Caroline Flack
Discussion
North West Tom said:
turbobloke said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
North West Tom said:
However, if someone (tabloids) said bad things about you to literally millions of people - that might affect you seriously. For them to continually hound you in the street with bright camera flashes, wait outside your house knowing full well they want to take your picture to plaster all over the nation's media humiliating you. Yeah that's significantly worse than a few mean tweets.
If someone in the public eye is accused of a serious assault, then the press surely have a right, and indeed a duty, to report that. Being in the public eye is a double edged sword. I doubt she would have objected to the media frenzy that might surround one of her shows winning an award, or any other positive thing that might have happened in the past. 
That said, being arrested and charged isn't speculative!
R Mutt said:
Being on Love Island is a job? The presenter aside it's the issue with the cult of celebrity, nobodies thrust in to the limelight completely mentally unprepared for facing any negative press or public sentiment, and teenagers influenced by these non-entities. It's not like a disgraced backbencher for example who, while possibly only in he public eye as a result of scandal, is still an MP.
The crew behind the camera will find new jobs.
If they're being paid to be there, its a job yes. But I was more thinking of everyone else behind the scenes.The crew behind the camera will find new jobs.
Yes they could go look for another job, but they're presumably happy doing the one they're doing now.
TPSA7514 said:
Oakey said:
I agree with this. I know someone who has a sister so desperate for fame (which her mother has been complicit in) that she's been on one of these terrible reality TV shows and was recently in a tabloid with some nonsense story about how her boyfriend has to spend £2500 on her for valentine's day. Imagine being so fame hungry that you think this is something the world would care about.
AAAAAAHHH You have had dealings with dear Diane yourself then ?
She made a mistake in crossing my wife a couple of years ago.
Flumpo said:
Do things still easily ‘leek’ out of the police and potentially the cps?
There is obviously footage of the arrest and if those involved start feeling pressure is it possible this could come out?
Anything is possible.There is obviously footage of the arrest and if those involved start feeling pressure is it possible this could come out?
Some of the CPS prosecutors that I know are complete vegetables. But it's highly unlikely that you will see any leeks.
They shouldn't be feeling under any pressure. They've done nowt wrong.
V8covin said:
Algarve said:
Why should a bunch of other people lose their job because of her?
She assaulted her boyfriend in London, not at work. The link between her death and the show is tenuous at best.
3She assaulted her boyfriend in London, not at work. The link between her death and the show is tenuous at best.
Three
THREE
Is that clear enough for you
Ah a supporter of the “innocent” J Saville amongst us. Innocent until proven guilty eh
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Thank god that in every crown court the jury are always told by the Judge that 'the accused is innocent until proven guilty' and jury memebers 'you must be satisfied beyond a reasonable doubt of the guilt of the accused'. 'If there is reasonable doubt you must find the accused not guilty'.
God only knows the who is sitting on these juries now and the crazy views they may hold. Phew!
FunkyNige said:
There's often a spate of copycat suicides following a celebrity suicide with people wanting to go the same way so the method is deliberately kept out of the articles.
The Samaritans have some guidelines on it
https://www.samaritans.org/about-samaritans/media-...
And if you put 'celebrity suicide method not released' into Google you'll get a bunch of papers/articles about it.
The Samaritans have some guidelines on it
https://www.samaritans.org/about-samaritans/media-...
And if you put 'celebrity suicide method not released' into Google you'll get a bunch of papers/articles about it.
PurpleTurtle said:
Very much in agreement here.
It's tragic that she's killed herself, but I take one look at her Instagram account and all it screams is "LOOK AT MY AMAZINGLY GLAMOROUS LIFE!"
In every photo she is on a red carpet, at some premiere, on an amazing holiday, doing the "you've-caught me-laughing-as-if -this-is-au-naturel-but-in-reality-we-took-twenty-versions-of-it-to-get-my-best-angle".
It's all so FAKE. She was front woman of a programme that exists purely to make shallow, vacuous people famous. It promotes the cult of celebrity - young girls wanting to be 'a celebrity' as a career ambition, which has become a thing since the whole advent of 'reality' TV. It totally boils my piss. We live in a society where young people - girls especially - are suffering all sorts of mental health challenges, anxiety, eating disorders, all driven by this idea of what is acceptable, all driven by social media, with people like Caroline Flack front and centre of it. Did she really care about the place she was playing in that whole stupid game? I don't think she did.
I've seen all manner of hand-wringers on my Facebook posting if you can be anything in this world, be kind memes attributed to Ms Flack, which is all a very nice sentiment and all that, but I'm also sat there going "whoa .... how about not basing your entire existence on something so false, and smacking your sleeping boyfriend round the head with a lamp so much that he's had to all the Police allegedly in fear of his life.
Lots of shouts of 'her management/ITV should have protected her'. Really? She was a grown woman of 40 years of age, how about she showed some personal responsibility.
Did she smack the boyfriend about? Seems certain.
Should she have been prosecuted? Yes.
Would it have been the end of the world if found guilty? No.
