Caroline Flack
Discussion
TwigtheWonderkid said:
R Mutt said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
Supposing the pull Love Island, and 3 teenage girls kill themselves because their favourite show was axed?
Unlikely. V8covin said:
Algarve said:
Why should a bunch of other people lose their job because of her?
She assaulted her boyfriend in London, not at work. The link between her death and the show is tenuous at best.
3She assaulted her boyfriend in London, not at work. The link between her death and the show is tenuous at best.
Three
THREE
Is that clear enough for you
TwigtheWonderkid said:
R Mutt said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
Supposing the pull Love Island, and 3 teenage girls kill themselves because their favourite show was axed?
Unlikely. I happen to know one of her ex-partners - we spoke at length a few years ago about "surviving abusive relationships", and had a lot in common with our experiences. Men are rarely seen as the victims in DV situations, but both of us knew that if we had even raised our hands in defence, it would be the end for both of us. After speaking to him over the weekend, it came as a shock, but no surprise.
The CPS seem confident they had enough to prosecute without a victim statement, and it wouldn't surprise me if a number of potential witnesses had been approached. He has alluded to the truth in some older social media posts but that may become more apparent in due course - but he is already being staked out by the paps.
It takes a lot of time to rebuild trust in human nature after something like that happens. There's a few people on PH who know what I went through at the time, none of them could believe it, none of them even considered it could be an issue.
How many times have we all questioned why a woman stays with an abusive man? So why should it be any different for a man staying with an abusive woman?
The media are coming under fire for reporting on her whilst she clearly had issues, but then the wider public are still buying the gossip magazines, and clicking on the web articles in their droves - the media are simply catering to a demand. If the wider public think this is wrong, then it is up to them to stop the demand for this sort of "news". The DM website yesterday had 19 separate articles on her alone. And each one had thousands of comments and clearly viewer engagement was high. While that engagement continues, the cycle will not stop.
It's tragic that anyone considers suicide as their only option, but it seems there was a lot more going on in her life than just presenting a few vacuous TV shows and ligging at glamorous red carpet events.
Social media is such a hostile, toxic, venomous and soul destroying place - and to a degree I even include PH in that sweeping statement.
Unrealistic expectations of happiness and success are being based on the false representation of happiness and success by others.
The CPS seem confident they had enough to prosecute without a victim statement, and it wouldn't surprise me if a number of potential witnesses had been approached. He has alluded to the truth in some older social media posts but that may become more apparent in due course - but he is already being staked out by the paps.
It takes a lot of time to rebuild trust in human nature after something like that happens. There's a few people on PH who know what I went through at the time, none of them could believe it, none of them even considered it could be an issue.
How many times have we all questioned why a woman stays with an abusive man? So why should it be any different for a man staying with an abusive woman?
The media are coming under fire for reporting on her whilst she clearly had issues, but then the wider public are still buying the gossip magazines, and clicking on the web articles in their droves - the media are simply catering to a demand. If the wider public think this is wrong, then it is up to them to stop the demand for this sort of "news". The DM website yesterday had 19 separate articles on her alone. And each one had thousands of comments and clearly viewer engagement was high. While that engagement continues, the cycle will not stop.
It's tragic that anyone considers suicide as their only option, but it seems there was a lot more going on in her life than just presenting a few vacuous TV shows and ligging at glamorous red carpet events.
Social media is such a hostile, toxic, venomous and soul destroying place - and to a degree I even include PH in that sweeping statement.
Unrealistic expectations of happiness and success are being based on the false representation of happiness and success by others.
S11Steve said:
I happen to know one of her ex-partners - we spoke at length a few years ago about "surviving abusive relationships", and had a lot in common with our experiences. Men are rarely seen as the victims in DV situations, but both of us knew that if we had even raised our hands in defence, it would be the end for both of us. After speaking to him over the weekend, it came as a shock, but no surprise.
The CPS seem confident they had enough to prosecute without a victim statement, and it wouldn't surprise me if a number of potential witnesses had been approached. He has alluded to the truth in some older social media posts but that may become more apparent in due course - but he is already being staked out by the paps.
