Cabinet reshuffle Feb 2020
Discussion
markyb_lcy said:
Lotobear said:
...This and other similar comments are a pretty good sign that Boris has likely pulled a blinder
How so?His job as PM is to do the best by the country as a whole, not wind up those who didn't vote for him in an election he won with a huge majority.
He'll be held accountable at the next election, observers wanting to stick an oar in will not. More likely, they are false friends wanting to stick a spanner in the works, as such they can expect to be ignored.
Cabinet responsibility has implications.
Being wound up is voluntary. Controlling bowels and emotions, both matter.
turbobloke said:
His job as PM is to run the country as he sees fit, touchy feely re-interpretations are meaningless emoting.
My point was that he is representing and working for the whole country as PM, not just those who voted for him. What exactly is "touchy-feely" about that?It's not a 4 year dictatorship, as much as it would appear you'd prefer if it was.
Edited by markyb_lcy on Thursday 13th February 17:02
Peter911 said:
I think that it's refeshing that discipline is being restored, and it's not all leaks and opinion poll politics.
HS2 starts getting leaked before the announcement and hey presto, they're all binned.
Should make the rest fall back into line.
Boris should sack himself then, as he let the cat out of the bag to some kids news program on Sky.HS2 starts getting leaked before the announcement and hey presto, they're all binned.
Should make the rest fall back into line.
markyb_lcy said:
turbobloke said:
His job as PM is to run the country as he sees fit, touchy feely re-interpretations are meaningless emoting.
My point was that he is representing and working for the whole country as PM, not just those who voted for him. What exactly is "touchy-feely" about that?The idea of reshuffle decisions relating to 'the whole country' is weird. Does the whole country expect to have a say in who the PM wants in his cabinet? Dream on.
Policy decisions and implementation effectiveness, that's the crux of it and as such needs to reflect what Boris sees as best for the country as a whole; he will be held accountable for his decisions.
Others are free to comment, particularly those who didn't vote Conservative and want to excuse taking a pop in order to feel better. That's a general comment. They can always vote for another Party/PM next time, and chances are they'll lose again.
Stay in Bed Instead said:
Peter911 said:
I think that it's refeshing that discipline is being restored, and it's not all leaks and opinion poll politics.
HS2 starts getting leaked before the announcement and hey presto, they're all binned.
Should make the rest fall back into line.
Boris should sack himself then, as he let the cat out of the bag to some kids news program on Sky.HS2 starts getting leaked before the announcement and hey presto, they're all binned.
Should make the rest fall back into line.
turbobloke said:
markyb_lcy said:
turbobloke said:
His job as PM is to run the country as he sees fit, touchy feely re-interpretations are meaningless emoting.
My point was that he is representing and working for the whole country as PM, not just those who voted for him. What exactly is "touchy-feely" about that?The idea of reshuffle decisions relating to 'the whole country' is weird. Does the whole country expect to have a say in who the PM wants in his cabinet? Dream on.
Policy decisions and implementation effectiveness, that's the crux of it and as such needs to reflect what Boris sees as best for the country as a whole; he will be held accountable his decisions.
Others are free to comment, particularly those who didn't vote Conservative and want to excuse taking a pop in order to feel better. That's a general comment. They can always vote for another Party/PM next time, and chances are they'll lose again.
I'm sure all this Brexit business was because we didn't want to be ruled by unelected officials.
turbobloke said:
Others are free to comment, particularly those who didn't vote Conservative and want to excuse taking a pop in order to feel better. That's a general comment. They can always vote for another Party/PM next time, and chances are they'll lose again.
At least put your crystal ball to better use and tell us the Cheltenham winners this year then? 
turbobloke said:
The PM is in charge, it's not a hippy commune run by everyone.
The idea of reshuffle decisions relating to 'the whole country' is weird. Does the whole country expect to have a say in who the PM wants in his cabinet? Dream on.
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and why would the "whole country" prefer Sajid to Rishi Sunak?The idea of reshuffle decisions relating to 'the whole country' is weird. Does the whole country expect to have a say in who the PM wants in his cabinet? Dream on.
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Puzzled on that point. Does Sajid have some passionate fan base in the country I was unaware of?.
JagLover said:
turbobloke said:
The PM is in charge, it's not a hippy commune run by everyone.
The idea of reshuffle decisions relating to 'the whole country' is weird. Does the whole country expect to have a say in who the PM wants in his cabinet? Dream on.
and why would the "whole country" prefer Sajid to Rishi Sunak?The idea of reshuffle decisions relating to 'the whole country' is weird. Does the whole country expect to have a say in who the PM wants in his cabinet? Dream on.
