This a*se should be arrested
Discussion
Nickgnome said:
El stovey said:
Sorry I didn’t mean you in particular, just what makes someone a surfer, based on the comments made before about surfers only judging surfers.
It’s cool. I tried surfing quite late on, down at Saunton sands and missed the rig to hang on to. Croyde is a bit for the locals. As an a amateur I’m too old for the big waves now anyway. I prefer the big boat stuff.
You can only be 60 odd surely?
Age is just a number. The only time I feel any different is when there's a mirror in front of me.
Ask Ray Woolley.
https://uk.reuters.com/article/us-cyprus-diving-re...
dandarez said:
Who told you you're too old Nick, 'experts'?
You can only be 60 odd surely?
Age is just a number. The only time I feel any different is when there's a mirror in front of me.
Ask Ray Woolley.
https://uk.reuters.com/article/us-cyprus-diving-re...
Sixty. I wish. However you wrap it up even with training muscle mass depletes. You can only be 60 odd surely?
Age is just a number. The only time I feel any different is when there's a mirror in front of me.
Ask Ray Woolley.
https://uk.reuters.com/article/us-cyprus-diving-re...
I ceased work years ago and enjoy bigger boat sailing now. My days of going out in 45+knot winds are done.
When I run now, however hard I try I’m not going to knock out 16kph for an hour or so. Probably half that. What was once easy is now unachievable.
El stovey said:
BMWBen said:
No, that's not what I meant. I meant that people sat behind their keyboards on pistonheads who have no knowledge or experience surfing are not able to make an accurate assessment as to whether his decision was stupid and he should be hanged for it.
Ah ok, in that case, based on this odd criteria, i’m able to make an accurate assessment about his decision. So how do you know if all the other people behind a keyboard have any experience of surfing?
Do you have any experience of surfing? Can you make an assessment about his decision also?
Yes I have experience surfing, no I can't make an assessment about his decision because I wasn't there at the beach at hastings looking at the conditions and I have no idea about what experience he has and what factors went into the decision he made.
I did go out in the solent on a windsurfer following my own careful evaluation. I wouldn't expect anybody else who didn't have any knowledge about my experience, my experience of that particular spot in those conditions, and my considerations and preparation to be able to come up with a meaningful assessment of that decision either.
I don't know whether anybody on here has experience surfing. I expect some do, but most don't as surfing is very much a minority sport. Anyone who says "weather warning = automatically a stupid decision" has provided evidence that they don't know much about surfing. Regardless, you don't know anything about *his* experience so no, your assessment is based on inadequate information.
BMWBen said:
Anyone who says "weather warning = automatically a stupid decision" has provided evidence that they don't know much about surfing. Regardless, you don't know anything about *his* experience so no, your assessment is based on inadequate information.
I don't know anything about climbing ladders, but I would still tell someone not to climb one during a named storm. Regardless of what experience they had.Cotty said:
I don't know anything about climbing ladders, but I would still tell someone not to climb one during a named storm. Regardless of what experience they had.
I climbed my loft ladder. Also a short stepladder to unblock a gutter. Emergency services were not required, and so far I haven't been arrested.Cotty said:
BMWBen said:
Anyone who says "weather warning = automatically a stupid decision" has provided evidence that they don't know much about surfing. Regardless, you don't know anything about *his* experience so no, your assessment is based on inadequate information.
I don't know anything about climbing ladders, but I would still tell someone not to climb one during a named storm. Regardless of what experience they had.How about this: I don't know anything about solving 4th order difference equations, but I would still tell someone not to try and solve one during a named storm.
Kinda silly isn't it.
BMWBen said:
How about this: I don't know anything about solving 4th order difference equations, but I would still tell someone not to try and solve one during a named storm.
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I agree, if they were standing on the end of a pier in a storm..
Obviously I was not referring to climbing ladders inside.
Cotty said:
Did you climb the stepladder in 80-90mph winds?
This chap did. Should he be arrested? (From the wet and windy thread.)
I was due to go surfing in a storm a couple of years ago. We decided on discretion as the waves were 10-14ft and Magicseaweed suggested conditions were for "experienced storm riders only", so went for a wet and windy walk, but there were 20-30 out. They didn't (I assume) suffer equipment failure and therefore the ignominy of a thread on PH.