It takes a lot of time to rebuild trust in human nature after something like that happens. There's a few people on PH who know what I went through at the time, none of them could believe it, none of them even considered it could be an issue.
How many times have we all questioned why a woman stays with an abusive man? So why should it be any different for a man staying with an abusive woman?
The media are coming under fire for reporting on her whilst she clearly had issues, but then the wider public are still buying the gossip magazines, and clicking on the web articles in their droves - the media are simply catering to a demand. If the wider public think this is wrong, then it is up to them to stop the demand for this sort of "news". The DM website yesterday had 19 separate articles on her alone. And each one had thousands of comments and clearly viewer engagement was high. While that engagement continues, the cycle will not stop.
It's tragic that anyone considers suicide as their only option, but it seems there was a lot more going on in her life than just presenting a few vacuous TV shows and ligging at glamorous red carpet events.
Social media is such a hostile, toxic, venomous and soul destroying place - and to a degree I even include PH in that sweeping statement.
Unrealistic expectations of happiness and success are being based on the false representation of happiness and success by others.
This.The CPS seem confident they had enough to prosecute without a victim statement, and it wouldn't surprise me if a number of potential witnesses had been approached. He has alluded to the truth in some older social media posts but that may become more apparent in due course - but he is already being staked out by the paps.
It takes a lot of time to rebuild trust in human nature after something like that happens. There's a few people on PH who know what I went through at the time, none of them could believe it, none of them even considered it could be an issue.
How many times have we all questioned why a woman stays with an abusive man? So why should it be any different for a man staying with an abusive woman?
The media are coming under fire for reporting on her whilst she clearly had issues, but then the wider public are still buying the gossip magazines, and clicking on the web articles in their droves - the media are simply catering to a demand. If the wider public think this is wrong, then it is up to them to stop the demand for this sort of "news". The DM website yesterday had 19 separate articles on her alone. And each one had thousands of comments and clearly viewer engagement was high. While that engagement continues, the cycle will not stop.
It's tragic that anyone considers suicide as their only option, but it seems there was a lot more going on in her life than just presenting a few vacuous TV shows and ligging at glamorous red carpet events.
Social media is such a hostile, toxic, venomous and soul destroying place - and to a degree I even include PH in that sweeping statement.
Unrealistic expectations of happiness and success are being based on the false representation of happiness and success by others.
Oakey said:
I agree with this. I know someone who has a sister so desperate for fame (which her mother has been complicit in) that she's been on one of these terrible reality TV shows and was recently in a tabloid with some nonsense story about how her boyfriend has to spend £2500 on her for valentine's day. Imagine being so fame hungry that you think this is something the world would care about.
Blackpool.Nuff said.
S11Steve said:
I happen to know one of her ex-partners - we spoke at length a few years ago about "surviving abusive relationships", and had a lot in common with our experiences. Men are rarely seen as the victims in DV situations, but both of us knew that if we had even raised our hands in defence, it would be the end for both of us. After speaking to him over the weekend, it came as a shock, but no surprise.
The CPS seem confident they had enough to prosecute without a victim statement, and it wouldn't surprise me if a number of potential witnesses had been approached. He has alluded to the truth in some older social media posts but that may become more apparent in due course - but he is already being staked out by the paps.
It takes a lot of time to rebuild trust in human nature after something like that happens. There's a few people on PH who know what I went through at the time, none of them could believe it, none of them even considered it could be an issue.
How many times have we all questioned why a woman stays with an abusive man? So why should it be any different for a man staying with an abusive woman?
The media are coming under fire for reporting on her whilst she clearly had issues, but then the wider public are still buying the gossip magazines, and clicking on the web articles in their droves - the media are simply catering to a demand. If the wider public think this is wrong, then it is up to them to stop the demand for this sort of "news". The DM website yesterday had 19 separate articles on her alone. And each one had thousands of comments and clearly viewer engagement was high. While that engagement continues, the cycle will not stop.
It's tragic that anyone considers suicide as their only option, but it seems there was a lot more going on in her life than just presenting a few vacuous TV shows and ligging at glamorous red carpet events.
