Caroline Flack
Discussion
Pesty said:
Yes that’s exactly the same, I’m sure.
Nothing to do with loss of career through her own actions, or criminal convictions or regret or remorse or mental issues.
Papers just the papers they held a gun to her head, she is absolved of all responsibility. We should never ever report domestic abuse again lest we force somebody to commit suicide.
She was charged but as yet not convicted. You being under this illusion is a perfect illustration of how the media, indirectly, have added to the problem.Nothing to do with loss of career through her own actions, or criminal convictions or regret or remorse or mental issues.
Papers just the papers they held a gun to her head, she is absolved of all responsibility. We should never ever report domestic abuse again lest we force somebody to commit suicide.
Nobody is suggesting charges and convictions should not be pursued against domestic violence perpetrators or that the media shouldn’t report on it.
Clearly as you’re an absolutist, reasoning with you is going to be a waste of time.
Challo said:
FN2TypeR said:
The Sun newspaper all over her like a rash in the lead up to her death, I see
Absolutely disgraceful publication
It appears they are now deleting those very same articles. Absolutely disgraceful publication
markyb_lcy said:
She was charged but as yet not convicted. You being under this illusion is a perfect illustration of how the media, indirectly, have added to the problem.
Nobody is suggesting charges and convictions should not be pursued against domestic violence perpetrators or that the media shouldn’t report on it.
Clearly as you’re an absolutist, reasoning with you is going to be a waste of time.
I’m suggesting their were possibly other reasons rather than a knee jerk papers papers papers ( not that I’m a fan of the papers like they are trying to destroy that guy from emerdale as we type) Nobody is suggesting charges and convictions should not be pursued against domestic violence perpetrators or that the media shouldn’t report on it.
Clearly as you’re an absolutist, reasoning with you is going to be a waste of time.
Apparently that makes me an Absolutist and everybody else is flexible well ok. That’s fine I can live with that.
If I have one objection it’s absolving the person from any responsibility by shifting it to the papers. I’m not even a fan of the media.
She was having a tough time, I sympathise. But it was her actions and her actions alone have caused a lot of pain.
Jesus I don't think anyone is absolving her of her past proven or unproven indiscretions, you simply can't help but notice that someone who has committed suicide was more than likely going through a mental health crisis.
There was undoubtably many reasons for that and no doubt a lot was down to choices she made herself but the great british press can't claim itself not guilty of this one.
There was undoubtably many reasons for that and no doubt a lot was down to choices she made herself but the great british press can't claim itself not guilty of this one.
p4cks said:
I've said it before and I'll say it again... Twitter is a cancer and the sooner it doesn't exist, the better.
Are books a cancer, or TV, or the internet in general. Twitter is a social media and information delivery platform. Like any information delivery platform, it has potential to be used for good or ill. On TV, you can watch fabulous documentaries, or Love Island. You can read great literature, or total trash. I love Twitter. I use it to follow people and organisations I'm interested in, and to get breaking news from people on the scene, before mainstream news gets hold of it. I've had conversations with a few celebs and other important people I admire, when I never could have spoken to them otherwise. I've got backstage access to a favourite band, and met them, and obtained a £300 refund by complaining on Twitter when before I did that, they wouldn't give me the steam off their tea. Not my idea of a cancer.
As for the tabloid media being to blame, the media in any country is a reflection of the people it serves. The wouldn't print the stuff they do if there wasn't a lucrative market for it.
Pesty said:
markyb_lcy said:
She was charged but as yet not convicted. You being under this illusion is a perfect illustration of how the media, indirectly, have added to the problem.
Nobody is suggesting charges and convictions should not be pursued against domestic violence perpetrators or that the media shouldn’t report on it.
Clearly as you’re an absolutist, reasoning with you is going to be a waste of time.
I’m suggesting their were possibly other reasons rather than a knee jerk papers papers papers ( not that I’m a fan of the papers like they are trying to destroy that guy from emerdale as we type) Nobody is suggesting charges and convictions should not be pursued against domestic violence perpetrators or that the media shouldn’t report on it.
Clearly as you’re an absolutist, reasoning with you is going to be a waste of time.
Apparently that makes me an Absolutist and everybody else is flexible well ok. That’s fine I can live with that.
If I have one objection it’s absolving the person from any responsibility by shifting it to the papers. I’m not even a fan of the media.
She was having a tough time, I sympathise. But it was her actions and her actions alone have caused a lot of pain.
It was your (tongue in cheek) comment about papers not reporting on domestic violence in future to avoid risking a suicide which led me to calling you an absolutist. I can tell from the response above that you’re actually not.
I personally am not saying the press caused this, but I would agree with others they often don’t help, and in this situation, it seems pretty apparent.
I think the behaviour of newspapers is disgusting at times, and sadly this is certainly no isolated incident. Milly dowler, anyone?