People do far, far worse things in their lives and get on with them. She would have lost the Love Island gig as obviously a convicted perp of DV as a host isn't great for advertisers, but so what? She could have styled it out. Lay low for a while, reinvent yourself, as many badly-behaved celebrities have done in the past.
Everyone jumping on the bandwagon of bashing the media for hounding her over this really needs to remember that she was a keen and active player in the whole charade.
For balance: I lived with a girlfriend with mental health issues like this for 3 years. Despite her privileged upbringing and outwardly 'nice' life she was constantly jealous of other people, thinking everyone's life was better. It is unremittingly tiring to put up with. I stood by her through a lot of trying times, but the day she jogged on out of my life was a relief for my mental health. I've heard all the BS round this before and bored of it. If you feel the need to go through a boyfirend's phone whilst he is sleeping then he's probably not the bloke for you. Binbag him and find someone else, don't assault him so that you end up in court. Simple, eh?
It's tragic that she's killed herself, but I take one look at her Instagram account and all it screams is "LOOK AT MY AMAZINGLY GLAMOROUS LIFE!"
In every photo she is on a red carpet, at some premiere, on an amazing holiday, doing the "you've-caught me-laughing-as-if -this-is-au-naturel-but-in-reality-we-took-twenty-versions-of-it-to-get-my-best-angle".
It's all so FAKE. She was front woman of a programme that exists purely to make shallow, vacuous people famous. It promotes the cult of celebrity - young girls wanting to be 'a celebrity' as a career ambition, which has become a thing since the whole advent of 'reality' TV. It totally boils my piss. We live in a society where young people - girls especially - are suffering all sorts of mental health challenges, anxiety, eating disorders, all driven by this idea of what is acceptable, all driven by social media, with people like Caroline Flack front and centre of it. Did she really care about the place she was playing in that whole stupid game? I don't think she did.
I've seen all manner of hand-wringers on my Facebook posting if you can be anything in this world, be kind memes attributed to Ms Flack, which is all a very nice sentiment and all that, but I'm also sat there going "whoa .... how about not basing your entire existence on something so false, and smacking your sleeping boyfriend round the head with a lamp so much that he's had to all the Police allegedly in fear of his life.
Lots of shouts of 'her management/ITV should have protected her'. Really? She was a grown woman of 40 years of age, how about she showed some personal responsibility.
Did she smack the boyfriend about? Seems certain.
Should she have been prosecuted? Yes.
Would it have been the end of the world if found guilty? No.
People do far, far worse things in their lives and get on with them. She would have lost the Love Island gig as obviously a convicted perp of DV as a host isn't great for advertisers, but so what? She could have styled it out. Lay low for a while, reinvent yourself, as many badly-behaved celebrities have done in the past.
Everyone jumping on the bandwagon of bashing the media for hounding her over this really needs to remember that she was a keen and active player in the whole charade.
For balance: I lived with a girlfriend with mental health issues like this for 3 years. Despite her privileged upbringing and outwardly 'nice' life she was constantly jealous of other people, thinking everyone's life was better. It is unremittingly tiring to put up with. I stood by her through a lot of trying times, but the day she jogged on out of my life was a relief for my mental health. I've heard all the BS round this before and bored of it. If you feel the need to go through a boyfirend's phone whilst he is sleeping then he's probably not the bloke for you. Binbag him and find someone else, don't assault him so that you end up in court. Simple, eh?
I can't help but think she did try and have it all ways (and of course note that her mental health would have clouded her decision making process). But surely this is what her lawyers and her friends and family should have been saying to her:
The evidence (which would have been disclosed to her) probably wasn't great but if you didn't want all that aired in public just plead guilty, cross your fingers you don't get any significant porridge and then deal with any fall out afterwards.
It might have taken a bit of time to get back on prime time TV but such was her profile I reckon it wouldn't have taken all that long.
Pleading not guilty, and then hoping the cps fold at the last minute was incredibly risky, and it's a risk she took and lost. That she then felt unable to deal with it is incredibly sad. But she could have pled guilty at any point at going to trial. Her lawyer should have been all over this.
The evidence (which would have been disclosed to her) probably wasn't great but if you didn't want all that aired in public just plead guilty, cross your fingers you don't get any significant porridge and then deal with any fall out afterwards.
It might have taken a bit of time to get back on prime time TV but such was her profile I reckon it wouldn't have taken all that long.
Pleading not guilty, and then hoping the cps fold at the last minute was incredibly risky, and it's a risk she took and lost. That she then felt unable to deal with it is incredibly sad. But she could have pled guilty at any point at going to trial. Her lawyer should have been all over this.
TwigtheWonderkid said:
Supposing the pull Love Island, and 3 teenage girls kill themselves because their favourite show was axed?
Unlikely. There are many other reality shows to take its place. Although I'm proposing banning anything that puts people on TV for the sake of being on TV.R Mutt said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
Supposing the pull Love Island, and 3 teenage girls kill themselves because their favourite show was axed?
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