Social media is such a hostile, toxic, venomous and soul destroying place - and to a degree I even include PH in that sweeping statement.
Unrealistic expectations of happiness and success are being based on the false representation of happiness and success by others.
Good post. Thank you.The CPS seem confident they had enough to prosecute without a victim statement, and it wouldn't surprise me if a number of potential witnesses had been approached. He has alluded to the truth in some older social media posts but that may become more apparent in due course - but he is already being staked out by the paps.
It takes a lot of time to rebuild trust in human nature after something like that happens. There's a few people on PH who know what I went through at the time, none of them could believe it, none of them even considered it could be an issue.
How many times have we all questioned why a woman stays with an abusive man? So why should it be any different for a man staying with an abusive woman?
The media are coming under fire for reporting on her whilst she clearly had issues, but then the wider public are still buying the gossip magazines, and clicking on the web articles in their droves - the media are simply catering to a demand. If the wider public think this is wrong, then it is up to them to stop the demand for this sort of "news". The DM website yesterday had 19 separate articles on her alone. And each one had thousands of comments and clearly viewer engagement was high. While that engagement continues, the cycle will not stop.
It's tragic that anyone considers suicide as their only option, but it seems there was a lot more going on in her life than just presenting a few vacuous TV shows and ligging at glamorous red carpet events.
Social media is such a hostile, toxic, venomous and soul destroying place - and to a degree I even include PH in that sweeping statement.
Unrealistic expectations of happiness and success are being based on the false representation of happiness and success by others.
S11Steve said:
I happen to know one of her ex-partners - we spoke at length a few years ago about "surviving abusive relationships", and had a lot in common with our experiences. Men are rarely seen as the victims in DV situations, but both of us knew that if we had even raised our hands in defence, it would be the end for both of us. After speaking to him over the weekend, it came as a shock, but no surprise.
The CPS seem confident they had enough to prosecute without a victim statement, and it wouldn't surprise me if a number of potential witnesses had been approached. He has alluded to the truth in some older social media posts but that may become more apparent in due course - but he is already being staked out by the paps.
It takes a lot of time to rebuild trust in human nature after something like that happens. There's a few people on PH who know what I went through at the time, none of them could believe it, none of them even considered it could be an issue.
How many times have we all questioned why a woman stays with an abusive man? So why should it be any different for a man staying with an abusive woman?
The media are coming under fire for reporting on her whilst she clearly had issues, but then the wider public are still buying the gossip magazines, and clicking on the web articles in their droves - the media are simply catering to a demand. If the wider public think this is wrong, then it is up to them to stop the demand for this sort of "news". The DM website yesterday had 19 separate articles on her alone. And each one had thousands of comments and clearly viewer engagement was high. While that engagement continues, the cycle will not stop.
It's tragic that anyone considers suicide as their only option, but it seems there was a lot more going on in her life than just presenting a few vacuous TV shows and ligging at glamorous red carpet events.
Social media is such a hostile, toxic, venomous and soul destroying place - and to a degree I even include PH in that sweeping statement.
Unrealistic expectations of happiness and success are being based on the false representation of happiness and success by others.
When employing presenters these days, you do get the feeling that TV companies are actively seeking people with a large following on Social Media, rather than any special ability to do the job well.The CPS seem confident they had enough to prosecute without a victim statement, and it wouldn't surprise me if a number of potential witnesses had been approached. He has alluded to the truth in some older social media posts but that may become more apparent in due course - but he is already being staked out by the paps.
It takes a lot of time to rebuild trust in human nature after something like that happens. There's a few people on PH who know what I went through at the time, none of them could believe it, none of them even considered it could be an issue.
How many times have we all questioned why a woman stays with an abusive man? So why should it be any different for a man staying with an abusive woman?
The media are coming under fire for reporting on her whilst she clearly had issues, but then the wider public are still buying the gossip magazines, and clicking on the web articles in their droves - the media are simply catering to a demand. If the wider public think this is wrong, then it is up to them to stop the demand for this sort of "news". The DM website yesterday had 19 separate articles on her alone. And each one had thousands of comments and clearly viewer engagement was high. While that engagement continues, the cycle will not stop.