Pesty said:
TPSA7514 said:
I'm confused by this post. It's non of my business. I hope that you don't mean your friend did something that caused the closure of the motorway by doing something harmful. If so I'm sorry
I’ve not written it very well. Yes he jumped in front of a truck and killed himself.His children suffered the most. The whole family suffered greatly and still are suffering. There have been and still are issues many years later. Lives taken different turns that they probably wouldn’t have.
Algarve said:
If she was an ugly bloke rather than a good looking female, Pistonheads would be celebrating them topping themselves.
Shall I go dig out the Sambaman thread if anyones doubting that?
Ah Mr Can't say no to me ?Shall I go dig out the Sambaman thread if anyones doubting that?
The delightful chap whose predatory nature was only just touched upon
Sadly I was on the receiving end of similar. Try being a 22 year old lad with a 38 year old woman who liked throwing full wine bottles at your head and cutting you with bread knives etc. Back in 2002 before everyone became "woke".
The police needed proper proof back then but when the victim says the bottle was an accident and the cuts were picking up the glass etc.
Victims protect the abuser. The police in this case seem to have witness evidence and body cam stuff etc. The police have taken it out of the hands of the victim.
It seems CF knew she was going to do some bird and didn't want to do the time, career and life in tatters.
It's a terrible and sad outcome. Absolutely tragic. I would agree if the genders were reversed we would think differently.
The police needed proper proof back then but when the victim says the bottle was an accident and the cuts were picking up the glass etc.
Victims protect the abuser. The police in this case seem to have witness evidence and body cam stuff etc. The police have taken it out of the hands of the victim.
It seems CF knew she was going to do some bird and didn't want to do the time, career and life in tatters.
It's a terrible and sad outcome. Absolutely tragic. I would agree if the genders were reversed we would think differently.
Budflicker said:
scottydoesntknow said:
Reverse the sexes. Brutal wife beater tops himself before GBH charge. Sympathy level changed?
And that is a very pertinent point.What if he smashed her in the head with a lamp?
Then topped himself?
Shame she felt suicide was the only option though.
Pity the tosser celebs outpouring their grief on Twitter tonight weren't Round her flat checking she was ok.
Sten. said:
redrabbit said:
In other news: important stuff.
Classy.I'm going to be a tw@t and say that if it was someone with talent it might merit 2nd or 3rd place in the headlines. This is otherwise just a reflection of the vapid times we live in.
Whevs.
Agila b 6yr 6k said:
Sadly I was on the receiving end of similar. Try being a 22 year old lad with a 38 year old woman who liked throwing full wine bottles at your head and cutting you with bread knives etc. Back in 2002 before everyone became "woke".
The police needed proper proof back then but when the victim says the bottle was an accident and the cuts were picking up the glass etc.
Victims protect the abuser. The police in this case seem to have witness evidence and body cam stuff etc. The police have taken it out of the hands of the victim.
It seems CF knew she was going to do some bird and didn't want to do the time, career and life in tatters.
It's a terrible and sad outcome. Absolutely tragic. I would agree if the genders were reversed we would think differently.
Yup. I have been there too, fThe police needed proper proof back then but when the victim says the bottle was an accident and the cuts were picking up the glass etc.
Victims protect the abuser. The police in this case seem to have witness evidence and body cam stuff etc. The police have taken it out of the hands of the victim.
It seems CF knew she was going to do some bird and didn't want to do the time, career and life in tatters.
It's a terrible and sad outcome. Absolutely tragic. I would agree if the genders were reversed we would think differently.
king horrible. I too have physical and mental scars.
Do I have any sympathy for her ??
Do I f
k.As someone whose brother has suffered serious domestic abuse at the hands of his (now-estranged) wife and mother of their children, it’s very clear mental well-being plays a huge role. She’s clearly unwell but I have recently wondered if she will also top herself.
Sad stuff that anyone reaches that point and being in the media spotlight can surely only intensify ones demons.
Sad stuff that anyone reaches that point and being in the media spotlight can surely only intensify ones demons.
The trouble is many people steadfastly believe everything they read in the tabloids, particularly the younger generation. Those of us who are more worldly wise know that the likes of the Sun print complete bull$h1t just to make an interesting story, creating a frenzy on social media, its like the modern day version of the Roman amphitheatre. Journalists that work for these papers are on the same level as most politicians and lawyers IMO. Sadly many people are so bitter about their own lives they lap this kind of thing up, watching someone with a successful career falling apart, it makes them feel a little bit better about their own lives.
She knew most of her target audience would believe what the tabloids were printing, she could see her career and personal life getting systematically destroyed, this was her way out. She isnt the first and wont be the last who take this way out, look at what our great British press did to Harry and Meghan, they had to escape before their marriage was tested too much.
She knew most of her target audience would believe what the tabloids were printing, she could see her career and personal life getting systematically destroyed, this was her way out. She isnt the first and wont be the last who take this way out, look at what our great British press did to Harry and Meghan, they had to escape before their marriage was tested too much.
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