying is he had completely underestimated the conditions and risk had no plan for if he lost his board and was lucky to survive.And if it wasn't a self rescue plan, what else was he doing there? Sometimes the current along the coast is sufficiently strong that you can't swim against it, particularly in big swells. I don't know the area around where it happened, but I have been out in fairly solid surf and had to exit the water 1 or 2 kilometers away, even with my surfboard because you can't paddle against it. I'm sure it wasn't his original intention when he got in the water, but once he lost his board there may have been no other option.
By your logic, anyone that ever requires the help of any emergency services has completely underestimated their situation, and should therefore be fined/shot/have their address published for a witch-hunt.
witko999 said:
El stovey said:
witko999 said:
It says in the Twitter video someone posted earlier that the RNLI actually saw him from the boat.
And if it wasn't a self rescue plan, what else was he doing there? Sometimes the current along the coast is sufficiently strong that you can't swim against it, particularly in big swells. I don't know the area around where it happened, but I have been out in fairly solid surf and had to exit the water 1 or 2 kilometers away, even with my surfboard because you can't paddle against it. I'm sure it wasn't his original intention when he got in the water, but once he lost his board there may have been no other option.
So what you’re saying is he had completely underestimated the conditions and risk had no plan for if he lost his board and was lucky to survive.And if it wasn't a self rescue plan, what else was he doing there? Sometimes the current along the coast is sufficiently strong that you can't swim against it, particularly in big swells. I don't know the area around where it happened, but I have been out in fairly solid surf and had to exit the water 1 or 2 kilometers away, even with my surfboard because you can't paddle against it. I'm sure it wasn't his original intention when he got in the water, but once he lost his board there may have been no other option.
By your logic, anyone that ever requires the help of any emergency services has completely underestimated their situation, and should therefore be fined/shot/have their address published for a witch-hunt.
Disastrous said:
Quite so! Hence why I for one will NOT rest until he sees a firing squad. Endangering our ruddy bloody brave boys like that. Never forget. Thots n prayers.
How exactly are you going to undertake the threat in your post?Are you stamping your feet or something even more pointless?
El stovey said:
Nickgnome said:
Why have you got such a bee in your bonnet over this particular incident and the person involved. I may well have done stuff differently either with a buddy or spotter.
I’m sure you understand that if caught out it is advisable not to swim against the tide so if wind and tide were in the same direction that amount of drift would be expected.
Because people are having a discussion about whether the bloke was an idiot for going surfing in those conditions on his own and whether in the end he needed help or not. I’m sure you understand that if caught out it is advisable not to swim against the tide so if wind and tide were in the same direction that amount of drift would be expected.
witko999 said:
Nope, that's what you're saying. If he was on the verge of drowning, then yes you could say he was lucky to survive. However, that information isn't available so I'll assume that he was absolutely fine unless told otherwise. He certainly looked fine in the video. Since he wasn't rescued by anyone, the outcome would've been the same either way.
By your logic, anyone that ever requires the help of any emergency services has completely underestimated their situation, and should therefore be fined/shot/have their address published for a witch-hunt.
You’ve seen a video of him getting out of the water at the end of his swim where the coast guard tended to him over 7km down the coast? He went to hospital in a helicopter and the RNLI guy said he thought he possibly had hypothermia.By your logic, anyone that ever requires the help of any emergency services has completely underestimated their situation, and should therefore be fined/shot/have their address published for a witch-hunt.
Why are you making silly comments about shooting people or having your address published?
You could quite easily need the emergency services through no fault of your own and not by underestimating your situation.
This bloke who goes to Hastings in a storm, looks at the sea for a bit but still decides to go in (on his own) and then loses his board and can’t get out any where nearby (fancy that) and then ends up getting out of the water 7k away after a couple of hours has made some pretty fundamental errors.
Before you went in the water would you think, is this safe? where will I get out? Can I get out here if I lose my board? Where’s the nearest place I’ll be able to get out?
That’s the whole point of the thread, discussing whether he was stupid to go surfing there on his own in those conditions.
You obviously think it was an ok decision, based on the available information, I don’t. That’s what the thread”s about.
BMWBen said:
And the same should apply to anyone who crashes on the road. Clearly.
Clearly not. You could easily have a crash through no fault of your own or through a mistake that maybe lots of other people would make.
Most people would look at the conditions on that day in that location and not go surfing especially on their own.
El stovey said:
Before you went in the water would you think, is this safe? where will I get out? Can I get out here if I lose my board? Where’s the nearest place I’ll be able to get out?
That’s the whole point of the thread, discussing whether he was stupid to go surfing there on his own in those conditions.
You obviously think it was an ok decision, based on the available information, I don’t. That’s what the thread”s about.
You can make preparations for almost everything, but when something goes awry you have to change plans and your methods to suit on the fly, which this guy seemed to do very well. That’s the whole point of the thread, discussing whether he was stupid to go surfing there on his own in those conditions.
You obviously think it was an ok decision, based on the available information, I don’t. That’s what the thread”s about.
He'd made adequate preparations in equipment and training to survive and get himself out of the water. He's clearly (from the information we have available) not an idiot.
I go open water swimming. Before i get in the water i have a plan as to where I'm going and where i'm getting out. Sometimes the the tide is stronger, or the waves are bigger, or I'm more fatigued than expected or the strap on my goggles breaks, or whatever (hey, s
t happens sometimes) and I change my plan by getting out of the water earlier or in a different location than initially planned, leading to a walk back to the car. That's not idiocy, it's adapting for a successful outcome.La Liga said:
was parodying some of the arguments.
They are different clearly different circumstances.