It's tragic that anyone considers suicide as their only option, but it seems there was a lot more going on in her life than just presenting a few vacuous TV shows and ligging at glamorous red carpet events.
Social media is such a hostile, toxic, venomous and soul destroying place - and to a degree I even include PH in that sweeping statement.
Unrealistic expectations of happiness and success are being based on the false representation of happiness and success by others.
It is a very sad state of affairs.
I keep on reading Facebook posts comparing her being 'dropped' by ITV, to their support of Ant McPartlin, despite her stepping down, and another more tenuously making the comparison to Geoffrey Boycott who was convicted for domestic violence, pseudointellectually making the distinction that she was not charged for the crime while he was.
Naive on various levels but I expect nothing less from the sort of people who watch these programmes.
Naive on various levels but I expect nothing less from the sort of people who watch these programmes.
dukeboy749r said:
TPSA7514 said:
PurpleTurtle said:
Very much in agreement here.
It's tragic that she's killed herself, but I take one look at her Instagram account and all it screams is "LOOK AT MY AMAZINGLY GLAMOROUS LIFE!"
In every photo she is on a red carpet, at some premiere, on an amazing holiday, doing the "you've-caught me-laughing-as-if -this-is-au-naturel-but-in-reality-we-took-twenty-versions-of-it-to-get-my-best-angle".
It's all so FAKE. She was front woman of a programme that exists purely to make shallow, vacuous people famous. It promotes the cult of celebrity - young girls wanting to be 'a celebrity' as a career ambition, which has become a thing since the whole advent of 'reality' TV. It totally boils my piss. We live in a society where young people - girls especially - are suffering all sorts of mental health challenges, anxiety, eating disorders, all driven by this idea of what is acceptable, all driven by social media, with people like Caroline Flack front and centre of it. Did she really care about the place she was playing in that whole stupid game? I don't think she did.
I've seen all manner of hand-wringers on my Facebook posting if you can be anything in this world, be kind memes attributed to Ms Flack, which is all a very nice sentiment and all that, but I'm also sat there going "whoa .... how about not basing your entire existence on something so false, and smacking your sleeping boyfriend round the head with a lamp so much that he's had to all the Police allegedly in fear of his life.
Lots of shouts of 'her management/ITV should have protected her'. Really? She was a grown woman of 40 years of age, how about she showed some personal responsibility.
Did she smack the boyfriend about? Seems certain.
Should she have been prosecuted? Yes.
Would it have been the end of the world if found guilty? No.
People do far, far worse things in their lives and get on with them. She would have lost the Love Island gig as obviously a convicted perp of DV as a host isn't great for advertisers, but so what? She could have styled it out. Lay low for a while, reinvent yourself, as many badly-behaved celebrities have done in the past.
Everyone jumping on the bandwagon of bashing the media for hounding her over this really needs to remember that she was a keen and active player in the whole charade.
For balance: I lived with a girlfriend with mental health issues like this for 3 years. Despite her privileged upbringing and outwardly 'nice' life she was constantly jealous of other people, thinking everyone's life was better. It is unremittingly tiring to put up with. I stood by her through a lot of trying times, but the day she jogged on out of my life was a relief for my mental health. I've heard all the BS round this before and bored of it. If you feel the need to go through a boyfirend's phone whilst he is sleeping then he's probably not the bloke for you. Binbag him and find someone else, don't assault him so that you end up in court. Simple, eh?
Almost exactly how I feel about it It's tragic that she's killed herself, but I take one look at her Instagram account and all it screams is "LOOK AT MY AMAZINGLY GLAMOROUS LIFE!"
In every photo she is on a red carpet, at some premiere, on an amazing holiday, doing the "you've-caught me-laughing-as-if -this-is-au-naturel-but-in-reality-we-took-twenty-versions-of-it-to-get-my-best-angle".
