Why do cyclists try to undertake left turning trucks ?

[anonymous-user]

Who says cyclists lack any sense of self preservation... I think I probably would have slowed down a little rather than underline my 'right of way' with an imprint of my face on the tarmac.

[Rawwr]

Ah, classic turndicating.

[Rawwr]

Schmed said:

Who says cyclists lack any sense of self preservation... I think I probably would have slowed down a little rather than underline my 'right of way' with an imprint of my face on the tarmac.

Why are you the way you are?

[treeroy]

OP is either blind or very dumb. How on earth can you blame cyclist. He is just going normally in his lane. Van driver was not paying attention and did not bother to check mirrors before turning.

Van driver knew he was about to turn so should have slowed and waited for the traffic on his left to pass rather than cutting over and causing an accident.

No different really from someone cutting across the inside of a roundabout and colliding with the outer lane car.

The driver overtook the cyclist about 3 seconds before the crash so driver clearly just not paying attention.

Court gave the driver 6 points for this so evidently the cyclist is NOT at fault.

Edited by treeroy on Thursday 13th February 16:01

[Dont like rolls]

Yep, VAN drivers fault all day long. Shockingly poor spacial awarenesses, I bet he turned quick on a late Sat Nav instruction.

[Harpoon]

Even longer video here:

https://road.cc/content/news/271023-dramatic-foota...

At 0:01 cycling filming comes past Tesco van and joins cyclists waiting in the cycle area
At 0:43 cyclist leaves traffic lights
At 0:58 Tesco van is about level with the rear of the cyclist
At 1:02 Tesco van is about level with the front of the cyclist
At 1:04 an indicator comes on
At 1:05 the van is turning

So much for mirror, signal, manoeuvre...

[okgo]

Dont like rolls said:

Yep, VAN drivers fault all day long. Shockingly poor spacial awarenesses, I bet he turned quick on a late Sat Nav instruction.

It was 100% this.

[KillerHERTZ]

Mods: Please can you change the thread title to:

Why do Delivery Drivers try to overtake cyclists and Turn left without looking?

[TyrannosauRoss Lex]

Whoever thinks that is the fault of the cyclist (as the OP implies) is an absolute tt and shouldn't be driving. End of.

[Graveworm]

The cyclist wasn't overtaking, passing or filtering. They did hardly anything wrong and the Tesco lorry driver was entirely to blame, having passed and then cut across. It's possible to say the cyclist could have anticipated, what might have happened but it in no way shifts the blame.

[RobM77]

cicada273 said:

Excuse the Mail link: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7999459/T...

Poor fellow !

The cyclist wasn't undertaking a left turning truck. That cyclist was in a dedicated bike lane and it's quite normal to pass vehicles in such a lane - when the cyclist initiated the pass, the van wasn't indicating, wasn't slowing and was showing no other signs of turning. Shoving on your indicator half a second before you brake and turn is not indicating, it's dangerous driving.

The correct defensive approach for the cyclist would be to not pass any vehicle by any junction, but obviously that can get quite onerous in London when there are junctions every 5 seconds. I do this, but I admit it takes me much longer to get anywhere in a busy town and it can get quite tedious.

So in summary: legally, the van driver is 100% at fault and will probably lose his license for dangerous driving. However, as with most accidents, the cyclist could have been more aware and prevented the incident.

[Your Dad]

RobM77 said:

So in summary: legally, the van driver is 100% at fault and will probably lose his license for dangerous driving.

Driver received a £300 fine, plus £332 in costs and six points for ‘failing to nominate driver'.

RobM77 said:

However, as with most accidents, the cyclist could have been more aware and prevented the incident.

Please explain how the cyclist could have done this.

[Shakermaker]

RobM77 said:

The cyclist wasn't undertaking a left turning truck. That cyclist was in a dedicated bike lane and it's quite normal to pass vehicles in such a lane - when the cyclist initiated the pass, the van wasn't indicating, wasn't slowing and was showing no other signs of turning. Shoving on your indicator half a second before you brake and turn is not indicating, it's dangerous driving.

The correct defensive approach for the cyclist would be to not pass any vehicle by any junction, but obviously that can get quite onerous in London when there are junctions every 5 seconds. I do this, but I admit it takes me much longer to get anywhere in a busy town and it can get quite tedious.

So in summary: legally, the van driver is 100% at fault and will probably lose his license for dangerous driving. However, as with most accidents, the cyclist could have been more aware and prevented the incident.

The cyclist didn't initiate the pass though

[Your Dad]

Here's a link to the full original video for those who still think the cyclist was to blame/could have avoided this incident etc. instead of watching the click-baity weighted DM version.

https://youtu.be/cwESJvi1qvk

1m3s the van starts to indicate
1m5s the van has already started to turn in on the cyclist

[u33db]

Its the vans fault for sure.

However the cyclist is fairly motoring along and doesn't show any signs of slowing/erring on the side of caution...not that he should have to, but if he had have spared himself bouncing off the side a lorry and only been a few seconds slower to where ever hes going.

As i said not his fault but best to read the road a bit!

[Dont like rolls]

Your Dad said:

RobM77 said:

So in summary: legally, the van driver is 100% at fault and will probably lose his license for dangerous driving.

Driver received a £300 fine, plus £332 in costs and six points for ‘failing to nominate driver'.

RobM77 said:

However, as with most accidents, the cyclist could have been more aware and prevented the incident.

Please explain how the cyclist could have done this.

I also would love to know.

RobM, if as you say you have a V8.MGB race car and one might think you have a ticket, WHY would you think this ?

[S100HP]

How anyone can blame the cyclist is beyond me. Unfortunately, quite a few people, both here and in the mail comments section seem to be willing to. Unreal.

[Your Dad]

u33db said:

doesn't show any signs of slowing/erring on the side of caution...not that he should have to, but if he had have spared himself bouncing off the side a lorry and only been a few seconds slower to where ever hes going.

As i said not his fault but best to read the road a bit!

I'll remember that advice when I drive home tonight, whenever another vehicle passes me on the motorway I'll ensure I slow down in case they want to cut me up.

[nickfrog]

Your Dad said:

Please explain how the cyclist could have done this.

There really is nothing the cyclist could have done, how was he supposed to guess the van was going to turn in on him?

[markyb_lcy]

S100HP said:

quite a few people, both here and in the mail comments section seem to be willing to. Unreal.

Just the OP, here.