Some earlier mentioned how to define the conditions in which a person should and should not surf. As a laymen, if the RNLI say not to go out, that seems a pretty reasonable gauge.
Whether they were unnecessarily exposed to risk is clearly up for debate. The risk of deploying is greater than the risk of not.However, as other people have highlighted, perhaps this was very valuable in terms of experience / training.
In terms of the surfer making it back. Was that skill, or a large dose of luck? Who knows?
Oh I knew you were, I was just offering my opinion about the climbers, IMO it would be a risk in summer with the equipment they had.They are different clearly different circumstances.
Some earlier mentioned how to define the conditions in which a person should and should not surf. As a laymen, if the RNLI say not to go out, that seems a pretty reasonable gauge.
Whether they were unnecessarily exposed to risk is clearly up for debate. The risk of deploying is greater than the risk of not.However, as other people have highlighted, perhaps this was very valuable in terms of experience / training.
In terms of the surfer making it back. Was that skill, or a large dose of luck? Who knows?
grassomaniac said:
La Liga said:
was parodying some of the arguments.
They are different clearly different circumstances.
Some earlier mentioned how to define the conditions in which a person should and should not surf. As a laymen, if the RNLI say not to go out, that seems a pretty reasonable gauge.
Whether they were unnecessarily exposed to risk is clearly up for debate. The risk of deploying is greater than the risk of not.However, as other people have highlighted, perhaps this was very valuable in terms of experience / training.
In terms of the surfer making it back. Was that skill, or a large dose of luck? Who knows?
Oh I knew you were, I was just offering my opinion about the climbers, IMO it would be a risk in summer with the equipment they had.They are different clearly different circumstances.
Some earlier mentioned how to define the conditions in which a person should and should not surf. As a laymen, if the RNLI say not to go out, that seems a pretty reasonable gauge.
Whether they were unnecessarily exposed to risk is clearly up for debate. The risk of deploying is greater than the risk of not.However, as other people have highlighted, perhaps this was very valuable in terms of experience / training.
In terms of the surfer making it back. Was that skill, or a large dose of luck? Who knows?
Andy20vt said:
Digby said:
Andy20vt said:
The lifeboat chose to go and look for him - that was completely their choice, and an admirable one at that.
"The Coastguard helicopter, Hastings RNLI Lifeboat, Bexhill Coastguard Rescue Team and Ryde Bay Coastguard Rescue Team carried out the search for him." There was more involved than just a boat. But then when a board appears and a body doesn't, what do you do?
They also tried four or five times to retrieve the boat on their return but had to abandon their attempts due to the conditions. It then had to divert to Eastbourne harbour.
Quite an expensive outing.
You are defending the indefensible.
El stovey said:
You’ve seen a video of him getting out of the water at the end of his swim where the coast guard tended to him over 7km down the coast? He went to hospital in a helicopter and the RNLI guy said he thought he possibly had hypothermia.
Why are you making silly comments about shooting people or having your address published?
You could quite easily need the emergency services through no fault of your own and not by underestimating your situation.
This bloke who goes to Hastings in a storm, looks at the sea for a bit but still decides to go in (on his own) and then loses his board and can’t get out any where nearby (fancy that) and then ends up getting out of the water 7k away after a couple of hours has made some pretty fundamental errors.
Before you went in the water would you think, is this safe? where will I get out? Can I get out here if I lose my board? Where’s the nearest place I’ll be able to get out?
That’s the whole point of the thread, discussing whether he was stupid to go surfing there on his own in those conditions.
You obviously think it was an ok decision, based on the available information, I don’t. That’s what the thread”s about.
I haven't seen a video at the end of his swim. Nor have you. The RNLI guy saying he may have hypothermia is probably meaningless. Surfing in the UK in winter means a lot of shivering and white extremities after 2.5hrs (a fairly normal period for a surf session). If he'd been in the water 6hrs I'd be more inclined to believe it.Why are you making silly comments about shooting people or having your address published?
You could quite easily need the emergency services through no fault of your own and not by underestimating your situation.
This bloke who goes to Hastings in a storm, looks at the sea for a bit but still decides to go in (on his own) and then loses his board and can’t get out any where nearby (fancy that) and then ends up getting out of the water 7k away after a couple of hours has made some pretty fundamental errors.
Before you went in the water would you think, is this safe? where will I get out? Can I get out here if I lose my board? Where’s the nearest place I’ll be able to get out?
That’s the whole point of the thread, discussing whether he was stupid to go surfing there on his own in those conditions.
You obviously think it was an ok decision, based on the available information, I don’t. That’s what the thread”s about.
I made the comment about address publishing because one of the angry commenters actually said that earlier in the thread.
I also mentioned earlier that I don't know whether he was stupid to go out or not. There isn't enough information. All I'm doing is countering the points made by several in this thread, which is that he is an idiot for going out, no matter what. There are many surfers that would've been more than capable of handling the conditions. A knee jerk 'this a*se should be arrested' attitude isn't very sensible.
oyster said:
Andy20vt said:
Digby said:
Andy20vt said:
The lifeboat chose to go and look for him - that was completely their choice, and an admirable one at that.
"The Coastguard helicopter, Hastings RNLI Lifeboat, Bexhill Coastguard Rescue Team and Ryde Bay Coastguard Rescue Team carried out the search for him." There was more involved than just a boat. But then when a board appears and a body doesn't, what do you do?
They also tried four or five times to retrieve the boat on their return but had to abandon their attempts due to the conditions. It then had to divert to Eastbourne harbour.
Quite an expensive outing.
You are defending the indefensible.
But I don't think your posts are based on actual interaction with RNLI volunteers, in fact i'd lay a virtual pint that you have never interacted with one.
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