Puzzled on that point. Does Sajid have some passionate fan base in the country I was unaware of?.
Those who weren't/aren't keen on Boris as PM, or a Conservative government regardless of PM, may invent all manner of reasons to take a pop as time goes by.
Often the basis is transparently bogus, as here.
Tom Jones said:
It's not unusual
Good-oh, blood on the carpet for non-com SpAds, good on Sajid, a man of principle who obviously didn't like what was coming and decided to maintain his ego rather than roll his sleeves up. As for the rest - I don't know if anyone has noticed this - Cabinet Ministers all know nothing about their particular position and are guided by general political policy, Sir Humphrey Appleby and career expediency and so are infinitely interchangeable, just like hats. Expect much flouncing in the months to come in the Civil Service as their elbows are knocked by the incoming 21st century and more claret spills on the carpet.
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And as for all the 'unelected bureaucrats' honking, get off Twitter for sound-bites that don't hold water, we've always had 'unelected bureaucrats' as both advisors and Civil Service minions, the crucial difference between them and Brussels being 1. they don't form part of an extra-constitutional government with formal powers over the country and 2. they aren't Johnny foreigners, dash it all.
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Seriously though, we do need to make some pretty radical changes if we are indeed to take advantage of our new found position as a fully independent nation, I don't think trucking along with the same old same old will cut the mustard, or 'unleash the potential' as some wag once put it.
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And as for all the 'unelected bureaucrats' honking, get off Twitter for sound-bites that don't hold water, we've always had 'unelected bureaucrats' as both advisors and Civil Service minions, the crucial difference between them and Brussels being 1. they don't form part of an extra-constitutional government with formal powers over the country and 2. they aren't Johnny foreigners, dash it all.
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Seriously though, we do need to make some pretty radical changes if we are indeed to take advantage of our new found position as a fully independent nation, I don't think trucking along with the same old same old will cut the mustard, or 'unleash the potential' as some wag once put it.
andy_s said:
Good-oh, blood on the carpet for non-com SpAds, good on Sajid, a man of principle who obviously didn't like what was coming and decided to maintain his ego rather than roll his sleeves up. As for the rest - I don't know if anyone has noticed this - Cabinet Ministers all know nothing about their particular position and are guided by general political policy, Sir Humphrey Appleby and career expediency and so are infinitely interchangeable, just like hats. Expect much flouncing in the months to come in the Civil Service as their elbows are knocked by the incoming 21st century and more claret spills on the carpet.
---
And as for all the 'unelected bureaucrats' honking, get off Twitter for sound-bites that don't hold water, we've always had 'unelected bureaucrats' as both advisors and Civil Service minions, the crucial difference between them and Brussels being 1. they don't form part of an extra-constitutional government with formal powers over the country and 2. they aren't Johnny foreigners, dash it all.
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Seriously though, we do need to make some pretty radical changes if we are indeed to take advantage of our new found position as a fully independent nation, I don't think trucking along with the same old same old will cut the mustard, or 'unleash the potential' as some wag once put it.
Says it all really. ---
And as for all the 'unelected bureaucrats' honking, get off Twitter for sound-bites that don't hold water, we've always had 'unelected bureaucrats' as both advisors and Civil Service minions, the crucial difference between them and Brussels being 1. they don't form part of an extra-constitutional government with formal powers over the country and 2. they aren't Johnny foreigners, dash it all.
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Seriously though, we do need to make some pretty radical changes if we are indeed to take advantage of our new found position as a fully independent nation, I don't think trucking along with the same old same old will cut the mustard, or 'unleash the potential' as some wag once put it.
JagLover said:
and why would the "whole country" prefer Sajid to Rishi Sunak?
Puzzled on that point. Does Sajid have some passionate fan base in the country I was unaware of?.
Possibly, who knows what you miss or what puzzles you...WhatPuzzled on that point. Does Sajid have some passionate fan base in the country I was unaware of?.
we do know is Sajid is a politcian of Intergrity & has stuck to his principles, very rare indeed...in ANY party!
Is that puzzling to you JAAAgboy?
TwigtheWonderkid said:
That's a very nice way of saying surround yourself with sycophants.
How many leaders (not just of countries, but leaders in general) surround themselves with people who will actively work against them when they don't have to? I would guess (and I admit this is guess) none!If Boris surrounds himself with "his" people (call them sycophants if you like), then he is even more responsible for whether his premiership is a success or failure.
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