Caroline Flack
Discussion
Scootersp said:
It's hard to understand, if she had a physical ailment she'd have probably got it sorted out privately asap, but when she knew she was having some mental issues she didn't reach out to a professional? It seems like she's left it too long then the perfect storm of being a bit unhinged, doing the wrong thing, arrest, communication cut off with partner, valentines day.......
If you work in certain industries, if anyone finds out that you *might* have a mental problem, never mind actually having a confirmed case, you can find yourself without work. If word gets around inside the small circles some professions have, that might be a permanent problem.Thats fine if you are well educated and can switch into other profession, if you can't the primary objective then becomes hiding those problems. The further up the ladder you go, the bigger the problems can get and the bigger the lies you have to tell to the outside world.
Exige77 said:
If you contrast this situation with Dec, he owned up to having a problem, he said he was going to be out of the spotlight and get some treatment. He came back when issue was sorted. He faced up to the problem and overcame it.
It was Ant 
but regardlessHe only owned up and got help after he crashed into someone pissed and it was forced to come out and be addresses, similar to Ms Flack it would seem
Its starting to look like the agents and TV companies are complicit, someone has a problem that they know about, bury it, cannot stop the money train, they only get dealt with when it hits the public and cannot be avoided anymore
Digga said:
Exige77 said:
REALIST123 said:
Cold said:
I've read her statement a couple of times now. Along with the signs of distress there's quite a lot of narcissism and denial coming through those words too.
Chronic narcissism and denial are strong threads in the lives of many so called celebrities. Maybe if they were a little more realistic about their true situations and value to society instead of believing the sycophants who place them on pedestals, they wouldn’t find it so hard to deal with when the truth dawns.
All very sad for all involved but it was very much of her own making.
Ms Flack clearly (if previous reports are correct) has issues around relationships, self worth and low self esteem. Add regular use of Cocaine and it isn't surprising that she found herself in some pretty dark places. Posting everything about ones life online and inviting comment means taking the good with the bad. Unfortunately, there are lots of fragile egos out there.
Sheepshanks said:
Exige77 said:
It’s partly about being in denial and thinking the world revolves around them.
In the world in which these people exist, it does revolve around them. I suppose the issue is what happens when it stops? They've suddenly got (in their eyes) nothing.I guess it’s a reflection of many in societies aspiration to be a celebrity.
If it all goes t!ts up, they might have to do an actual job.
I can understand that can be difficult for many.
One of the problems with depression is that it pulls the world view of people affected by it down to the width of a squashed drinking straw.
People in this position, such as the unfortunate Caroline Flack, living in the focus of a media bubble might see the onset of a pimple, as a major life changing disaster, because `their' world view has been closed down by depression.
In her condition I wonder if she even considered how devastating her action would be on her family and friends, who would be the ones who would have to live with the consequences?
People in this position, such as the unfortunate Caroline Flack, living in the focus of a media bubble might see the onset of a pimple, as a major life changing disaster, because `their' world view has been closed down by depression.
In her condition I wonder if she even considered how devastating her action would be on her family and friends, who would be the ones who would have to live with the consequences?
Carl_Manchester said:
If you work in certain industries, if anyone finds out that you *might* have a mental problem, never mind actually having a confirmed case, you can find yourself without work. If word gets around inside the small circles some professions have, that might be a permanent problem.
Thats fine if you are well educated and can switch into other profession, if you can't the primary objective then becomes hiding those problems. The further up the ladder you go, the bigger the problems can get and the bigger the lies you have to tell to the outside world.
Ant from Ant and Dec seems to have done ok?.........or were his recent issues more physical addiction (always a hint of mental health in these though isn't there?)Thats fine if you are well educated and can switch into other profession, if you can't the primary objective then becomes hiding those problems. The further up the ladder you go, the bigger the problems can get and the bigger the lies you have to tell to the outside world.
I'm not saying what you say isn't true, although if it is, then in this case it would be coming from many of those also currently outpouring sympathy, or calling or better treatment of people with mental health issues which would be a massive hypocrisy if true?
Trax said:
So, she allegedly attacked her boyfriend, ok, so gets the sack.
Why, after the boyfriend refuses to press charges and wants to move on and still be her boyfriend, did the police/courts/cps whichever one, decide to take her to court, as well as obtaining a court order so she couldn’t see her boyfriend, against their wishes?
Seems strange, when you hear of so many domestic abuse cases where the police say they can’t do anything, as the partner does not agree to press charges..... when in this case, they seemed to have been very interested.
I'm not sure I understand what you want here. Do you want all cases to be taken forward without the victim's support or none? Do you believe this one was special somehow and should not have been pursued? Are you merely repeating anecdata here: "when you hear of so many domestic abuse cases where the police say they can’t do anything, as the partner does not agree to press charges"? Have you checked any data of the opposite happening? Why, after the boyfriend refuses to press charges and wants to move on and still be her boyfriend, did the police/courts/cps whichever one, decide to take her to court, as well as obtaining a court order so she couldn’t see her boyfriend, against their wishes?