Cotty said:
Did you climb the stepladder in 80-90mph winds?
I have no idea as I didn't bother to pull out an anemometer.What I did do was consider the chances of an accident (given wind strength and possible gusts, the height I needed to climb - about 3 feet) and the consequences (minor - probably a bruised arse + embarrasment) and make an informed decision. I expect you'd have done the same.
I wonder if those that are being so critical because he ignored warnings from those with training and experience apply the same to themselves?
On our roads the experts have decided the speed limits that are safe for that part of the road. Therefore, you must stick to them and never break them. If you do then you are a maniac, and a danger to others. The people that set them are the ones who know what they are doing, and the public is not to be trusted going faster and so cannot choose to break them.
Is that the case for all of you commenting?
Another example might be a deadly heatwave in Europe with temps in the high 30's, and lots of warnings. Yet in other parts of the world that is just a typical summer's day. Is the guy from Ethiopia who is out in those temps a maniac for not listening to the warnings about the heatwave?
In reality if you have experience and training it can be very different. I can hardly swim, so I'd be an idiot going out any distance in the sea even on a sunny summer's day. Yet I have a lot of winter experience, done several avalanche courses, lots of experience in the mountains in winter, slept outdoors in -25C etc. I take extra clothes with me, an emergency blanket etc, in case I hurt myself and need to settle down for many hours. Some people would regard being out in -25C as a crazy thing to do, and dangerous. For me it is part of my experiences, training and preparations. It could/will be that one day I am in an accident and need emergency services. Many in the UK would say I was a moron and putting rescuers at risk purely based on the fact I called the emergency services. Yet is that true? Does it make any different that here in Norway the nursey schools put the kids out for their afternoon naps in -20C?
It's impossible to make proper judgement based on the consequence of something - as accidents can happen to even the most experienced and prepared people. And people often think others are idiots if they don't understand it. Many will say this person was stupid for not listening to the experts advice, yet for example will happily break rules like speed limits that is made up by other experts, as "it is ok for me/ I have track experience/ experts don't know what they're talking about" etc.
On our roads the experts have decided the speed limits that are safe for that part of the road. Therefore, you must stick to them and never break them. If you do then you are a maniac, and a danger to others. The people that set them are the ones who know what they are doing, and the public is not to be trusted going faster and so cannot choose to break them.
Is that the case for all of you commenting?
Another example might be a deadly heatwave in Europe with temps in the high 30's, and lots of warnings. Yet in other parts of the world that is just a typical summer's day. Is the guy from Ethiopia who is out in those temps a maniac for not listening to the warnings about the heatwave?
In reality if you have experience and training it can be very different. I can hardly swim, so I'd be an idiot going out any distance in the sea even on a sunny summer's day. Yet I have a lot of winter experience, done several avalanche courses, lots of experience in the mountains in winter, slept outdoors in -25C etc. I take extra clothes with me, an emergency blanket etc, in case I hurt myself and need to settle down for many hours. Some people would regard being out in -25C as a crazy thing to do, and dangerous. For me it is part of my experiences, training and preparations. It could/will be that one day I am in an accident and need emergency services. Many in the UK would say I was a moron and putting rescuers at risk purely based on the fact I called the emergency services. Yet is that true? Does it make any different that here in Norway the nursey schools put the kids out for their afternoon naps in -20C?
It's impossible to make proper judgement based on the consequence of something - as accidents can happen to even the most experienced and prepared people. And people often think others are idiots if they don't understand it. Many will say this person was stupid for not listening to the experts advice, yet for example will happily break rules like speed limits that is made up by other experts, as "it is ok for me/ I have track experience/ experts don't know what they're talking about" etc.
NRS said:
I got it a bit wrong - it's recommended down to -10c, and regarded as healthier. It's pretty common to see the pram with the kid left outside the window of a cafe while the parents are inside too.
Still sounds pretty hardcore to me! Plus would never dream of leaving my daughter unattended on the street in minus ten Celsius Sway said:
Zirconia said:
He has another chance this weekend. Could be some bigger waves coming in as well.
Is it tracking more to the south than Ciara? If so, there'll be some stunning surf across the south coast, west coast France, Portugal, etc.
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