It's all so FAKE. She was front woman of a programme that exists purely to make shallow, vacuous people famous. It promotes the cult of celebrity - young girls wanting to be 'a celebrity' as a career ambition, which has become a thing since the whole advent of 'reality' TV. It totally boils my piss. We live in a society where young people - girls especially - are suffering all sorts of mental health challenges, anxiety, eating disorders, all driven by this idea of what is acceptable, all driven by social media, with people like Caroline Flack front and centre of it. Did she really care about the place she was playing in that whole stupid game? I don't think she did.
I've seen all manner of hand-wringers on my Facebook posting if you can be anything in this world, be kind memes attributed to Ms Flack, which is all a very nice sentiment and all that, but I'm also sat there going "whoa .... how about not basing your entire existence on something so false, and smacking your sleeping boyfriend round the head with a lamp so much that he's had to all the Police allegedly in fear of his life.
Lots of shouts of 'her management/ITV should have protected her'. Really? She was a grown woman of 40 years of age, how about she showed some personal responsibility.
Did she smack the boyfriend about? Seems certain.
Should she have been prosecuted? Yes.
Would it have been the end of the world if found guilty? No.
People do far, far worse things in their lives and get on with them. She would have lost the Love Island gig as obviously a convicted perp of DV as a host isn't great for advertisers, but so what? She could have styled it out. Lay low for a while, reinvent yourself, as many badly-behaved celebrities have done in the past.
Everyone jumping on the bandwagon of bashing the media for hounding her over this really needs to remember that she was a keen and active player in the whole charade.
For balance: I lived with a girlfriend with mental health issues like this for 3 years. Despite her privileged upbringing and outwardly 'nice' life she was constantly jealous of other people, thinking everyone's life was better. It is unremittingly tiring to put up with. I stood by her through a lot of trying times, but the day she jogged on out of my life was a relief for my mental health. I've heard all the BS round this before and bored of it. If you feel the need to go through a boyfirend's phone whilst he is sleeping then he's probably not the bloke for you. Binbag him and find someone else, don't assault him so that you end up in court. Simple, eh?
The follow up 'be kind' brigade are also fake imho because what they're actually saying is 'be gentle as I'm fragile'. In case it has passed the social media generation by, public social media is not a place for fragile, empty, weak personalities that survive on gratuitous, vacuous fake platitudes from other fragile vacuous personalities or indeed complete strangers.
Tragic as it is -if the CPS didn't prosecute they would have been criticized for giving a celeb special treatment -damned if they do , damned if they don't.
However , there are many many cases where women beaten by partners- and the partner has not been charged because the woman didn't want to press charges.I don't know if that was something from the past or whether it still happens ?
However , there are many many cases where women beaten by partners- and the partner has not been charged because the woman didn't want to press charges.I don't know if that was something from the past or whether it still happens ?
tali1 said:
Tragic as it is -if the CPS didn't prosecute they would have been criticized for giving a celeb special treatment -damned if they do , damned if they don't.
However , there are many many cases where women beaten by partners- and the partner has not been charged because the woman didn't want to press charges.I don't know if that was something from the past or whether it still happens ?
I think it was 2015 or 16 where the law changed to no longer need the victim to agree.However , there are many many cases where women beaten by partners- and the partner has not been charged because the woman didn't want to press charges.I don't know if that was something from the past or whether it still happens ?
WindyCommon said:
Jinx said:
Agreed. Sorry Twig - forums, whilst social, are not social media. PH is real people behind fake names - social media is fake people behind real names.
This is a good observation.TwigtheWonderkid said:
WindyCommon said:
Jinx said:
Agreed. Sorry Twig - forums, whilst social, are not social media. PH is real people behind fake names - social media is fake people behind real names.
This is a good observation.Thankfully I have always taken the view that anything I write on the internet I would be happy to justify to my employer. We all say and do silly and ill advised things when young. But as adults we should all be responsible for what we say and do both in real life and online. That doesn't mean we all need to be drones, dullards and not get involved in debates and exchanges of views on the internet. But thinking you can say and do whatever you want just because you are behind a keyboard has always seemed an utterly bizarre way to lead your life imo.
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