Seems strange, when you hear of so many domestic abuse cases where the police say they can’t do anything, as the partner does not agree to press charges..... when in this case, they seemed to have been very interested.
Reporting of the first hearing about the incident contains this:
"[prosecution brief] Ms Weiss told the court: "In the 999 call the complainant said quite clearly that his girlfriend was beating him up. He asked repeatedly for help. He was almost begging the operator to send help.
"He said: 'She is going mad, breaking stuff. I've just woken up. She's cracked my head open.'
"The defendant is calling him an a***hole saying 'It's all your fault, you've ruined my life', calling him an a***hole repeatedly.' He said 'you've cracked my head open'. He told the operator 'she tried to kill me mate'.""
We don't "press charges" in the UK, by the way. That's a yank expression.
I hate to presume, but Burton would have been interviewed close to the time of the incident and asked to make a statement and sign it. The CPS have then apparently decided to take the case forward on that basis.
Pan Pan Pan said:
In her condition I wonder if she even considered how devastating her action would be on her family and friends, who would be the ones who would have to live with the consequences?
Often, they actually rationalise it that the family and friends would be better off without them. Rational/logical thought is not high up the agenda.If you have mental health issues and problems with low esteem, why would you choose to ‘lay bare’ your life on social media? Everyone knows it is rife with half-wits making idiotic comments under the cloak of anonymity. I’m not surprised she was advised not to post the statement, some of the responses it would have provoked would not have helped her one bit. If you are that fragile, keep away from it FFS.
darren f said:
If you have mental health issues and problems with low esteem, why would you choose to ‘lay bare’ your life on social media? Everyone knows it is rife with half-wits making idiotic comments under the cloak of anonymity. I’m not surprised she was advised not to post the statement, some of the responses it would have provoked would not have helped her one bit. If you are that fragile, keep away from it FFS.
It's an addiction. Getting likes and positive feedback is addictive - especially to those with low self-esteem.loskie said:
The whole MO of love island is pretty depraved and sordid.
I sound quite prudish from that. I'm not I can assure you but look at the programme, game? whatever you class it as. It boils down to televised prostitution
and yet Flack was celebrated as if she was doing something important. She wasn't.I sound quite prudish from that. I'm not I can assure you but look at the programme, game? whatever you class it as. It boils down to televised prostitution
It's all trash, the whole cult of celebrity.
It appears to attract more than a few potentially vulnerable people who get swept along, believing their own, and the tabloids' hype. The big problem is that once on the rollercoaster ride, it's not really possible to get off until it's over, however that happens.
It seems nobody has learned that lesson since 31/08/1997.
Twitter and the rest has just made it easier to get swept along and more instant and accessible to see the vile opinions about one that some people can now express with no comeback. The tabloids have not really changed in the filth and lies they peddle, there's just even more fertile ground for it in a celebrity-obsessed culture.
Jinx said:
It's an addiction. Getting likes and positive feedback is addictive - especially to those with low self-esteem.
That's one of the reasons I like this forum.There's no 'likey likey turn on your lighty'. You're not compelled to take interest in anyone because they are getting all the 'like this' clicks.
I often take note of membership time on this forum, but that's only because it gives me a clue to their age.
JustALooseScrew said:
hat's one of the reasons I like this forum.
There's no 'likey likey turn on your lighty'. You're not compelled to take interest in anyone because they are getting all the 'like this' clicks.
I often take note of membership time on this forum, but that's only because it gives me a clue to their age.
True. Most forums nowadays have some sort of upvote/downvote system. There's no 'likey likey turn on your lighty'. You're not compelled to take interest in anyone because they are getting all the 'like this' clicks.
I often take note of membership time on this forum, but that's only because it gives me a clue to their age.
Hope PH keeps it as it is.
Cold said:
I've read her statement a couple of times now. Along with the signs of distress there's quite a lot of narcissism and denial coming through those words too.
It’s not easy to explain this without writing an essay, but I’ll have a go; this is because you are reading those words knowing only what it is like to be you and guided by your own experiences. Her “reality”* was likely to have been different.
- the way she thought
markyb_lcy said:
Pothole said:
It should have been at least ABH, poss GBH depending on the extent of the head injury
I prefer to let the police and CPS decide on that stuff, rather than someone on PH who wasn't there on the scene.Pothole said:
Hilarious, when your original post was what you believe the charge to have been. NB what she was arrested for doesn't need to match the charge exactly. (or how the crime is recorded for the Home Office)
Yes, what I believe (from the news reports) the charge to have been, as decided by the police and therefore what she stood in court accused of.The original post to which you refer, was me correcting someone who implied she should be up for attempted murder.
What, exactly is hilarious about that?
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