This a*se should be arrested
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Andy20vt said:
eharding said:
That he, absolutely, put others lives at risk is inexcusable.
He didn't put other's lives at risk - the RNLI chose to perform a search for him that was well withing their capability.The crew said themselves about the incident that "it's what they do". I dare say they probably relished the opportunity to put all of their training into practice. Didn't sound like any big deal to them but somehow it is a big deal to someone who wasn't involved, sat on a sofa and typing on here!
Today wasn't a day that anyone with any degree of judgement would have gone out onto the water.
Your idiot mate did, and that meant the RNLI felt they had to, to save his life. If you can't see the difference, then you're as much an as idiot as he is.
Digby said:
How about if the boat was needed elsewhere, for something rather less stupid?
Purely hypothetical, but should the boat be more needed elsewhere then they could have easily diverted. In fact it would possibly have been quicker as they'd have already been launched, crewed up and in the sea.eharding said:
Andy20vt said:
eharding said:
That he, absolutely, put others lives at risk is inexcusable.
He didn't put other's lives at risk - the RNLI chose to perform a search for him that was well withing their capability.The crew said themselves about the incident that "it's what they do". I dare say they probably relished the opportunity to put all of their training into practice. Didn't sound like any big deal to them but somehow it is a big deal to someone who wasn't involved, sat on a sofa and typing on here!
Today wasn't a day that anyone with any degree of judgement would have gone out onto the water.
Your idiot mate did, and that meant the RNLI felt they had to, to save his life. If you can't see the difference, then you're as much an as idiot as he is.
If you think it was unreasonable for this person to have gone surfing today then what conditions would you believe that reasonable limits should be set at?
Edited by anonymous-user on Monday 10th February 00:30
Andy20vt said:
Purely hypothetical, but should the boat be more needed elsewhere then they could have easily diverted. In fact it would possibly have been quicker as they'd have already been launched, crewed up and in the sea.
They could have been miles away in the opposite direction and in seas such as those, progress would be slow.Andy20vt said:
If you think it was unreasonable for this person to have gone surfing today then what conditions would you believe the limits should be set at?
The RNLI had already issued the advice to "stay clear of exposed areas and breaking waves" during the storm.You have to be a special kind of idiot to make a bee-line for exposed areas and breaking waves in those conditions.
Surfing in big storms is a bit like extreme mountaineering. If I tried to climb K2, it would be suicidal and utterly irresponsible because I'd be woefully unprepared. But a serious mountaineer can take on that challenge with a vastly higher chance of success. Same goes for surfing. So if this guy was experienced, fit and suitably equipped, then saying "it was just completely irresponsible" is probably rather simplistic. If he rode out into the swell on an inflatable seahorse, wearing Speedos, then yes, very irresponsible.
Also the argument that "it must have been irresponsible because something went wrong" clearly doesn't work.
Also the argument that "it must have been irresponsible because something went wrong" clearly doesn't work.
Andy20vt said:
eharding said:
But the very near capsize of the boat on the way to find this idiot doesn't seem to have been within a comfortable capability.
Are you aware that most RNLI lifeboats including this one are designed to capsize without problem and then to automatically self right again? It's operating in conditions well within it's capability there.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4dx3l7vnskE
ATG said:
Surfing in big storms is a bit like extreme mountaineering. If I tried to climb K2, it would be suicidal and utterly irresponsible because I'd be woefully unprepared. But a serious mountaineer can take on that challenge with a vastly higher chance of success. Same goes for surfing. So if this guy was experienced, fit and suitably equipped, then saying "it was just completely irresponsible" is probably rather simplistic. If he rode out into the swell on an inflatable seahorse, wearing Speedos, then yes, very irresponsible.
Also the argument that "it must have been irresponsible because something went wrong" clearly doesn't work.
I agree, I can’t really surf so I have no business going out today. However the chap in question might well be suitably experienced/skilled and equipped to go out. If he’s in that bracket then the RNLI advice doesn’t really apply; that’s aimed more at the general public not the small percentage of experts Also the argument that "it must have been irresponsible because something went wrong" clearly doesn't work.
eharding said:
Andy20vt said:
If you think it was unreasonable for this person to have gone surfing today then what conditions would you believe the limits should be set at?
The RNLI had already issued the advice to "stay clear of exposed areas and breaking waves" during the storm.You have to be a special kind of idiot to make a bee-line for exposed areas and breaking waves in those conditions.
ATG said:
Surfing in big storms is a bit like extreme mountaineering..
No it isn't, at least not in this case.If you die in the high mountains, and you will have understood this long before getting there - your body will stay where you die, and in the process of dying you won't expect anyone else to come and rescue you. That is part of the pact, and you accept that.
In this case, there seems to be - from the apologist at least - some sense of entitlement that regardless of the conditions, you can act as you please and if that entails the launch of a rescue craft, then so be it.
Huge difference.
Chainsaw Rebuild said:
If he’s in that bracket then the RNLI advice doesn’t really apply; that’s aimed more at the general public not the small percentage of experts
Give your head a wobble.The RNLI advice doesn't apply, because he's an expert......but he's such an incompetent expert, the RNLI have to launch anyway?
Andy20vt said:
Not necessarily, the guy could have been fairly experienced in those conditions, a good surfer and and more than happy to accept the risks. Something just went wrong on this occasion.
Please, do stroll on....when was the last time we had these sort of conditions around UK coasts that he could have been "fairly experienced" in?eharding said:
No it isn't, at least not in this case.
If you die in the high mountains, and you will have understood this long before getting there - your body will stay where you die, and in the process of dying you won't expect anyone else to come and rescue you. That is part of the pact, and you accept that.
This surfer didn't appear to have expected anyone to rescue him. That's why he seems to have self rescued, swimming or drifting 5 miles down the coast to reach a safer place to get to get to shore.If you die in the high mountains, and you will have understood this long before getting there - your body will stay where you die, and in the process of dying you won't expect anyone else to come and rescue you. That is part of the pact, and you accept that.
The lifeboat chose to go and look for him - that was completely their choice, and an admirable one at that.
Andy20vt said:
Ridgemont said:
The RLNI has lost many volunteers who put themselves in harms way.
Sadly it has but those are the risks they knowingly sign up for and also why it tales a brave, selfless and special kind of person to volunteer as lifeboat crew.Edited by Andy20vt on Monday 10th February 00:16
The RSPCA doesn’t exist to ensure that abuse of animals can be mitigated. It’s the unfortunate side effect of the complete idiocy/malignancy of some animal owners. Volunteers feel motivated by the urge to prevent death and suffering, not to facilitate the outcomes of inhumanity to animals.
Likewise the RNLI is not there to be an assist when someone decides to do a little extreme sport. It’s there to save lives at the risk of their own life.
If you want to get a extreme sport support service eff off and pay for it.
eharding said:
Please, do stroll on....when was the last time we had these sort of conditions around UK coasts that he could have been "fairly experienced" in?
Fairly regularly throughout the winter. Although messy, those waves were small fry compared to the kind of stuff that regularly gets surfed.Andy20vt said:
eharding said:
Please, do stroll on....when was the last time we had these sort of conditions around UK coasts that he could have been "fairly experienced" in?
Fairly regularly throughout the winter. Although messy, those waves were small fry compared to the kind of stuff that regularly gets surfed.Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff